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[TomRad85]

They did

OK excellent. So pissed off Tories now make up part of this progressive alliance too then? Sounds great, I want in.

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[PVA]

What swung it wasn’t a thousand Labour votes going the other way but an enormous number of pissed off Tories.

Well it's both.

Labour didn't lose 12pts because of pissed off Tories did they

 

[PVA]

"People" in ONE constituency out of 650.

Same thing happened in Chesham.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Wonder if they'll get a thank you for lending their votes.

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Well they did, but the ones I know will be back voting Tory if Boris goes away and the ‘sleaze’ gets sorted. As a historically Labour man myself I’ve always just seen the Lib Dems as a party that generally facilitates the Tories more than it obstructs.

That and the likes of Tim ‘Bugs Bunny’ Farron, Jo ‘I believe that you believe that’ Swinson and Ed ‘Yoga Master’ Davey are a far cry from Ashdown and Kennedy.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Well it's both.

Labour didn't lose 12pts because of pissed off Tories did they

Well the actual number of votes we’re talking about is relatively small so any % will seem scarier than it is.

 

[Deleted member 9744]

He’s trying to cure it with green tea the last I heard

Yoga and green tea. Terrible.

Far worse than giving contracts to your mates and flouting the very rules you impose on everyone else.

Don't worry about the 150,000 deaths from covid, the botched withdrawal from Afghanistan and failed Brexit. Yoga and green tea is the real problem.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Yoga and green tea. Terrible.

Far worse than giving contracts to your mates and flouting the very rules you impose on everyone else.

Don't worry about the 150,000 deaths from covid, the botched withdrawal from Afghanistan and failed Brexit. Yoga and green tea is the real problem.

If I lived there I’d have voted LD to stop a Tory getting in. Doesn’t mean I have to think Ed Davey isn’t a prat

 

[PVA]

 

[David O'Day]

Ed Davey played down the idea when he was interviewed on the radio earlier.

They can't come out and say it though as that allows it to weaponised against them.

 

[David O'Day]

"People" in ONE constituency out of 650.

3 so far to be fair but that is all we have to go on.

 

[fernandopartridge]

But lads there was no progressive alliance/anyone but the tories voting

This strategy is only of benefit to the liberal democrats, of course they're going to suggest it's a good idea

 

[David O'Day]

This strategy is only of benefit to the liberal democrats, of course they're going to suggest it's a good idea

It saw the Labour vote rise in The Bexley and Sidcup by-election

Also there are a lot of Tory/Labour Marginals where it can help Labour

Sorry but you are just wrong in this instance

 

[David O'Day]

It saw the Labour vote rise in The Bexley and Sidcup by-election

Also there are a lot of Tory/Labour Marginals where it can help Labour

Sorry but you are just wrong in this instance

Seats were "anyone but tory" voting can help Labour

Labour Targets Seats 2029 - Election Polling

Lists of Labour target seats for the 2029 general election and regional elections ordered by percentage swing needed.

www.electionpolling.co.uk

 

[wingy]

Well they did, but the ones I know will be back voting Tory if Boris goes away and the ‘sleaze’ gets sorted. As a historically Labour man myself I’ve always just seen the Lib Dems as a party that generally facilitates the Tories more than it obstructs.

That and the likes of Tim ‘Bugs Bunny’ Farron, Jo ‘I believe that you believe that’ Swinson and Ed ‘Yoga Master’ Davey are a far cry from Ashdown and Kennedy.

Clegg sold thier soul for the spotlight of a moment in the sun.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Clegg sold thier soul for the spotlight of a moment in the sun.

And like Labour in 2014, then the DUP a few years ago, the Tories you helped out will only be too happy to shaft you at the next opportunity.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Seats were "anyone but tory" voting can help Labour

Labour Targets Seats 2029 - Election Polling

Lists of Labour target seats for the 2029 general election and regional elections ordered by percentage swing needed.

www.electionpolling.co.uk

And in the top 10 most vulnerable Labour seats you have two Coventry ones and Leamington + Warwick. Mr Western and his local party might come to regret their conduct when this one comes around

 

[Grendel]

Labour in an alliance with a bunch of fruit loops who’ve nothing in common with core labour values

Wow really progressive

 

[shmmeee]

Cringey or not its the best way for Labour to get in power.

They won't win if they battle against Lib Dems in tight constituencies.

Thankfully people finally seem to be seeing sense and realise that the best way to get the Tories out is for the majority of the country who don't want a tory government to work together, not against each other.

