rob9872
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Lorded it over nobody. I only stepped in to defend a mate you have no idea about and usual were chatting shit. Gerry Adams fanboy you really are a vile specimen and I'm disappointed we even support the same team.
Bin Strikes (40 Viewers)
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer
Well-Known Member
We do that already, only the wrong way round.
JAM See
Well-Known Member
No Cov bin collections over Christmas period as strike to go ahead
Coventry residents will have to drop their rubbish off themselves at points across the city
As an aside, I applied to be a binman a few years ago.
Asked the interviewer what training I would get.
"No training required mate" he said
"You'll pick it up as you go along"
rob9872
Well-Known Member
Council response to Unite claims
Published Wednesday, 05 January 2022
The Council has issued a statement in response to claims made by the Unite union regarding the ongoing strike action.
The statement reads:
Once again, we are forced to correct blatant inaccuracies published by the union Unite regarding the ongoing talks to try and stop the strike action they have organised.
While we do not want to get into a public war of words, failing to challenge the falsehoods they are continuing to present runs the risk of people believing them.
The residents of Coventry that we serve deserve better.
In the union’s latest release from its national headquarters, there are several pieces of information presented as ‘facts’ that are simply not true.
Not one of the bin lorry drivers earn “as little as £22,183 a year.” We pay them. We know.
Over the last the 12 months the lowest paid driver took home £28,148, with the highest earner receiving £52,163.
As a responsible employer we take exception to Unite’s claim that we pay our drivers “poverty pay rates”. The facts are that the average pay a bin lorry driver received over the last 12 months was £34,143. You decide if that’s poverty pay.Unite claim “Our Coventry members agreed to postpone strike action over Christmas in good faith to allow further talks with the city council.”
The truth is we were informed by Unite’s Regional Officer they had failed to follow due process meaning the strike before Christmas was to be called off, but the January strikes remained.
We stayed silent on the reason as we were more focused on the talks but when an attempt is made to rewrite history to win public favour, we are compelled to put the record straight.Unite seem justifiably proud of the “12.5 per cent pay uplift, worth about £3,000 a year” deal they have negotiated for bin lorry drivers in Plymouth and encourage Coventry to do the same.
But the deal they have achieved means Plymouth drivers now have the potential to earn at the top of the grade about £29,500 a year. As already stated, the average earnings of a bin lorry driver in Coventry in the last 12 months was £34,143.Unite claim the reason talks planned for 4 Jan were halted was because “the only offer tabled was one our membership had previously rejected.”
The facts are we did not table any offer on the 4th as they did not happen. We wanted independent mediators ACAS to be part of the conversation and Unite wanted to speak to their members before taking part. There is no mention of ACAS in their official statement.Unite claim there is an HGV driver retention problem. For Class I HGV drivers that is true and has been well-publicised nationally. Class I drivers drive the articulated lorries that are so essential to guaranteeing supplies across the country from food to petrol. But Coventry City Council does not employ any Class I drivers. Our bin lorry drivers are Class II HGV drivers. Nationally, Class II drivers earn less than Class I.
Recruitment and retention are thankfully issues we do not face. We have lost 14 Class II HGV drivers in the last three years but only three because of pay or conditions. We have also added an additional four crews into our service in the last six months meaning we have successfully recruited an additional 20 employees without any problem.
Coventry City Council remains committed to resolving the ongoing issues Unite have raised with us. That has not, and will not, change.
Although we remain committed, we have limits to what we can offer as we know we already are one of the highest paying local authorities in the West Midlands for Class II HGV drivers. We are also mindful of the duty we have to all of our 4,500-strong workforce and the possibility of future equal pay claims.
But above all, we are mindful of the inevitable impact this strike action is having on our residents. We are really sorry about this and we want to be clear that we remain open and willing to do all we can resolve things
Published Wednesday, 05 January 2022
The Council has issued a statement in response to claims made by the Unite union regarding the ongoing strike action.
The statement reads:
Once again, we are forced to correct blatant inaccuracies published by the union Unite regarding the ongoing talks to try and stop the strike action they have organised.
While we do not want to get into a public war of words, failing to challenge the falsehoods they are continuing to present runs the risk of people believing them.
The residents of Coventry that we serve deserve better.
In the union’s latest release from its national headquarters, there are several pieces of information presented as ‘facts’ that are simply not true.
