4-4-2 (1 Viewer)

[percy]

I have to admit, I forgot about Cody, knew I missed out someone importent :facepalm:

BUT, to be behind only Cody, what a crime!? It is expected and for Fleck to have 2 is good.

i appreciate what you are saying but the formation aint working to well for us. i think we need something more solid. the diamond is good if you can get your full backs up the pitch which is great, but when you aint got the ball it can leave you exposed big time down the flanks with a 2v1 situation.

 

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[Mucca Mad Boys]

i appreciate what you are saying but the formation aint working to well for us. i think we need something more solid. the diamond is good if you can get your full backs up the pitch which is great, but when you aint got the ball it can leave you exposed big time down the flanks with a 2v1 situation.

But quite simply, 4-4-2 doesn't suit us, 4-3-3 wouldn't, 4-2-3-1 most certainly doesn't!

What other alternatives.

Fortunatley for AT (for us it is yet to be seen), he has been able to build a team that will suit the diamond, therefore we may aswell wait and see how everything pans out, until action is needed.

 

[Black6Osprey]

But quite simply, 4-4-2 doesn't suit us, 4-3-3 wouldn't, 4-2-3-1 most certainly doesn't!

What other alternatives.

Fortunatley for AT (for us it is yet to be seen), he has been able to build a team that will suit the diamond, therefore we may aswell wait and see how everything pans out, until action is needed.

Christ are you telling me we have a squad of players who can only play 4-1-2-1-2?

I've never read anything so ridiculous in all my life.

These players will never play for any other club again then as hardly anyone plays the diamond in the English leagues. I suppose thats why Fleck couldn't get in the Rangers team, or Barton was let go from Preston etc. Non of them played the diamond which is the only system any of them can play.

Before you post please think about it as you're making yourself look a bit retarded.

 

[Nonleagueherewecome]

Christ are you telling me we have a squad of players who can only play 4-1-2-1-2?

I've never read anything so ridiculous in all my life.

These players will never play for any other club again then as hardly anyone plays the diamond in the English leagues. I suppose thats why Fleck couldn't get in the Rangers team, or Barton was let go from Preston etc. Non of them played the diamond which is the only system any of them can play.

Before you post please think about it as you're making yourself look a bit retarded.

Maybe you should try thinking before calling people you've never met before retarded simply because they don't "share your vision"?

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Christ are you telling me we have a squad of players who can only play 4-1-2-1-2?

I've never read anything so ridiculous in all my life.

These players will never play for any other club again then as hardly anyone plays the diamond in the English leagues. I suppose thats why Fleck couldn't get in the Rangers team, or Barton was let go from Preston etc. Non of them played the diamond which is the only system any of them can play.

Before you post please think about it as you're making yourself look a bit retarded.

No, I'm not saying they can't play those formations, but what I am saying is that it doesn't suit the team as well as the diamond.

Why? because our wingers are useless, infact, Baker is better in the AMC role and McSheff since coming back has done better 'in the hole' which in itself speaks volumes. We have 3 very talented young midfielders; Fleck (needs to play 'in the hole'), Thomas (excellent box-to-box CM and Barton is the'creative' midfielder so many posters crave for, but we can't have all out attack surely? No, so Jennings to sit and (hopefully) break down opposition attacks and lays it off to either Clarke, Hussey, Barton, Thomas or Fleck to begin attacks of our own.

Don't be fool, I never said Barton, Fleck etc. will not be able to move clubs as they don't use our formation, I'm saying the formation suits their roles as it does e.g. Fleck AMC. On Fleck, he struggled at Rangers (and B'pool), 4-4-2 at Rangers and 4-3-3 at B'pool because they placed him on wing and he struggled because it doesn't suit his style of play and playing 'in the hole' does, as he has shown in pre-season and against Yeovil.

I agree with what Nonleaguewelcomehere. Don't call me a retard because I don't share your "vision", although you don't project your visions, you merely criticise... :jerkit:

 

[Black6Osprey]

No, I'm not saying they can't play those formations, but what I am saying is that it doesn't suit the team as well as the diamond.