You don’t need it and the messaging is counter productive. When Labour are moderate Tories switch to Lib Dem without fear. Allying with the likes of Greens and PC/SNP would scare them off again.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Labour in an alliance with a bunch of fruit loops who’ve nothing in common with core labour values

Wow really progressive

The SNP idea is even more laughable

 

[David O'Day]

And in the top 10 most vulnerable Labour seats you have two Coventry ones and Leamington + Warwick. Mr Western and his local party might come to regret their conduct when this one comes around

Not really as Voting at the Local and Mayoral elections was back to pre 2019 patterns. The Labour Party in Coventry is in a Pretty strong place.

Oh well

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Not really as Voting at the Local and Mayoral elections was back to pre 2019 patterns. The Labour Party in Coventry is in a Pretty strong place.

Oh well

I was referring to L+W

 

[David O'Day]

I was referring to L+W

I doubt L+W with it's large student populations is going to change hands.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I doubt L+W with it's large student populations is going to change hands.

It had one in 2019

 

[David O'Day]

It had one in 2019

Yeah and it didn't change hands in a massive clusterfuck of an election for Labour. W+L is a great example actually of where Lib Dems voting Labour would stop a tory gaining a seat.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Yeah and it didn't change hands in a massive clusterfuck of an election for Labour. W+L is a great example actually of where Lib Dems voting Labour would stop a tory gaining a seat.

Perhaps the MP could be arsed to reply to his constituents and his local party members might not abuse voters on the doorstep

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I doubt L+W with it's large student populations is going to change hands.

It's an odd consituency though, traditionally Conservative voters mixed in with a large cluster of students etc.

FWIW, my dealings with the MP, I've found him to be very good. The local party...less so in recent years.

 

[David O'Day]

It's an odd consituency though, traditionally Conservative voters mixed in with a large cluster of students etc.

FWIW, my dealings with the MP, I've found him to be very good. The local party...less so in recent years.

Yeah he is it seems. The local party has always been a bit a of a weird one. Apart from between 2010 and 2017 they have had the MP but no real power on the council

 

[shmmeee]

I think there’s serious problems if you’re expecting any kind of swing away from Labour after the disaster of 2019. If we start losing Cov South and the like there’s far bigger concerns for the party than can we get a majority.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I think there’s serious problems if you’re expecting any kind of swing away from Labour after the disaster of 2019. If we start losing Cov South and the like there’s far bigger concerns for the party than can we get a majority.

Those seats were both small majorities partly because they parachuted in 'outsiders' too, Fletcher still had a large majority. Whatever your view of their political leanings, both new MPs seem to work pretty hardfor their constituents, so you'd assume that'd be enough in a practical sense to make them more secure at any future election.

 

[shmmeee]

Those seats were both small majorities partly because they parachuted in 'outsiders' too, Fletcher still had a large majority. Whatever your viewof their political leanings, both new MPs seem to work pretty hardfor their constituents, so you'd assume that'd be enough in a practical sense to make them more secureat any future election.

Yeah I can’t stand Sultana but she’s improved as she’s gone on so I’d hope she’s hit her bottom. I’d still rather she was replaced mind you. Absolute fruitcake.

 

[Deleted member 9744]

Labour in an alliance with a bunch of fruit loops who’ve nothing in common with core labour values

Wow really progressive

Fruit loops? Great deflection.

Basing policy on what Peppa Pig would do and saying that boys commit crimes because Dr Who is played by a woman. Yoga and green tea isn't the problem.

 

[David O'Day]

Yeah I can’t stand Sultana but she’s improved as she’s gone on so I’d hope she’s hit her bottom. I’d still rather she was replaced mind you. Absolute fruitcake.

Seems to be popular with the local voters here in coventry south. As NW said she is quite visible in the work she does on local issues.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Fruit loops? Great deflection.

Basing policy on what Peppa Pig would do and saying that boys commit crimes because Dr Who is played by a woman. Yoga and green tea isn't the problem.

Nobody said it was. Just why I dislike Ed Davey though it’s amusing for you to join in the assumption he enjoys both those things

 

[Nick]

Yeah I can’t stand Sultana but she’s improved as she’s gone on so I’d hope she’s hit her bottom. I’d still rather she was replaced mind you. Absolute fruitcake.

Sounds like sour grapes to me.

 

[stupot07]

Sounds like sour grapes to me.

I've noticed she's got better at raisin important issues in parliament

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