Migrants crossing from Europe (12 Viewers)

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

Ironic that you start a post “grow up” and then fail to recognise that this is a world issue. This issue doesn’t start on the beaches of northern France. If you want a grown up conversation about it you need to start at the point of departure, what the situation is there and what’s the west’s involvement in it. More specifically what’s our involvement in it. Many of these people are fleeing regimes we arm and then carry out atrocities with.

How far back are you prepared to go ? World War 1 ?

 

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[skybluetony176]

How far back are you prepared to go ? World War 1 ?

The last 10 years compromises us enough. Made the point earlier in the thread. Reports suggest that those that died were Somalian (a regime we’ve been arming and training since a UN embargo was lifted), Iraqi and Afghanistan (I would hope I don’t need to explain them 2). We’re the 6th biggest arms dealer in the world and we’re not that fussy who we sell too. We send guns in one direction and then act surprised when it sends refugees back.

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

The last 10 years compromises us enough. Made the point earlier in the thread. Reports suggest that those that died were Somalian (a regime we’ve been arming and training since a UN embargo was lifted), Iraqi and Afghanistan (I would hope I don’t need to explain them 2). We’re the 6th biggest arms dealer in the world and we’re not that fussy who we sell too. We send guns in one direction and then act surprised when it sends refugees back.

Just 10 years ? Very selective.

 

[skybluetony176]

Just 10 years ? Very selective.

 

[Grendel]

Just 10 years ? Very selective.

France are far higher

 

[skybluetony176]

France are far higher

France also take in more refugees.

 

[PVA]

France are far higher

Not according to the government they aren't.

UK defence and security export statistics: 2020

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

France also take in more refugees.

So you base everything on what the French do.

 

[skybluetony176]

Not according to the government they aren't.

UK defence and security export statistics: 2020

We’re also ignoring our own restrictions and embargo’s to supply countries. 58 countries out of 73 to be exact. Countries guilty of human rights violations.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/26/uk-sells-arms-to-nearly-80-of-countries-under-restrictions-shows-report

 

[skybluetony176]

So you base everything on what the French do.

You talking to me or the person who brought them up in the first place?

 

[Grendel]

So you base everything on what the French do.

Russia are high up

 

[PVA]

BuT wHy Do ThEy CoMe To ThE uK?

 

[Sick Boy]

BuT wHy Do ThEy CoMe To ThE uK?

It’s a disgrace that they feel that they have to risk their lives just to be with their loved ones.

 

[PVA]

It’s a disgrace that they feel that they have to risk their lives just to be with their loved ones.

It's utterly tragic isn't it. You can't even imagine what life must be like to put you in that situation.

 

[jimmyhillsfanclub]

BuT wHy Do ThEy CoMe To ThE uK?

Whilst it is tragic and the whole situation needs simplifying and sorting....its difficult to ignore the 1st few replies on this specific case....

...he already had British citizenship and she was already in France....so surely just don't get in a fucking dinghy.

 

[Sick Boy]

Whilst it is tragic and the whole situation needs simplifying and sorting....its difficult to ignore the 1st few replies on this specific case....

...he already had British citizenship and she was already in France....so surely just don't get in a fucking dinghy.

It’s almost like the UK isn’t actually a soft touch.

 

[PVA]

Whilst it is tragic and the whole situation needs simplifying and sorting....its difficult to ignore the 1st few replies on this specific case....

...he already had British citizenship and she was already in France....so surely just don't get in a fucking dinghy.

Oh yeah, can't believe she didn't think of that!

 

[jimmyhillsfanclub]

It’s almost like the UK isn’t actually a soft touch.

Indeed...but a mad decision on her behalf IMHO

 

[Sick Boy]

Indeed...but a mad decision on her behalf IMHO

What else was she supposed to do, continue living rough in Calais? Having British citizenship doesn’t mean you can automatically bring your spouse into the country.

 

[skybluetony176]

Whilst it is tragic and the whole situation needs simplifying and sorting....its difficult to ignore the 1st few replies on this specific case....

...he already had British citizenship and she was already in France....so surely just don't get in a fucking dinghy.