Why? because our wingers are useless, infact, Baker is better in the AMC role and McSheff since coming back has done better 'in the hole' which in itself speaks volumes. We have 3 very talented young midfielders; Fleck (needs to play 'in the hole'), Thomas (excellent box-to-box CM and Barton is the'creative' midfielder so many posters crave for, but we can't have all out attack surely? No, so Jennings to sit and (hopefully) break down opposition attacks and lays it off to either Clarke, Hussey, Barton, Thomas or Fleck to begin attacks of our own.

Don't be fool, I never said Barton, Fleck etc. will not be able to move clubs as they don't use our formation, I'm saying the formation suits their roles as it does e.g. Fleck AMC. On Fleck, he struggled at Rangers (and B'pool), 4-4-2 at Rangers and 4-3-3 at B'pool because they placed him on wing and he struggled because it doesn't suit his style of play and playing 'in the hole' does, as he has shown in pre-season and against Yeovil.

I agree with what Nonleaguewelcomehere. Don't call me a retard because I don't share your "vision", although you don't project your visions, you merely criticise... :jerkit:

Listen you're the one saying we can only play the diamond not me. I think a group of players of this ability should be able to and would be able to play any formation to suit the circumstances and opposition. To reduce our options to just the diamond is basically telling every other manager how to beat us. I don't have a problem with the diamond at the right time but if you have no other options which you quite clearly think we don't, then its gonna be much harder to get out of this league than it needs to be. One question though, now many times have you seen Fleck play to know what suits his style of play?

You can make all the hand gestures you like but you're the guy who states " But quite simply, 4-4-2 doesn't suit us, 4-3-3 wouldn't, 4-2-3-1 most certainly doesn't!" and then claims every new player we've brought in to midlfield can't possibly play anything other than the diamond. If these players truely are that limited then heaven help us but we both know the players aren't that limited and I think if the players heard what onfidence you have in them they wouldn't be impressed and neither am I.

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

Listen you're the one saying we can only play the diamond not me. I think a group of players of this ability should be able to and would be able to play any formation to suit the circumstances and opposition. To reduce our options to just the diamond is basically telling every other manager how to beat us. I don't have a problem with the diamond at the right time but if you have no other options which you quite clearly think we don't, then its gonna be much harder to get out of this league than it needs to be. One question though, now many times have you seen Fleck play to know what suits his style of play?

You can make all the hand gestures you like but you're the guy who states " But quite simply, 4-4-2 doesn't suit us, 4-3-3 wouldn't, 4-2-3-1 most certainly doesn't!" and then claims every new player we've brought in to midlfield can't possibly play anything other than the diamond. If these players truely are that limited then heaven help us but we both know the players aren't that limited and I think if the players heard what onfidence you have in them they wouldn't be impressed and neither am I.

All he is saying is that he believes the diamond gets the best out of our best players. Not that we couldn't play any other formation, just if we did the players wouldn't play to the best of their ability

The diamond isn't the problem anyway, Norwich made it to the premier league using it. All formations have strengths and weaknesses.
The team selection and the style of play is a lot more important than the formation

 

[Black6Osprey]

All he is saying is that he believes the diamond gets the best out of our best players. Not that we couldn't play any other formation, just if we did the players wouldn't play to the best of their ability

The diamond isn't the problem anyway, Norwich made it to the premier league using it. All formations have strengths and weaknesses.
The team selection and the style of play is a lot more important than the formation

Yes I agree the diamond is not the problem but the players playing it. Its too early to say no to the diamond with this group of players but in the two competitive games we have played badly and been exposed yet again out wide and although the results have been okay you know if we continue to play like we are we will run out of luck. Yeovil cant be more than a mid table outfit and Daggers aren't in our league so its not as if we've even played anyone any good yet. To say other formations don't suit us when we have hardly played any games with different formations and certainly not with all our best players is also a little early when we don't really know what suits our best 11 yet or who the best 11 is. Thats all I'm trying to say.

 

[craigSKYBLUE]

Barton Jennings thomas mchseffrey

Fleck

Mcdonald

I think it was as a bad idea to make kilbane captain as it effectively means we will play a diamond all season

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Barton Jennings thomas mchseffrey

Fleck

Mcdonald

I think it was as a bad idea to make kilbane captain as it effectively means we will play a diamond all season

Kilbane is a good choice and it doesn't mean we'll play the diamond.

