COVID pass (12 Viewers)

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Where did I say vaccination will have no effect? My point was even if vaccinated it is still possible to catch and transmit it. Let’s all start again.

And my point is it has been shown beyond doubt that it reduces transmission for all the previous variants. You decided not to get jabbed long before Omicron appeared and have supported the idea that the vaccinated are bigger transmitters than the unvaccinated.

It’s pretty laughable

 

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[Sky Blue Harry H]

Oh I’m sorry. Who were you referring to then?

My brother leads a healthy lifestyle but has leukaemia. Not going into further details about how this has affected him and his family, but people being blase and opining that it only affects those that haven't taken care of themselves are ignorant and insensitive.

 

[steve cooper]

I won’t need to go to hospital. I’m sure of that. My ‘space’ there can go to someone who lives an unhealthy lifestyle instead.

I hope you are right, but the point is, if you have passed on to some else who is fully vaccinated, that person may still catch it but is less likely to get seriously ill or need hospital treatment., hence helping to avoid the NHS being overwhelmed this winter. That's why the covid pass matters.

 

[ajsccfc]

Of all the misinformation spread in the last two years, the idea that only fat/old/unhealthy people can be hit hard by covid is one of the more dangerous

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Of all the misinformation spread in the last two years, the idea that only fat/old/unhealthy people can be hit hard by covid is one of the more dangerous

I’m overweight and haven’t had it bad if I’ve even had it at all. Yet some colleagues of similar age and better fitness have had it multiple times with Long Covid as a result.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

So to what extent does it lessen the the symptoms and spread.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1040076/Technical_Briefing_31.pdf

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Of all the misinformation spread in the last two years, the idea that only fat/old/unhealthy people can be hit hard by covid is one of the more dangerous

Even if that were the case, the number of people with some kind of underlying health condition in the world is fairly large!

 

[steve cooper]

Of all the misinformation spread in the last two years, the idea that only fat/old/unhealthy people can be hit hard by covid is one of the more dangerous

That's right, I am not overweight but being over 80 I am old as Rich puts it. I have spent much of the last 2 weeks in and out of hospital having various tests, and actually one of the biggest concerns for me is whether I will catch covid from being there. I am fully vaccinated however so that worry is mitigated to a certain extent, but I could tell some of the hospital staff were worried about the covid influx that may be coming.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

It's worth noting that, until I went in for a general check-up, I didn't know my blood pressure was off the scale. The doctor thought the machine was broken, and tried another one before sending me off to hospital instantly for an ECG etc. It's now (sort of!) under control with medication (although this board bumps it up somewhat!) but... you think you're fit and healthy? I hope for your sake you are...

 

[Grendel]

Even if that were the case, the number of people with some kind of underlying health condition in the world is fairly large!

The point anyway is a vaccine is proven to massively reduce risk of hospitalisation and people who can’t be bothered and end up in it are a resource drain

The system will always treat you but if you drive around on a motorbike without a crash helmet and end up in a trauma unit you are still clearly an idiot

 

[Deleted member 5849]

The point anyway is a vaccine is proven to massively reduce risk of hospitalisation and people who can’t be bothered and end up in it are a resource drain

The system will always treat you but if you drive around on a motorbike without a crash helmet and end up in a trauma unit you are still clearly an idiot

Aye, and a friend of mine who ended up in hospital. Younger than me, fitter than me. Sure, they didn't die (but it took a fair old while for them to be able to get up the stairs at home without being short of breath) so in the stats people quote in such a blase way, they're not a death.

But they were a drain on NHS resources. Arguably more so than if they'd died. I'll take a vaccine like a shot (no pun intended) if it means I avoid the same experience they had, and it means my Mum can get the treatment *she* needs for other ailments because the pressure isn't so great.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

I won’t need to go to hospital. I’m sure of that. My ‘space’ there can go to someone who lives an unhealthy lifestyle instead.

I remember Fellatio saying how he felt like shit but it was unlikely to kill him or need hospital.

As much as I disagree with your take on the vaccine look after yourself. if it gets worse make sure you get help.

 

[Liquid Gold]

@Nick yeet this fucker into off topic (or the sun) please

 

[Deleted member 5849]

@Nick yeet this fucker into off topic (or the sun) please

I vote for oblivion.

 

[100 miles from Cov.]

I vote for oblivion.

So you want me shut down. If it makes you feel better go for it.

 

[mr_monkey]

So you want me shut down. If it makes you feel better go for it.