How else was she going to get here?

 

[skybluetony176]

Am I right in thinking that Kurdistan is a region rather than a country so although the link says she was from Kurdistan she could actually be from Iran.

 

[Deleted member 9744]

Am I right in thinking that Kurdistan is a region rather than a country so although the link says she was from Kurdistan she could actually be from Iran.

Iraq/Turkey

 

[skybluetony176]

Iraq/Turkey

Was just looking and you’re right but also Western Iran and a little bit of Syria too. Kurds are also persecuted in pretty much all 4 countries. Iran and Turkey especially. Fact is she might not have even had the option of travelling documented in which case this would have been her only option to reunite with her other half.

 

[Deleted member 9744]

Was just looking and you’re right but also Western Iran and a little bit of Syria too. Kurds are also persecuted in pretty much all 4 countries. Iran and Turkey especially. Fact is she might not have even had the option of travelling documented in which case this would have been her only option to reunite with her other half.

Indeed. They have been subject to considerable persecution, not least by Saddam Hussein. And of course they don't have their own country.

 

[oscillatewildly]

He has in the past scolded the public for calling him by his name and not ‘Monsieur President’. No fan at all but we have to work with him like him or not.

That guy who slapped him a few months back should have been jailed - For not slapping him hard enough.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

That guy who slapped him a few months back should have been jailed - For not slapping him hard enough.

 

[Harry Krishner]

I have massive sympathy for the Kurds, but I think this abbreviated comment from another website sums the situation up well:

"3 to 7 billion population growth in 50 years, most of it in the 3rd world thanks to modern development, medicine and money. Capable of swamping our little island, and our continent, at a stroke. I am honestly past caring about any of them. I care about my people and my country more. Our ancestors fought for centuries and went through hell to give us the society we have, the migrants should do the same. The fact they choose not to and prefer to maintain their despicable regressive, religious, tribal cultures tells me a lot about their mentality. They collectively bring nothing good to the West, just more cultural strife, overcrowding and cost and we don’t owe them anything. I’m sick of it.

The concept of asylum has gone way beyond its original purpose; temporary shelter in a safe neighbouring country when your country is at war. If asylum were a more clearly and narrowly defined temporary arrangement, no citizenship available, no chain migration, with quick, unchallengeable deportation, then I would accept it more. But it has become a pick and mix free for all, with permanence, available to anyone who ‘wants a better life’. Once you’re in you’re in. Even if you rape or murder someone the lawyers will help you stay. It’s so wrong it makes me furious."

 

[PVA]

Jesus Christ. Where do you start with that at best xenophobic and at worst racist drivel.

What 'other website' is it from?

 

[clint van damme]

I have massive sympathy for the Kurds, but I think this abbreviated comment from another website sums the situation up well:

"3 to 7 billion population growth in 50 years, most of it in the 3rd world thanks to modern development, medicine and money. Capable of swamping our little island, and our continent, at a stroke. I am honestly past caring about any of them. I care about my people and my country more. Our ancestors fought for centuries and went through hell to give us the society we have, the migrants should do the same. The fact they choose not to and prefer to maintain their despicable regressive, religious, tribal cultures tells me a lot about their mentality. They collectively bring nothing good to the West, just more cultural strife, overcrowding and cost and we don’t owe them anything. I’m sick of it.

The concept of asylum has gone way beyond its original purpose; temporary shelter in a safe neighbouring country when your country is at war. If asylum were a more clearly and narrowly defined temporary arrangement, no citizenship available, no chain migration, with quick, unchallengeable deportation, then I would accept it more. But it has become a pick and mix free for all, with permanence, available to anyone who ‘wants a better life’. Once you’re in you’re in. Even if you rape or murder someone the lawyers will help you stay. It’s so wrong it makes me furious."

Why did the Mullahs take over Iran?
Who installed Saddam in Iraq?
Who armed the Mujahadeen and Bin Laden?
Who armed Al Qaedda and their affiliates in Syria?

To suggest people in these countries can fight to build their own societies while they are used as the venues for proxy wars is frankly nonsense.

