Migrants crossing from Europe (39 Viewers)

[Grendel]

Some truth in what you say but your consistent rhetoric regarding posting 'the government' in every post just like PVA and Ian is like a broken record and invalidates and detracts away from many of your points. We understand where each of you sit politically but it is possible to have a conversation on a given subject without mentioning it. 'New Labour' had plenty of opportunity and implemented nothing and it seems your boy Keir has no plans to change it as you would like. Will we see the same backlash from you or is that Boris' fault too?

I wish I knew where he sat politically - I think he’s voted green Tory supported the coalition and UKIP

 

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[Grendel]

In my opinion it should be enshrined in international law that any sovereign nation taking part in military action within another sovereign nation's borders should be responsible for the people this displaces.

They should be made to either provide safe habitable living conditions within that nation through proper reconstruction, not just refugee camps but proper towns and cities with full infrastructure, or they should set up refugee processing centres within the country and neighbouring countries in order to process and transport the effected people.

As for shrugging off the deaths of children and vulnerable people. Get psychological help.

So if China decide to align with North Korea and attack South Korea the western alliance would have to provide assistance to house the fallout? It’s an odd train of thought

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

So if China decide to align with North Korea and attack South Korea the western alliance would have to provide assistance to house the fallout? It’s an odd train of thought

Yeah fuck it worldwide problems shouldn’t have a worldwide solution! Humans are so selfish

 

[Grendel]

You are absolutely right about Labours plan - it’s no better than the current government one. And you could roll this back through successive Labour and Tory governments… all failed to address and deal with the real issue of their foreign policy being crap. If we are going to be involved in wars overseas, then we have to accept it creates displaced people which we should have responsibility for.
I sometimes think about things like drug laws as something comparable… if drugs were legalised then it would reduce the illegal drug trade (not eliminate it totally) because there would be appropriate regulations and control. If the refugee/asylum process was clearer, easier and more transparent then that could contribute to reducing the illegal trafficking.

So when going to war with Nazi Germany one of the considerations should in law be that we had to deal with displaced people?

 

[Grendel]

Yeah fuck it worldwide problems shouldn’t have a worldwide solution! Humans are so selfish

well one things for certain China and Russia would laugh and say bring it on as they would just ignore such a stupid suggestion

 

[Liquid Gold]

So if China decide to align with North Korea and attack South Korea the western alliance would have to provide assistance to house the fallout? It’s an odd train of thought

If the western alliance get involved in this mad hypothetical WW3 then yes they should have to help displaced people.

In reality though we just have a number of proxy wars taking places in states destabilised due to our own foreign policy which we should take responsibility to the fallout from.

 

[AVWskyblue]

The people who arranged the transport need jailing for life

Now this is a fact

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[Grendel]

If the western alliance get involved in this mad hypothetical WW3 then yes they should have to help displaced people.

In reality though we just have a number of proxy wars taking places in states destabilised due to our own foreign policy which we should take responsibility to the fallout from.

So the west just takes all responsibility while the despots of China Russia etc just carry on with zero consequences

 

[SBT]

Not that I agree with this particular hypothetical, but saying "Russia and China won't do it so let's not bother" isn't exactly the kind of 'Global Britain' leadership that this government is supposedly so keen on.

 

[Liquid Gold]

So the west just takes all responsibility while the despots of China Russia etc just carry on with zero consequences

Well as it would be international law then China and Russia would be bound by it too. Them actually following through would be another thing. We should be aiming to be better than simple despots anyway.

 

[Grendel]

Back to the original point one group of people who really don’t care if women and children die in the channel is the French Authorities. Looking tough is a lot more important for Mr Macron

 

[Liquid Gold]

Macron is a prick. Imagine being French and having to chose between him and Le Pen. Sickening.

 

[skybluetony176]

So when going to war with Nazi Germany one of the considerations should in law be that we had to deal with displaced people?

Didn’t need to be law in those days. We used to have this old fashioned trait called decency back then.

 

[skybluetony176]

So the west just takes all responsibility while the despots of China Russia etc just carry on with zero consequences

Aren’t we supposed to be better than them?

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

Aren’t we supposed to be better than them?

At what ? Football ?

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

It might be their decision, but the insinuation that they therefore had their deaths coming to them is crass at best, and gives the impression he's an utterly heartless c**t. It also shows no empathy whatsoever about what might motivate people to make such a journey in the first place. It's easy for him to sit in his ivory bedsit and pass judgement, really.

He might think they're coming here over France purely motivated on economic grounds . Does that make him a heartless c**t ? Certainly not.
Whether he lives in a bedsit, or a 6 bed mansion is irrelevant.

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

So when going to war with Nazi Germany one of the considerations should in law be that we had to deal with displaced people?

Can you imagine the absolute outrage in today's woke world where we actually rounded up Germans who happened to be living in Britain whilst Hitler planned to invade , all because they might be a threat to the nation?

 

[Warthog]

Sickening. I guess France is just that bad a place to live. Hopefully few women and children were on board.

 

[COV]

He might think they're coming here over France purely motivated on economic grounds . Does that make him a heartless c**t ? Certainly not.
Whether he lives in a bedsit, or a 6 bed mansion is irrelevant.