 

[Ndlovusio]

I think 442 is dead regretably (death of the strike partnership). A good manager should always be able to arrange his team to snuff out 442 if there isn't a massive gulf in class

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Listen you're the one saying we can only play the diamond not me. I think a group of players of this ability should be able to and would be able to play any formation to suit the circumstances and opposition. To reduce our options to just the diamond is basically telling every other manager how to beat us. I don't have a problem with the diamond at the right time but if you have no other options which you quite clearly think we don't, then its gonna be much harder to get out of this league than it needs to be. One question though, now many times have you seen Fleck play to know what suits his style of play?

You can make all the hand gestures you like but you're the guy who states " But quite simply, 4-4-2 doesn't suit us, 4-3-3 wouldn't, 4-2-3-1 most certainly doesn't!" and then claims every new player we've brought in to midlfield can't possibly play anything other than the diamond. If these players truely are that limited then heaven help us but we both know the players aren't that limited and I think if the players heard what onfidence you have in them they wouldn't be impressed and neither am I.

I said no such thing! I merely said the diamond suits us best I suppose any one can play in any formation, but they'll play better or worse in certain formations as they don't suit it.

I'm stating, based on results, certain systems don't suit us and I am not saying the players cannot use these formations but it don't suit them, meaning the system is restricting their capacity to perform at their best.

"I think if the players heard what onfidence you have in them they wouldn't be impressed and neither am I."

You're a hypocrite, you are slamming our main formation we use, furthermore, you carry on to say, like other posters, we do not have the personel to play this system - so much confidence. :jerkit:

Look, I don't know if it is you don't understand what I'm saying, or you're taking out of context delibrately to further your own argument as I did not say our players cannot play other systems, just that the diamond suits them better. :claping hands:

 

[Black6Osprey]

Hey I see Everton are beating Man U with that out dated 4-4-2

Christ that Moyes guy must be an idiot. He probably wears unfashionable trainers as well

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Hey I see Everton are beating Man U with that out dated 4-4-2

Christ that Moyes guy must be an idiot. He probably wears unfashionable trainers as well

Firstly, Man U defend with 4-4-1-1 but attack with 4-2-3-1.

As for Everton, they use that system to play counter attack football, as 4-4-2 is a solid defensive formation (as England showed) and is good for the counter attack. Just saying...

 

[Black6Osprey]

I said no such thing! I merely said the diamond suits us best I suppose any one can play in any formation, but they'll play better or worse in certain formations as they don't suit it.

I'm stating, based on results, certain systems don't suit us and I am not saying the players cannot use these formations but it don't suit them, meaning the system is restricting their capacity to perform at their best.

"I think if the players heard what onfidence you have in them they wouldn't be impressed and neither am I."

You're a hypocrite, you are slamming our main formation we use, furthermore, you carry on to say, like other posters, we do not have the personel to play this system - so much confidence. :jerkit:

Look, I don't know if it is you don't understand what I'm saying, or you're taking out of context delibrately to further your own argument as I did not say our players cannot play other systems, just that the diamond suits them better. :claping hands:

Sorry didn't notice you'd replied.

I'm bored now so will only say this once more and then we can just beg to differ.

As I stated above I dont have a problem with the diamond but its a mistake to play it all the time and not have any plan B during a game or from the start.

Only using one formation no matter what, is going to make it harder for us to get out of this league.

 

[Black6Osprey]

Firstly, Man U defend with 4-4-1-1 but attack with 4-2-3-1.

As for Everton, they use that system to play counter attack football, as 4-4-2 is a solid defensive formation (as England showed) and is good for the counter attack. Just saying...

Are you watching this game?

 

[Sisu_Cockroaches]

A few people on this forum are suggesting we play 4-4-2. :facepalm:

I'm calling those people out who criticise the diamond and prefer an out-of-date formation, how would you play the flat 4 in midfield? :laugh:
Put up, or shut up!

Mike Basset always preferred 4-4-2

 

[@richh87]

Hey I see Everton are beating Man U with that out dated 4-4-2

Christ that Moyes guy must be an idiot. He probably wears unfashionable trainers as well

Wrong. Everton didn't play 4-4-2. If they did please tell me who partnered Jelavic up front?

Fellaini was back in central midfield when Man Utd were attacking.

4-4-1-1 would be closer to the truth.