Robins: “Split in the camp” (2 Viewers)

[baldy]

You can’t force players to take a jab but you could reduce their package. I’m sure this will feature in new contracts going forward.

the truth is players that are not vaccinated are less valuable as they come with more risk of Covid impacting their bodies in the short and medium term.

if we truly do have a dressing room split due to vaccination views then it reflects poorly on Robins and Boddy.

Klopp has led from the front on this as has Ralph and surprise surprise 98% of their players are vaccinated ….

Why would it reflect badly on them when it’s just peoples points of view? The team spirit’s seemed ok whilst vaccinations have been around

 

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[PUSB-We_are_going_up]

Doing my best impression of a CT headline writer there

Just watched Robins interview from last night and he looks seriously pissed off. Someone mentioned before he said there was a “split in the camp” and it’s probably about who was isolating but watching it that’s not what comes across. He’s talking about how players got to spend time with their family which is important because there’s a split in the camp, which makes it sound like it’s something else.

Any of the ITKs shed any light? @Skybluebeliever
@better days

Anyone not ITK fancy making up outlandish rumours?

Bright never left and he is creating a rebellion

 

[olderskyblue]

Jodi Jones was photographed getting his first jab at UHCW in June, surely he's followed through with his second?

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Is that one of the side effects??

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

one of the "truthers" mentioned it and said we all know about it but nobody actually knows about it and they refused to name names so I suspect it's a load of shit.

But what if it isn´t a load of shit?

One poster on here legitimately had a heart attack after his first jab and was advised by a doctor to not have another one, but there were posters on here trying to change his mind.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

You can’t force players to take a jab but you could reduce their package. I’m sure this will feature in new contracts going forward.

the truth is players that are not vaccinated are less valuable as they come with more risk of Covid impacting their bodies in the short and medium term.

if we truly do have a dressing room split due to vaccination views then it reflects poorly on Robins and Boddy.

Klopp has led from the front on this as has Ralph and surprise surprise 98% of their players are vaccinated ….

Klopp has also made himself look like a right bellend by coming out and saying the vaccine should be mandatory. It is about as effective as Tony Blair calling people idiots for not having it. It does absolutely nothing to encourage those that haven´t had it to go down the clinic and get a jab.

 

[Frostie]

 

[ccfc1234]

If the views of some scientists (about 3/4 way down the guardian article come to fruition there could come a time in the not too distant future that people (players) go about their daily lives even if they have covid. It's perhaps a little optimistic from where we are now but given the seemingly weaker variant, high levels of vaccine and infection we have had in the UK we might be able to consider this before some other countries in Europe.

Omicron is ‘not the same disease’ as earlier Covid waves, says UK scientist

Sir John Bell says disease ‘appears less severe’ as other scientists criticise lack of new restrictions in England

www.theguardian.com

With regards to contracts it will be easy for the club's to mandate vaccination if they can prove it is an unacceptable disruption to the needs of the business for players not to be vaccinated. Unless isolation rules change this should be fairly straightforward.
The issue clubs have is they would only be able to terminate the contract and at that point you would be allowing an asset to walk away for free and join another club as a free agent. Going forwards if a club wanted to they could configure new contracts and would be able to stipulate vaccine status as a condition of joining.

 

[tommy hutch legend]

I have had covid twice now and fully vaccinated the omicrom one which I have now is just like a bad cold the delta one was not good at all

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Klopp has also made himself look like a right bellend by coming out and saying the vaccine should be mandatory. It is about as effective as Tony Blair calling people idiots for not having it. It does absolutely nothing to encourage those that haven´t had it to go down the clinic and get a jab.

Every other approach has been tried. The reasons for not getting it are easily debunked and usually grounded in nonsense.

What else is left aside from calling a moron a moron?

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Every other approach has been tried. The reasons for not getting it are easily debunked and usually grounded in nonsense.

What else is left aside from calling a moron a moron?

Positive encouragement.

Remember brexit? The remain side lost due to the exactly the same sneering, arrogance, and bullying.

 

[baldy]

Every other approach has been tried. The reasons for not getting it are easily debunked and usually grounded in nonsense.

What else is left aside from calling a moron a moron?

What‘s so nonsensical about a player not wanting to have it because of a risk of heart problems?

 

[Grendel]

What‘s so nonsensical about a player not wanting to have it because of a risk of heart problems?

Because it’s Jeremy Ike social media shite that needs debunking

 

[baldy]

Because it’s Jeremy Ike social media shite that needs debunking

Who‘s Jeremy Ike?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

What‘s so nonsensical about a player not wanting to have it because of a risk of heart problems?

The risk is less than minuscule. Getting Covid however does actually carry a greater health risk-speak to Joshua Kimmich

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Positive encouragement.

Remember brexit? The remain side lost due to the exactly the same sneering, arrogance, and bullying.

We aren’t talking about something that’s subjective or open to debate. This isn’t-the facts on vaccine safety and efficacy are unambiguous and in the public domain

 

[Grendel]

Who‘s Jeremy Ike?

Exactly!

 

[Grendel]

But what if it isn´t a load of shit?

One poster on here legitimately had a heart attack after his first jab and was advised by a doctor to not have another one, but there were posters on here trying to change his mind.

Which poster was that?

