FA/Premier League meeting tomorrow (4 Viewers)

[oakey]

Dion said what matters is the players and their families. This was on Football Focus right after the Villa postponement was announced.
Au Contraire - what matters is the fans, the fans, the fans.
If clubs can't apply and follow protocols then they forfeit the points.

 

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[Nick]

Dion said what matters is the players and their families. This was on Football Focus right after the Villa postponement was announced.

Everybody wants to keep their families safe.

However, you can't just say you don't want to go to work any more for a bit because of it.

 

[better days]

Dion said what matters is the players and their families. This was on Football Focus right after the Villa postponement was announced.
Au Contraire - what matters is the fans, the fans, the fans.
If clubs can't apply and follow protocols then they forfeit the points.

The sense of entitlement is pretty unattractive
They want to have their cake and eat it

 

[Nick]

The sense of entitlement is pretty unattractive
They want to have their cake and eat it

What do the footballers actually want changing?

 

[SkyblueDad]

Never going to stop it. What Isaac Moore is being offered is a job at 16 a job as a footballer
He will probably leap frog scholar straight to pro probably on a three year contract and dream wages for a sixteen year old. Then he needs to knuckle down, there could well be loan options down to him then.

 

[SlowerThanPlatt]

Never going to stop it. What Isaac Moore is being offered is a job at 16 a job as a footballer
He will probably leap frog scholar straight to pro probably on a three year contract and dream wages for a sixteen year old. Then he needs to knuckle down, there could well be loan options down to him then.

They are all on a standard scholarship wage at 16 whether at Man City or Stevenage

 

[pusbccfc]

I agree with Henderson that they don't think about the players, but as others have said, many people are forced into work with far greater risk than a footballer. For starters, their job is outside for most part.

The money means nothing though, anyone can have difficulties with mental health etc.

 

[SkyblueDad]

They are all on a standard scholarship wage at 16 whether at Man City or Stevenage

Those who are signed on as scholars yes but some jump scholarship and go straight to pro and paid accordingly at 16

 

[Nick]

I agree with Henderson that they don't think about the players, but as others have said, many people are forced into work with far greater risk than a footballer. For starters, their job is outside for most part.

The money means nothing though, anyone can have difficulties with mental health etc.

I think people are thinking of the players though.

Have they said what else they want to be done?

 

[SlowerThanPlatt]

Those who are signed on as scholars yes but some jump scholarship and go straight to pro and paid accordingly at 16

No they don’t, a player can’t turn professional until their 17th birthday.

 

[Liquid Gold]

No they don’t, a player can’t turn professional until their 17th birthday.

This streak of being wrong about absolutely everything is just impressive now. I hope he doesn't stop because we must be on for a record.

 

[SkyblueDad]

No they don’t, a player can’t turn professional until their 17th birthday.

They can and some are are paid from 16 a lot higher than scholarship money.

 

[SlowerThanPlatt]

They can and some are are paid from 16 a lot higher than scholarship money.

Not legally. The most recent example is Bellingham at Blues who was on a scholarship contract while playing in their first team, only when he turned 17 could he sign professional terms.

“A player under the age of 17 cannot enter into a full professional contract of employment with a club and may only be registered as an academy player, typically under a scholarship agreement,” John Shea, a senior associate at law firm Lewis Silkin, tells City A.M.

 

[Nick]

Isn't this the wrong thread

 

[skybluegod]

I agree with Henderson that they don't think about the players, but as others have said, many people are forced into work with far greater risk than a footballer. For starters, their job is outside for most part.

The money means nothing though, anyone can have difficulties with mental health etc.

I agree with this.

Although to add I think the point is about welfare as a whole. It seems that some are only looking at it one dimensionally with Covid in mind. With things such as teams have 14 players they should play.

It's a very different proposition for the top teams. Maybe there is kind of an argument there at championship level but you only have to look at liverpools, Chelsea's etc schedule to know that the same 14/15 players playing what 6/7 matches in 2/3 week period isn't right. Anyone with basic understanding of human physiology knows that is beyond acceptable risk for players health.

It's also the fair competition thing, I personally want to see the best competition possible. It's like watching Bolton those first few weeks in league one, it's painful, yes self-inflicted but I think for me I'd rather see games played as they should be rather than seeing half-baked teams mashed together.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Just seen Gerard say that a player didn't want to be around other players because he was showing symptoms and has a family.

Isn't this just like normal people? Do they want football to stop and footballers to sit in their house on their own?

It isn't a race to the bottom though

 

[Nick]

It isn't a race to the bottom though

So what's the solution? Nobody goes to work?

 

[skybluegod]

So what's the solution? Nobody goes to work?

Listening to what the players thing for one. It's not one extreme or the other not every game has to be canceled and not every game has go be played.

The first step by authorities has been made for me by cancelling the FA cup replays. But the reality is it's been piss poor planning by the FA for years with a hectic Xmas schedule. The games should be more evenly spread there is no need for games 36 hours apart for example from boxing day to the 28th.

I can't imagine many players are saying they categorically don't want to play, the message is, it's not safe to play a congested fixture list with depleted teams.

 

[pusbccfc]

I think people are thinking of the players though.

Have they said what else they want to be done?

They've always wanted fewer games at Christmas.

I love the busy fixture period, but it's been something players and mangers have been against for many years.

 

[SkyblueDad]

They've always wanted fewer games at Christmas.

I love the busy fixture period, but it's been something players and mangers have been against for many years.

Not sure about the British players I’d say or managers it’s a long accepted tradition, but with the influx of foreign managers it has been watered down from years ago, it used to be two games in a row 26th & 27th, the same Easter it used to be Easter Saturday then Easter Monday and Easter Tuesday night. . We also used to kick-off the season with a mid-week game v someone say Derby at home and a week later play them again away. I accept things change and three games in four days at Easter was too much gut it often sorted out promotion and relegation so it could be exciting times.

 

[MalcSB]

Christmas is quite busy for postal staff as well.

 

[skybluegod]

I see the premier League managers and league officials again today.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I see the premier League managers and league officials again today.

For cheese and wine?

 

[skybluegod]

For cheese and wine?

Don't forget the Christmas quiz

 

[pusbccfc]

Not sure about the British players I’d say or managers it’s a long accepted tradition, but with the influx of foreign managers it has been watered down from years ago, it used to be two games in a row 26th & 27th, the same Easter it used to be Easter Saturday then Easter Monday and Easter Tuesday night. . We also used to kick-off the season with a mid-week game v someone say Derby at home and a week later play them again away. I accept things change and three games in four days at Easter was too much gut it often sorted out promotion and relegation so it could be exciting times.

Partly that, but also down to the fact football is a completely different game to what it was prior for the 00s.

As fans the expectation is high for players to push their bodies to the limit. Of course other jobs are demanding. Footballers have an easy life but the amount of injuries these days must be partly down to the pressure on their bodies.

 

[Sky Blue Harry H]

What do the footballers actually want changing?

More money, less games, nightclubs to stay open,