So if he thinks they came over for economic reasons somehow it’s understandable to say he has no sympathy for children drowning. Classy.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

He might think they're coming here over France purely motivated on economic grounds . Does that make him a heartless c**t ? Certainly not.

Hmm, I guess then somebody had it coming for taking a job promotion then...

 

[Grendel]

So if he thinks they came over for economic reasons somehow it’s understandable to say he has no sympathy for children drowning. Classy.

Mr macron couldn’t give a fuck how many children drown could he?

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

So if he thinks they came over for economic reasons somehow it’s understandable to say he has no sympathy for children drowning. Classy.

You'd have to ask him. However , to call someone a c**t because they think that migrants are leaving the safety of France for the UK for reasons given is ridiculous.

Marlon King was a c**t , wouldn't you agree ?

 

[COV]

Mr macron couldn’t give a fuck how many children drown could he?

Let’s run with this and assume that he’s actually celebrating.

Does that make Marty’s comments ok?

 

[Grendel]

Let’s run with this and assume that he’s actually celebrating.

Does that make Marty’s comments ok?

Well Marty isn’t a political leader

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

Let’s run with this and assume that he’s actually celebrating.

Does that make Marty’s comments ok?

Marty wasn't celebrating. Neither am I but this tragedy came as no surprise at all. Inevitable. The French have turned a blind eye at this from the start. They know what's going on. Couldn't care less. They have blood on their hands.

 

[skybluetony176]

Being reported that most were from ex British colony and British arms customer Somalia, ex British colony and British arms customer Iraq and to cap it of an ex Afghanistan soldier and family who worked for the British but was left behind when Afghanistan fell back into Taliban hands as some c**t was too lazy to get of his sun bed and do his job while waiting for the sea to open.

 

[COV]

Well Marty isn’t a political leader

So no, exactly.

 

[COV]

Marty wasn't celebrating. Neither am I but this tragedy came as no surprise at all. Inevitable. The French have turned a blind eye at this from the start. They know what's going on. Couldn't care less. They have blood on their hands.

You can waffle & deflect all on you want, someone coolly announcing they have no sympathy for kids drowning, and saying they brought it on themselves- pretty warped.

 

[clint van damme]

You can waffle & deflect all on you want, someone coolly announcing they have no sympathy for kids drowning, and saying they brought it on themselves- pretty warped.

The 'all lives matter' brigade are certainly sending out some mixed messaging.

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

You can waffle & deflect all on you want, someone coolly announcing they have no sympathy for kids drowning, and saying they brought it on themselves- pretty warped.

It's good to see you quoting directly . He clearly said he had no sympathy for kids drowning didn't he ? No ? We both know he meant he had no sympathy in general for the migrants. You're simply using the death of the children as a means to whip up some hysteria. Nice move.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

We both know he meant he had no sympathy in general for the migrants.

For the migrants who died, yes you're right.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

I think arguing about who cares the most or the least about the deaths is just aside from the real point.

It is absolutely tragic that this has happened, but as someone said above, there has been an inevitability about it.

The government need to put the lid back on the jam jar, and I blame them generally for making the UK such a walkover when it comes to giving stuff away. Ok, some might have family here, did they also cross the channel originally? How many are kids? Most I see are adult men, and on this occasion that seemed to generally be the case. Equally, the ´they are fleeing war torn countries´ only really goes so far. It is that kind of open border nonsense which fuels the right wing attitude towards it all.

Something needs to be done in collaboration with the UK and the French to make genuine asylum claims easier to process, stop people illegally trying to get across, remove handouts, and ensure failed asylum cases are rejected properly and deported. Not free to stay another 7 years and blow up taxi´s outside hospitals. Maybe if that happened there would be more compassion towards genuine refugee´s too.

 

[COV]

It's good to see you quoting directly . He clearly said he had no sympathy for kids drowning didn't he ? No ? We both know he meant he had no sympathy in general for the migrants. You're simply using the death of the children as a means to whip up some hysteria. Nice move.

Yes he did say that. Hi and check if you like.

You are very reluctant to comment on it, to the point of denying he said it at all, when he did. Doesn’t say much for you.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I'm sure people will cross continents in absolute peril for £59.20 a week, yep.

 

[COV]

I think arguing about who cares the most or the least about the deaths is just aside from the real point.

It is absolutely tragic that this has happened, but as someone said above, there has been an inevitability about it.

The government need to put the lid back on the jam jar, and I blame them generally for making the UK such a walkover when it comes to giving stuff away. Ok, some might have family here, did they also cross the channel originally? How many are kids? Most I see are adult men, and on this occasion that seemed to generally be the case. Equally, the ´they are fleeing war torn countries´ only really goes so far. It is that kind of open border nonsense which fuels the right wing attitude towards it all.

Something needs to be done in collaboration with the UK and the French to make genuine asylum claims easier to process, stop people illegally trying to get across, remove handouts, and ensure failed asylum cases are rejected properly and deported. Not free to stay another 7 years and blow up taxi´s outside hospitals. Maybe if that happened there would be more compassion towards genuine refugee´s too.

What do you mean ‘genuine’ asylum claims, as opposed to the people that try to cross the channel for a laugh?