 

[wingy]

Torquay?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Torquay?

Yes him but I don’t recall anyone trying to talk him into getting another one

 

[Grendel]

Yes him but I don’t recall anyone trying to talk him into getting another one

he also said his doctor didn’t say there was a link and told him he should have the Pzizer jab and not AZ as a precaution so not what ESB claimed.

 

[Deity]

What‘s so nonsensical about a player not wanting to have it because of a risk of heart problems?

Nothing. Just don’t expect to earn as much because you are higher risk / less valuable.

 

[baldy]

The risk is less than minuscule. Getting Covid however does actually carry a greater health risk-speak to Joshua Kimmich

Obviously being docked wages has nothing to do with his decision to only now decide to get a vaccine

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Obviously being docked wages has nothing to do with his decision to only now decide to get a vaccine

How about the Man City players who caught it?

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

he also said his doctor didn’t say there was a link and told him he should have the Pzizer jab and not AZ as a precaution so not what ESB claimed.

@Torquay Sky Blue - Please could you kindly clear this up?

 

[Grendel]

Obviously being docked wages has nothing to do with his decision to only now decide to get a vaccine

Only a twat wouldn’t get a vaccine

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

For the avoidance of doubt a monster study comparing myocarditis risks after vaccination and after getting COVID was published in Nature this month

Risks of myocarditis, pericarditis, and cardiac arrhythmias associated with COVID-19 vaccination or SARS-CoV-2 infection - Nature Medicine

A self-controlled case series using individual-patient-level data from over 38 million people aged 16 years and over, reveals an increased risk of myocarditis within a week of receiving a first dose of ChAdOx1, BNT162b2 and mRNA-1273 vaccines, which was further increased after a second dose of...

www.nature.com

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The highest occurrence for vaccines was 6 cases for every 1 million jabbed, compared to 40 in every 1 million infected.

 

[Grendel]

@Torquay Sky Blue - Please could you kindly clear this up?

Nah I will - you are confusing facts

Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics)

As much as I like that straw haired, Eton educated twat get a kicking...I can't get on board with anything Cummings says. He's a grade A narcissist. Agree. He talks like it was nothing to do with him.

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[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Nah I will - you are confusing facts

Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics)

As much as I like that straw haired, Eton educated twat get a kicking...I can't get on board with anything Cummings says. He's a grade A narcissist. Agree. He talks like it was nothing to do with him.

www.skybluestalk.co.uk

He literally says there that his cardiologist advised him not to have the same jab as he had before. That would suggest some concern from a medical expert wouldn´t it?

I know everyone unvaccinated to you should be thrown to the leper colony, but you´ve shot yourself in the foot by linking that post there.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

He literally says there that his cardiologist advised him not to have the same jab as he had before. That would suggest some concern from a medical expert wouldn´t it?

I know everyone unvaccinated to you should be thrown to the leper colony, but you´ve shot yourself in the foot by linking that post there.

He’s been exceptionally unlucky for it to happen as data from the huge number of jabs administered shows. I get why he personally wouldn’t want another dose but compared to getting Covid itself, which would lead to a similar if not stronger reaction, the risks are clearly much lower for the vaccinated.

 

[Grendel]

He literally says there that his cardiologist advised him not to have the same jab as he had before. That would suggest some concern from a medical expert wouldn´t it?

I know everyone unvaccinated to you should be thrown to the leper colony, but you´ve shot yourself in the foot by linking that post there.

he literally said there was no proven connection from his cardiologist and it’s a precaution and to switch to Pziezer - well done

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Also @Earlsdon_Skyblue1 thoughts on the data in the Nature study?

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Also @Earlsdon_Skyblue1 thoughts on the data in the Nature study?

As I have said previously, the risk is very low, but it is still a risk.

Equally, the risk of Covid to most people is also very low.

I can see why young and healthy people decide not to bother with the vaccine and take their chances. If it was the black plague or Ebola then I think your argument would be untouchable, but for Covid I am not sure I agree.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

he literally said there was no proven connection from his cardiologist and it’s a precaution and to switch to Pziezer - well done

Let´s wait and see what he says, but if there was no worry, why tell him to take another one? You are so desperate to ´get one over´ on people that haven´t had the jab, your arguments have become piss poor and desperate.

Nick is talking about vans on another thread, why don´t you pop on over there. Or have Hertz suspended your account with them?

 

[shmmeee]

As I have said previously, the risk is very low, but it is still a risk.

Equally, the risk of Covid to most people is also very low.

I can see why young and healthy people decide not to bother with the vaccine and take their chances. If it was the black plague or Ebola then I think your argument would be untouchable, but for Covid I am not sure I agree.

No, not equally. The risk is higher for covid than the vaccine. If you’re concerned about heart issues the data say get vaccinated.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

As I have said previously, the risk is very low, but it is still a risk.

Equally, the risk of Covid to most people is also very low.

I can see why young and healthy people decide not to bother with the vaccine and take their chances. If it was the black plague or Ebola then I think your argument would be untouchable, but for Covid I am not sure I agree.

Look at the data. Yes the risk is only higher in the under 40s.

That risk jumps up to a maximum of 6 cases in a million. For being infected it’s 40. There were around 30 million people featured in the study.

It’s not up for debate, not even close.