Not one of the bin lorry drivers earn “as little as £22,183 a year.” We pay them. We know.
Over the last the 12 months the lowest paid driver took home £28,148, with the highest earner receiving £52,163.
As a responsible employer we take exception to Unite’s claim that we pay our drivers “poverty pay rates”. The facts are that the average pay a bin lorry driver received over the last 12 months was £34,143. You decide if that’s poverty pay.Unite claim “Our Coventry members agreed to postpone strike action over Christmas in good faith to allow further talks with the city council.”
The truth is we were informed by Unite’s Regional Officer they had failed to follow due process meaning the strike before Christmas was to be called off, but the January strikes remained.
We stayed silent on the reason as we were more focused on the talks but when an attempt is made to rewrite history to win public favour, we are compelled to put the record straight.Unite seem justifiably proud of the “12.5 per cent pay uplift, worth about £3,000 a year” deal they have negotiated for bin lorry drivers in Plymouth and encourage Coventry to do the same.
But the deal they have achieved means Plymouth drivers now have the potential to earn at the top of the grade about £29,500 a year. As already stated, the average earnings of a bin lorry driver in Coventry in the last 12 months was £34,143.Unite claim the reason talks planned for 4 Jan were halted was because “the only offer tabled was one our membership had previously rejected.”
The facts are we did not table any offer on the 4th as they did not happen. We wanted independent mediators ACAS to be part of the conversation and Unite wanted to speak to their members before taking part. There is no mention of ACAS in their official statement.Unite claim there is an HGV driver retention problem. For Class I HGV drivers that is true and has been well-publicised nationally. Class I drivers drive the articulated lorries that are so essential to guaranteeing supplies across the country from food to petrol. But Coventry City Council does not employ any Class I drivers. Our bin lorry drivers are Class II HGV drivers. Nationally, Class II drivers earn less than Class I.
Recruitment and retention are thankfully issues we do not face. We have lost 14 Class II HGV drivers in the last three years but only three because of pay or conditions. We have also added an additional four crews into our service in the last six months meaning we have successfully recruited an additional 20 employees without any problem.
Coventry City Council remains committed to resolving the ongoing issues Unite have raised with us. That has not, and will not, change.
Although we remain committed, we have limits to what we can offer as we know we already are one of the highest paying local authorities in the West Midlands for Class II HGV drivers. We are also mindful of the duty we have to all of our 4,500-strong workforce and the possibility of future equal pay claims.
But above all, we are mindful of the inevitable impact this strike action is having on our residents. We are really sorry about this and we want to be clear that we remain open and willing to do all we can resolve things
clint van damme
Well-Known Member
Why don't they see if they can parachute in some nomadic lorry drivers currently based in Wycombe?
chiefdave
Well-Known Member
Why is our council so unprofessional? That statement reads like it was written by an upset kid after a playground argument.
Interestingly they state the highest paid driver earns £52,163, you can go on any job website and find shedloads of class 1 HGV vacancies for £50K upwards so that doesn't look great. They're playing the 'race to the bottom' card hoping people will be against the drivers due to the the thought of binmen earning more than they do when in reality we should be pushing for better pay and conditions across the board.
Interestingly they state the highest paid driver earns £52,163, you can go on any job website and find shedloads of class 1 HGV vacancies for £50K upwards so that doesn't look great. They're playing the 'race to the bottom' card hoping people will be against the drivers due to the the thought of binmen earning more than they do when in reality we should be pushing for better pay and conditions across the board.
chiefdave
Well-Known Member
Odds on that being one person who is on way more than anyone else and only gets paid that much because they work a load of overtime? Otherwise you would have to question how there can be over £24K difference in the pay of two people doing exactly the same job.
Nick
Administrator
Yeah or somebody who has been there about 50 years and on some agreement that they can't get rid of.
Evo1883
Well-Known Member
Direct from my contract
Sky Blue Pete
Well-Known Member
Moronic statement from the council
Sky Blue Pete
Well-Known Member
Drove past this morning. hooted my support
Evo1883
Well-Known Member
The council recently started several drivers on 27000 , which means they've skipped above people who have been there for several years , who have to work for 11 years to make the top of the grade ... the only way they could get these drivers to start , was by paying them more .. so I'm on 4.4k less than somebody who started just after me doing the same job
chiefdave
Well-Known Member
Knew it would be something like this. Which of course means if we listen to 'just let them leave' the replacements will be on more so they will have in effect given the pay rise anyway but spent months without drivers while they recruit.