No it's pointing out your dangerous inaccuracies which you refuse to see because you believe such utter nonsense

 

[chiefdave]

Where did I say vaccination will have no effect? My point was even if vaccinated it is still possible to catch and transmit it. Let’s all start again.

The problem is whenever any mitigation is mentioned you get people saying its not 100% effective and then leap from that to its therefore not worth doing. Its always going to be a case of trying to find a balance between how intrusive mitigations are and how effective they are.

All the evidence suggests that getting the vaccine is the single most effective mitigation and that transmission among the vaccinated is lower. So vaccinations and vaccine passes, which don't actually prevent you doing anything just mean you have to show a QR code on your phone, are hardly a big ask or unreasonable restrictions.

Similarly we know masks help, we also know not all masks are the same, cloth masks aren't as good as surgical which aren't as good as N95. Again its not hugely restrictive to ask people to wear masks in public places, there's coutries where its just an accepted courtesy and has been for years.

Vaccinations, vaccine passports, masks and wfh where possible are all things that don't really stop anyone doing anything and have the potential to impact the spread.

 

[baldy]

The problem is whenever any mitigation is mentioned you get people saying its not 100% effective and then leap from that to its therefore not worth doing. Its always going to be a case of trying to find a balance between how intrusive mitigations are and how effective they are.

All the evidence suggests that getting the vaccine is the single most effective mitigation and that transmission among the vaccinated is lower. So vaccinations and vaccine passes, which don't actually prevent you doing anything just mean you have to show a QR code on your phone, are hardly a big ask or unreasonable restrictions.

Similarly we know masks help, we also know not all masks are the same, cloth masks aren't as good as surgical which aren't as good as N95. Again its not hugely restrictive to ask people to wear masks in public places, there's coutries where its just an accepted courtesy and has been for years.

Vaccinations, vaccine passports, masks and wfh where possible are all things that don't really stop anyone doing anything and have the potential to impact the spread.

How are the elderly going to cope when going into pubs & having to show the app on their phones? Some of which might not even have a phone or understand how to use it

 

[chiefdave]

How are the elderly going to cope when going into pubs & having to show the app on their phones? Some of which might not even have a phone or understand how to use it

Same as they do in every other country I guess. What do they do when they go to events that only do digital ticketing or places that are cashless?

You can also call 119 and get a hard copy pass posted to you.

 

[100 miles from Cov.]

How long until we have to show our medical status to buy food from a supermarket or fuel from a petrol station. It’s a very slippery slope.

 

[mr_monkey]

How long until we have to show our medical status to buy food from a supermarket or fuel from a petrol station. It’s a very slippery slope.

More food and fuel for the non stupid people then

 

[100 miles from Cov.]

More food and fuel for the non stupid people then

I cannot understand how rude a lot of you are. Would you be happy for the vaccine free members of society to be excluded from society until they take an injection which currently has no long term health data for it?

 

[mr_monkey]

I cannot understand how rude a lot of you are. Would you be happy for the vaccine free members of society to be excluded from society until they take an injection which currently has no long term health data for it?

Yep 100% (or put them on an island so their selfish actions can't affect decent people and they can just get on with it)

 

[Grendel]

I cannot understand how rude a lot of you are. Would you be happy for the vaccine free members of society to be excluded from society until they take an injection which currently has no long term health data for it?

Are you happy that people who don’t want non vaccinated people at public events sharing their space have no choice

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

I cannot understand how rude a lot of you are. Would you be happy for the vaccine free members of society to be excluded from society until they take an injection which currently has no long term health data for it?

I wouldn't bother trying to argue. Almost two years of psychological warfare has had a bigger effect on some people than others, and society has become a bit 'Lord of the Flies'.

 

[Grendel]

I wouldn't bother trying to argue. Almost two years of psychological warfare has had a bigger effect on some people than others, and society has become a bit 'Lord of the Flies'.

At least it’s a fictional book now and not a Nazi atrocity

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

At least it’s a fictional book now and not a Nazi atrocity

What nazi atrocity would that be?

Also, didn't you claim on here that you had a beer belly once? Perhaps we should remove your health care for being a burden on the NHS too.

 

[Grendel]

What nazi atrocity would that be?

Also, didn't you claim on here that you had a beer belly once? Perhaps we should remove your health care for being a burden on the NHS too.

Well not really as if i has a vaccine I’d take it and that’s the point.

