4-4-2 (8 Viewers)

[Mucca Mad Boys]

A few people on this forum are suggesting we play 4-4-2. :facepalm:

I'm calling those people out who criticise the diamond and prefer an out-of-date formation, how would you play the flat 4 in midfield? :laugh:
Put up, or shut up!

 

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[speedie87]

Today mcsheffrey fleck Barton baker

If everyone fit

Fleck Thomas Barton baker

 

[speedie87]

Just for record I'd play

4-2-3-1

 

[Nonleagueherewecome]

Today mcsheffrey fleck Barton baker

If everyone fit

Fleck Thomas Barton baker

No way you could play Fleck and Barton centre mid with such non-tracking-back wingers as Baker and Sheff. That's more a 4-0-4-2 than a 4-4-2: nobody in midfield, 4 in attacking midfield. We'd never get the ball.

 

[Nonleagueherewecome]

Just for record I'd play

4-2-3-1

I probably would too at this stage, but not if it's Cody out wide, which it bloody would be, you know it!

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

In that midfield, Fleck on the RM? He's a leftie and when played on the left he struggled at B'pool and Rangers - So no! Baker, hasn't done much on the flanks really has he? (Nor is Macca nor Bell good enough! imo)

Thomas + Barton, both good going forward, but not one of them is out and out defensive and this would restrict their creative freedom and would leave us open on the counter-attack.

Thanks for your opinion but 4-4-2 don't suit our midfield.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Just for record I'd play

4-2-3-1

The same formation we played when we lost to; Wrexham (not just lost, smashed!), Nuneaton, Ross County, ICT.

I like that formation myself, but the lack of (good) quality wingers means this wouldn't work that well.

 

[Liam Ccfc Varney]

4-3-3 with good wing play and switching the ball across.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

4-3-3 with good wing play and switching the ball across.

Who in the 3 in midfield? With what wingers? Cody on his own?

 

[pusbccfc]

Baker up front... *whistle*

 

[Liam Ccfc Varney]

Who in the 3 in midfield? With what wingers? Cody on his own?

McSheffrey and Barton on the wings, midfield Killbane, Baker, Elliot with Fleck and Cody up front

 

[Grendel]

A few people on this forum are suggesting we play 4-4-2. :facepalm:

I'm calling those people out who criticise the diamond and prefer an out-of-date formation, how would you play the flat 4 in midfield? :laugh:
Put up, or shut up!

Oh I didn't realise the diamond was modern and trendy and that's why we play it. That's ok then. It doesn't matter we never win playing it at least we are up with the times.

 

[PVA]

Today mcsheffrey fleck Barton baker

If everyone fit

Fleck Thomas Barton baker

And we'd lose every game 4-2

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

McSheffrey and Barton on the wings, with Fleck and Cody up front

You said 4-3-3, but Fleck + Cody up front with 2 winger?

Barton as a winger = disaster! :facepalm:

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Oh I didn't realise the diamond was modern and trendy and that's why we play it. That's ok then. It doesn't matter we never win playing it at least we are up with the times.

Although we won on Tuesday and haven't lost whilst playing with it (Pre-season + season)? :jerkit: :facepalm:

 

[Liam Ccfc Varney]

You said 4-3-3, but Fleck + Cody up front with 2 winger?

Barton as a winger = disaster! :facepalm:

I editted it sorry, and Barton wouldn't be a bad winger he could hold the ball up.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

I editted it sorry, and Barton wouldn't be a bad winger he could hold the ball up.

He isn't a winger - end of!

 

[Liam Ccfc Varney]

He isn't a winger - end of!

Who would you play on the wing? Because 4-4-2 isn't doing us much really.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

McSheffrey and Barton on the wings, midfield Killbane, Baker, Elliot with Fleck and Cody up front

You saying?

Barton kilbane, baker, elliott macca
Fleck Cody :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

Glad you are nowhere near our management!!! ointlaugh:

 

[Liam Ccfc Varney]

You saying?

Barton kilbane, baker, elliott macca
Fleck Cody :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

Glad you are nowhere near our management!!! ointlaugh:

In my opinion yes better than the same crap we play week in week out.

 

[Jake87]

Tbh with you can only play certain formations with the correct players in them positions. As in the 4-4-2 I would play barton-jennings-thomas(when fit)-fleck and then bring baker on in to the game. Then upfront play macsheff and cody which are both good finshers but we would have to play good foootball.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

In my opinion yes better than the same crap we play week in week out.

Pfffttt, you're joking, if you're not, you're an idiot. That team is like scrabble! :facepalm::facepalm::laugh::laugh:

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Tbh with you can only play certain formations with the correct players in them positions. As in the 4-4-2 I would play barton-jennings-thomas(when fit)-fleck and then bring baker on in to the game. Then upfront play macsheff and cody which are both good finshers but we would have to play good foootball.

4-4-2 as in the diamond one or the flat one?