Sky Blue Pete
Well-Known Member
Such disingenuous farts
clint van damme
Well-Known Member
You must be mistaken, our council would never mislead the public
Evo1883
Well-Known Member
duffer
Well-Known Member
In fairness mate, if they're going to pay the people at the top well over 100k (and sometimes much, much more), then there isn't going to be much left for guys like you doing actual, meaningful work...
Top Coventry council bosses paid £2.9m
A new 'Rich List' has been published
fernandopartridge
Well-Known Member
Looks like a highly misleading press release from the council to me, they state an average of 34k but that will be skewed by somebody on 52k. Just looks very selective.
rob9872
Well-Known Member
No idea of the numbers, but they've recruited 20 it says in recent months. Even if they were the only 20 drivers the 52k driver woukd make less than 1k diff per driver and I assume significantly less difference. I'd assume its someone doing lots of hours though, but I guess H&S limits prevent too many hours for a driver.
Tommo1993
Well-Known Member
With it being driving, it seems unlikely for a driver to manage to rack up that amount of £ difference where rules are concerned.
chiefdave
Well-Known Member
Councils statement worked then
Grendel
Well-Known Member
Councils statement worked then
well it saves money as they I assume get zero pay and I’ll just take my refuge to one of these designated sites
Nick
Administrator
Exactly. Doing the work for them, for free and paying them for the privelage.
Evo1883
Well-Known Member
I'd also like to add the part that states they've employed 20 people is also misleading , as 95% of those people were already working there as agency , some for well over a year
There has been no "EXTRA " crews per se recruited at all
Brighton Sky Blue
Well-Known Member
I'd like to know why they think balloting rules for a strike weren't followed. If you get over 50% of all members then it's perfectly legal.
Evo1883
Well-Known Member
I'd like to know why a Labour Council is fighting against its main union , buy hey ho
Brighton Sky Blue
Well-Known Member
I find it very hard to believe union bosses wouldn’t know correct strike ballot procedures. Keep it going I say
shmmeee
Well-Known Member
Mild-Mannered Janitor
Kindest Bloke on CCFC / Maker of CCFC Dreams
Interest rates don’t have to rise with growing inflation, too many times this has been used to try and curb it but actually inflates it and is a proven poor tactic to address the fundamental problems driving the Inflation.
the impact of such a move now would be be very different to when used in the 80’s/90’s as there were very few fixed rate mortgages available or taken up, the impact on individuals now is less so.
As to a reason for wage rises, necessary to cover elements around the cost to live, not all industry related prices are caused by salaries, shortage of supply, governmental taxes, profiteering, oil is cheap now but the highest a consumer has faced for a long time And therefore rises are needed to assist people in that living.
Wage increases, whilst do have the ability to cause a level of inflation, is needed at levels for people to be able to survive, I don’t believe in the all index as not everyone spends at those index levels on TV’s etc, but there is no denying that inflation on foodstuff/energy is increasing and that does impact peoples lives and ability to live.
that’s why I believe wages should increase, not uniformally or at the inflation rate but would be interested as to why they shouldn’t Grendel and the ramifications/impact if no one in the UK ever had a pay increase again
the impact of such a move now would be be very different to when used in the 80’s/90’s as there were very few fixed rate mortgages available or taken up, the impact on individuals now is less so.
As to a reason for wage rises, necessary to cover elements around the cost to live, not all industry related prices are caused by salaries, shortage of supply, governmental taxes, profiteering, oil is cheap now but the highest a consumer has faced for a long time And therefore rises are needed to assist people in that living.
Wage increases, whilst do have the ability to cause a level of inflation, is needed at levels for people to be able to survive, I don’t believe in the all index as not everyone spends at those index levels on TV’s etc, but there is no denying that inflation on foodstuff/energy is increasing and that does impact peoples lives and ability to live.
that’s why I believe wages should increase, not uniformally or at the inflation rate but would be interested as to why they shouldn’t Grendel and the ramifications/impact if no one in the UK ever had a pay increase again
Grendel
Well-Known Member
Where on earth haven’t I said people shouldn’t have a pay rise at all
Brighton Sky Blue
Well-Known Member
Wasn’t your whole argument that wage rises drive inflation?