These people are a burden as they refuse preventative treatment - doctors and nurses accept treating illnesses where lifestyle is a factor but clearly are aghast when they refuse a tiny Needle and still expect equality

 

[Grendel]

The other point anti vaxxers refuse to address is what gives them the right to socialise in venues with a consequence it could end up resulting in a death of an elderly relative of someone else attending who has done the decent thing and had been fully jabbed

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I cannot understand how rude a lot of you are. Would you be happy for the vaccine free members of society to be excluded from society until they take an injection which currently has no long term health data for it?

The option currently seems to be shut everything, and everyone, down, or enact some measures, that's the way it is at present.

Now... I have the utmost sympathy for those who can't have the vaccine for whatever reason, and I also understand fear of the unknown. I also understand a lack of... understanding that makes people head towards the predisposition of fear of the unknown.

However, an awful lot of people appear to be quite happy to dismiss concerns of others (it's only old, and fat people who suffer etc etc - if you don't want to get on a train if somebody isn't wearing a mask, don't get on the train), so those people, coupled with a resistance to vaccines, probably need to be temporarily persuaded to do certain things to help support society. I understand that vaccine or LFT is imperfect but, if it lessens a spread even slightly and increases the chances of society staying open, then that's the way it is, too. Taking a LFT is not the most tortuous ordeal, tbf, and even if you, or others, find it a bit odd, it's not a massive imposition.

 

[mr_monkey]

I wouldn't bother trying to argue. Almost two years of psychological warfare has had a bigger effect on some people than others, and society has become a bit 'Lord of the Flies'.

Psychological warfare that's a new one

 

[100 miles from Cov.]

The other point anti vaxxers refuse to address is what gives them the right to socialise in venues with a consequence it could end up resulting in a death of an elderly relative of someone else attending who has done the decent thing and had been fully jabbed

How the hell can someone who isn’t jabbed kill someone who is fully jabbed. That makes no sense. Surely the only risk is to the unjabbed.

 

[Sick Boy]

How are the elderly going to cope when going into pubs & having to show the app on their phones? Some of which might not even have a phone or understand how to use it

Absolute bollocks.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Psychological warfare that's a new one

Well, look at the state of it.

Normal people that would have usually regarded themselves as tolerant and liberal, taking the moral high ground in societal issues. Now the next set of restrictions are met with weak minded acceptance whilst pointing the finger at anyone else they can to make themselves feel better. This includes happily segregating part of the population and supporting extremely dangerous and totalitarian measures. It is almost funny but for the fact that is has been going on for so long, which in my view is also why many people have started to become desperate for a slight bit of hope that life can become normal, and will accept any move of the goal posts as long as that hope still hangs there.

The QR code thing is another one. People hide behind it. Look how Omicron variant got here; on flights where testing wasn´t required. Either police it all properly and have tight rules for everyone, or don´t bother. I don´t care, but this halfway thing is stupid, as is the sneering attitude of some.

I have said on here before that my wish is to get everyone vaccinated. People may then realise that this is never going to go away even when everyone is, and that a real plan B needs to start being thought about. If not we are still going to be here in another two years arguing about the same old shit and life will not have got back to normal.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Well, look at the state of it.

Normal people that would have usually regarded themselves as tolerant and liberal, taking the moral high ground in societal issues. Now the next set of restrictions are met with weak minded acceptance whilst pointing the finger at anyone else they can to make themselves feel better. This includes happily segregating part of the population and supporting extremely dangerous and totalitarian measures. It is almost funny but for the fact that is has been going on for so long, which in my view is also why many people have started to become desperate for a slight bit of hope that life can become normal, and will accept any move of the goal posts as long as that hope still hangs there.

I have said on here before that my wish is to get everyone vaccinated. People may then realise that this is never going to go away even when everyone is, and that a real plan B needs to start being thought about. If not we are still going to be here in another two years arguing about the same old shit and life will not have got back to normal.

It won't go away. Either the impact of vaccines, the building up of natural immunity, and / or the weakening of the virus itself will result in 'normal', however you choose to define it.

There is historical precedent for that. Until, however, we aren't in danger of overwhelming our services, then we have to take measures. From a personal POV, I quite like maximising the chances of my nearest and dearest being around for years to come to enjoy said normal, too. If that means a remarkably small change in behaviours on my part for the sake of others, then that's not a big deal, really.

'Weak minded acceptance' is a loaded inflammatory remark btw.