 

[Ian1779]

I have massive sympathy for the Kurds, but I think this abbreviated comment from another website sums the situation up well:

"3 to 7 billion population growth in 50 years, most of it in the 3rd world thanks to modern development, medicine and money. Capable of swamping our little island, and our continent, at a stroke. I am honestly past caring about any of them. I care about my people and my country more. Our ancestors fought for centuries and went through hell to give us the society we have, the migrants should do the same. The fact they choose not to and prefer to maintain their despicable regressive, religious, tribal cultures tells me a lot about their mentality. They collectively bring nothing good to the West, just more cultural strife, overcrowding and cost and we don’t owe them anything. I’m sick of it.

The concept of asylum has gone way beyond its original purpose; temporary shelter in a safe neighbouring country when your country is at war. If asylum were a more clearly and narrowly defined temporary arrangement, no citizenship available, no chain migration, with quick, unchallengeable deportation, then I would accept it more. But it has become a pick and mix free for all, with permanence, available to anyone who ‘wants a better life’. Once you’re in you’re in. Even if you rape or murder someone the lawyers will help you stay. It’s so wrong it makes me furious."

Fuck me that’s some absolute bollocks. Was the other website www.angrygammon.co.uk?

 

[Sick Boy]

It’s interesting the bigoted quote advocates copying what the west has done over the centuries, yet then has issues with them coming to live here…the hypocrisy and ignorance is off the scale.

 

[jimmyhillsfanclub]

How else was she going to get here?

Well, with the funding, planning and British fiancee that she had in place, I'm just shocked they thought that was the best option.
If my Mrs. Was in France with a legal visa for Italy still in hand, cash in the bank and me the other side of the channel, there is no way on earth I would have let/asked her to get in a dinghy.
Plenty of other options to be together come to mind....

Anyway....back to the bigger picture....the uk and French govts. need to stop acting like cunts and sort it out......

 

[Deleted member 9744]

I have massive sympathy for the Kurds, but I think this abbreviated comment from another website sums the situation up well:

"3 to 7 billion population growth in 50 years, most of it in the 3rd world thanks to modern development, medicine and money. Capable of swamping our little island, and our continent, at a stroke. I am honestly past caring about any of them. I care about my people and my country more. Our ancestors fought for centuries and went through hell to give us the society we have, the migrants should do the same. The fact they choose not to and prefer to maintain their despicable regressive, religious, tribal cultures tells me a lot about their mentality. They collectively bring nothing good to the West, just more cultural strife, overcrowding and cost and we don’t owe them anything. I’m sick of it.

The concept of asylum has gone way beyond its original purpose; temporary shelter in a safe neighbouring country when your country is at war. If asylum were a more clearly and narrowly defined temporary arrangement, no citizenship available, no chain migration, with quick, unchallengeable deportation, then I would accept it more. But it has become a pick and mix free for all, with permanence, available to anyone who ‘wants a better life’. Once you’re in you’re in. Even if you rape or murder someone the lawyers will help you stay. It’s so wrong it makes me furious."

Reading this vile stuff is so depressing

 

[Sick Boy]

Well, with the funding, planning and British fiancee that she had in place, I'm just shocked they thought that was the best option.
If my Mrs. Was in France with a legal visa for Italy still in hand, cash in the bank and me the other side of the channel, there is no way on earth I would have let/asked her to get in a dinghy.
Plenty of other options to be together come to mind....

Anyway....back to the bigger picture....the uk and French govts. need to stop acting like cunts and sort it out......

Do you know anyone on a low income/less than average who’s tried to bring a spouse into the UK?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Well, with the funding, planning and British fiancee that she had in place, I'm just shocked they thought that was the best option.
If my Mrs. Was in France with a legal visa for Italy still in hand, cash in the bank and me the other side of the channel, there is no way on earth I would have let/asked her to get in a dinghy.
Plenty of other options to be together come to mind....

Anyway....back to the bigger picture....the uk and French govts. need to stop acting like cunts and sort it out......

The main thing is you don't have the automatic right to settle with your partner, even if you're married. Always seemed slightly odd to me tbh.