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He's better than Thompson in my view but the obvious ones are Wilson and Maddison
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stupot07
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Craig Hignett, John Eustace, Nillson and McCallister still played in the championship. Chippo, Safri, davenport, Breen, Warnock, Sheffers in his prime, Scott Dann, gunnarsson, Marlon King, Henderson, don Hutchinson, Ben Turner, Jay Tabb, Van Aarnholt, Cork...
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stupot07
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Thompson was unplayable, which is why he got a big move back to Premier league so quickly.
I'm a big hamer fan BTW.
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TomRad85
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Oh yeh Thompson was ridiculous in the Championship. Good in the Premiership too, did very well in a good Blackburn side.
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stupot07
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He did, unfortunately injuries ruined his career.
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Nick
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So?
TomRad85
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Real shame, I actually forgot about it in previous convos on the subject but he is definitely very very close to being our best player since Premiership relegation.
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NortonSkyBlue
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Some of Hamer long ball passing is truly fantastic and some of his short passing is truly woeful. He is a liability as his penchant for an early booking takes away much of his effectiveness. He just doesn’t know when to stop. Best player since 2001? Not even close.
FulltimeWum
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Thanks Alanis.
stupot07
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Hignett was class before he broke his leg, our form bombed when he got injured. But in any fact, you've only disputed 2 of the 20 players I've listed I think we're better than Hamer, and I didnt even add Matty James, Wilson, Murphy and Armstrong, Joe Cole, Stern John Lee Carsley
And like I said earlier, i'm a big Hamer fan. But he's got a lot of improvement to do be our best player in the last 20 years.
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Hobo
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Re Dabo in back three. I would make a guess that this was to try and have a bit of pace there? But when he switched off for the first goal and couldnt be arsed to try and chace back; it makes the managers and coaches choice seem very wrong.
But this is how managers learn about players and there character. You can plan and talk tactics until you are blue in the face - but players still have to deliver. You can make substitutions but players still have to take their opportunity
Then there is the fans logic of the player that didn't play would have been better? But I always think that is often more assumption than fact.
But this is how managers learn about players and there character. You can plan and talk tactics until you are blue in the face - but players still have to deliver. You can make substitutions but players still have to take their opportunity
Then there is the fans logic of the player that didn't play would have been better? But I always think that is often more assumption than fact.
Grendel
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Yes Carsley was one of your list that sprung to mind
HuckerbyDublinWhelan
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I genuinely thought Joe Cole looked as good as his reputation, only issue was that our league one players weren’t on the same wavelength.
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Brylowes
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Given the choice between he and Lee Burge ‘so would I.
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baldy
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Ridiculous
The Philosopher
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My take on the game: (belated, had a weekend on the stagger so not had 5 to ramble):
Dabo:
Not a centre back and then forgets where he’s meant to play, leading to the rest of the defence being out of shape and the midfield having to drop back.
Let me give you an example:
Throw in, 10 yards into their half on RHS. Dabo runs over to take so he’s miles out of position. Defensive midfielders have to be aware and instead of our team getting set fit an attack, the shape is all wrong and the throw goes backwards from a potentially attacking position. Madness, and I was surprised that MR / AV didn’t spot this - it happened several times. It’s the blindness to common sense that sometimes confuses and concerns.
Also, someone in our team needs to learn how to long throw and our whole throw-in set piece routine (short/long/holding) needs some work. We get loads more throws in a game than free kicks outside the box and corners - yet we don’t practice throw ins by the looks of things. See how WBA powered in from thE RHS for their second (albeit cheat) goal. Should be the type of thing that we do.
As people mentioned before, JS believed in round pegs for round holes. If Dabo’s best position is RWB, then his second best position is not RCB, it’s more a high-pressing AMR. If COH gets injured then playing Dabo there on the right of a box where he can harry, press and cut from the line is far better than him costing us goals at RCB.
Some baffling strategy of late, yes we are doing ok overall, but I can’t help but think that the little obvious things need work.
It’s easy to say “spend 8k/week on a new (whatever) in January”. I think this is the wrong thing to do.
SG has brought in a new set piece coach and the Villa players attributed their win to that yesterday.
For 8k week (and I’m guessing with the 5k more than probably budgeted attendances we are having we can afford) we should be looking at getting in some specialist coaches that the big clubs have. Throw ins, set pieces, shithousery. Develop what we’ve got.
rant over.
Dabo:
Not a centre back and then forgets where he’s meant to play, leading to the rest of the defence being out of shape and the midfield having to drop back.
Let me give you an example:
Throw in, 10 yards into their half on RHS. Dabo runs over to take so he’s miles out of position. Defensive midfielders have to be aware and instead of our team getting set fit an attack, the shape is all wrong and the throw goes backwards from a potentially attacking position. Madness, and I was surprised that MR / AV didn’t spot this - it happened several times. It’s the blindness to common sense that sometimes confuses and concerns.
Also, someone in our team needs to learn how to long throw and our whole throw-in set piece routine (short/long/holding) needs some work. We get loads more throws in a game than free kicks outside the box and corners - yet we don’t practice throw ins by the looks of things. See how WBA powered in from thE RHS for their second (albeit cheat) goal. Should be the type of thing that we do.
As people mentioned before, JS believed in round pegs for round holes. If Dabo’s best position is RWB, then his second best position is not RCB, it’s more a high-pressing AMR. If COH gets injured then playing Dabo there on the right of a box where he can harry, press and cut from the line is far better than him costing us goals at RCB.
Some baffling strategy of late, yes we are doing ok overall, but I can’t help but think that the little obvious things need work.
It’s easy to say “spend 8k/week on a new (whatever) in January”. I think this is the wrong thing to do.
SG has brought in a new set piece coach and the Villa players attributed their win to that yesterday.
For 8k week (and I’m guessing with the 5k more than probably budgeted attendances we are having we can afford) we should be looking at getting in some specialist coaches that the big clubs have. Throw ins, set pieces, shithousery. Develop what we’ve got.
rant over.
Grendel
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The club doesn’t have enough players.
it has 4 or 5 who never will play and others like Jones with zero experience at this level.
We clearly need to enlarge the squad
shmmeee
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TBF every time we played longer than ten yards we also lost it.