 

[percy]

A few people on this forum are suggesting we play 4-4-2. :facepalm:

I'm calling those people out who criticise the diamond and prefer an out-of-date formation, how would you play the flat 4 in midfield? :laugh:
Put up, or shut up!

can you explain why 442 is an out of date formation.
personally i like it. gives the team plenty of width and allows the full backs to overlap. the diamond aint quite working for us because it leaves us far to narrow and puts to much pressure on the full backs.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

can you explain why 442 is an out of date formation

No top teams play it, England @Euros explains really, they even ditched it despite it being a Hodgson favourite.

Besides, It restricts space going forward, as the flat 4 have to defend deep to defend against a AMC so when we get the ball, taking it forward is more difficult. Also, with 2 flat 4's full-backs can't get forward as easily, a deep lying playmaker e.g. Pirlo can take control as there is little pressure applied.

Also, if you press the deep lying play maker, it leaves a massive gap between D and midfield so opposition players can exploit.

There.

 

[PVA]

whilst it's not really a favoured formation of mine, Manchester United play 4-4-2. Well, 4-4-1-1.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

whilst it's not really a favoured formation of mine, Manchester United play 4-4-2. Well, 4-4-1-1.

Yes, but changes to 4-2-3-1 when defending as Rooney drops back.

 

[percy]

fair enough sbt
sorry, i edited my post to elaborate a little

 

[Marty]

Don't think it matters what we say, 442 Diamond is what we'll play.

I'd go 4-2-1-3, until the defence learn to defend we're going to have to out score everyone else.

 

[Nonleagueherewecome]

Tbh with you can only play certain formations with the correct players in them positions. As in the 4-4-2 I would play barton-jennings-thomas(when fit)-fleck and then bring baker on in to the game. Then upfront play macsheff and cody which are both good finshers but we would have to play good foootball.

This is why we don't play with wide-men: none of them are wide men. Fleck can maybe fill in out wide, but hates it-that's how he ended up being on a free and signed by CCFC! He's a "no.10", a kinda Trequartista.

None of Jennings, Thomas or Barton can play out wide. If we are going to play 442, we will have to shove Kilbane back to his old position: does he have the legs? Maybe, if he plays narrow with Hussey bombing on!

As for the other flank, it pretty much comes down to Baker or Bell. One is injured, I've heard rumors Baker has a knock, and both have struggled for us out there. Both are better as one of a central 3 or in the hole.

OK maybe he should have signed widemen to give us the option...but he didn't.

 

[Sky_Blue_Ste]

442? With our players?

 

[SkyBlue Baker96]

No top teams play it, England @Euros explains really, they even ditched it despite it being a Hodgson favourite.

Besides, It restricts space going forward, as the flat 4 have to defend deep to defend against a AMC so when we get the ball, taking it forward is more difficult. Also, with 2 flat 4's full-backs can't get forward as easily, a deep lying playmaker e.g. Pirlo can take control as there is little pressure applied.

Also, if you press the deep lying play maker, it leaves a massive gap between D and midfield so opposition players can exploit.

There.

in our case we need the DM to control the game in general, but more so passing and tracking back, so we need jennings to get match fitness straight away because although Daniels has done a good job, that's not his preferred role, jennings is older more experienced and can probably pick a pass better than him, get fleck fit again, play diamond kilbane left, barton right (drifting) fleck behind front two and then jennings at the base behind back four pulling the strings, bringing full backs into the game, filling in when they are getting back etc, i believe this would be best midfield in league one easily once they all play together for a few games

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

in our case we need the DM to control the game in general, but more so passing and tracking back, so we need jennings to get match fitness straight away because although Daniels has done a good job, that's not his preferred role, jennings is older more experienced and can probably pick a pass better than him, get fleck fit again, play diamond kilbane left, barton right (drifting) fleck behind front two and then jennings at the base behind back four pulling the strings, bringing full backs into the game, filling in when they are getting back etc, i believe this would be best midfield in league one easily once they all play together for a few games

Hence why we should play the diamond and never play 4-4-2, hopefully our team can do well with this formation.

 

[Sutty]

No top teams play it, England @Euros explains really, they even ditched it despite it being a Hodgson favourite.

Besides, It restricts space going forward, as the flat 4 have to defend deep to defend against a AMC so when we get the ball, taking it forward is more difficult. Also, with 2 flat 4's full-backs can't get forward as easily, a deep lying playmaker e.g. Pirlo can take control as there is little pressure applied.

Also, if you press the deep lying play maker, it leaves a massive gap between D and midfield so opposition players can exploit.

There.

Couldn't have put it better myself.

Three-layered formations are a thing of the past.

 

[percy]

clarke and hussey working the flanks with baker and fleck ahead. jennings holding with barton pressing. attack down the wings with plenty of crosses. ball and cody doing the rest. keep nice and compact when not in possesion protecting the back 4