Robins (7 Viewers)

[shmmeee]

We're addressing and apparently about to solve the LWB issue
We can't afford have 5 quality CB's on the books with two sitting on the bench every week (not sure any team in the league can)
CM we have Hamer, Sheaf, Kelly, Allen, Eccles. Similar point to the cb issue.
AM I agree is a weak point. Thankfully O'Hare is very durable.

Only two of those listed are Championship quality CMs. Allen on his day in the right formation is a decent AM. Though a lot of his days come against L1 opposition.

 

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[Evo1883]

Only two of those listed are Championship quality CMs. Allen on his day in the right formation is a decent AM. Though a lot of his days come against L1 opposition.

I think you're being harsh .. these lads are showing us this season they are championship quality.. do you mean top 3 or 4 championship quality then yea they are not , they are clearly championship quality players though as they've finished 16th and now are 8th , they can do it at this level

The ones that aren't are being shipped out slowly but surely

Otherwise what is a championship quality player ?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

We're addressing and apparently about to solve the LWB issue
We can't afford have 5 quality CB's on the books with two sitting on the bench every week (not sure any team in the league can)
CM we have Hamer, Sheaf, Kelly, Allen, Eccles. Similar point to the cb issue.
AM I agree is a weak point. Thankfully O'Hare is very durable.

Well at CB we have 4, then nobody else. CM Kelly is unfortunately just not up to standard, Eccles is unproven and Allen I’m not convinced about.

Think we’ll see during the very busy block of February and late January fixtures the problems our lack of depth can cause. I don’t think the result against the worst side in the league can cloud over the issues we’ve had since October pretty much coming down to being too light on quality numbers

 

[Evo1883]

Well at CB we have 4, then nobody else. CM Kelly is unfortunately just not up to standard, Eccles is unproven and Allen I’m not convinced about.

Think we’ll see during the very busy block of February and late January fixtures the problems our lack of depth can cause. I don’t think the result against the worst side in the league can cloud over the issues we’ve had since October pretty much coming down to being too light on quality numbers

On the flip side losing 5 in 15 is not the massive problem some are making it out to be , yea we've drawn too many for sure , hardly screams problem though

Won 4 drawn 6 lost 5

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

On the flip side losing 4 in 15 is not the massive problem some are making it out to be , yea we've drawn too many for sure , hardly screams problem though

Looking less at the results and more at how the games panned out. The overriding point is that Robins has his hands tied more than his peers at similar clubs because of the owners, but will still toe the line.

For the crowds that have backed the team this season any extra revenue he won’t see

 

[Evo1883]

Looking less at the results and more at how the games panned out. The overriding point is that Robins has his hands tied more than his peers at similar clubs because of the owners, but will still toe the line.

For the crowds that have backed the team this season any extra revenue he won’t see

With Robins not being able to really do anything about it other than leave , there is no point to be made really is there

I'm not entirely sure what else he is supposed to do

 

[Evo1883]

So the problem is that Robins accepts the ownership don't give him enough money ? Don't get where this is going or what he's supposed to do to be honest ?
Fall out with them ? Leave ? ...confused

 

[stay_up_skyblues]

We have no idea what is discussed behind closed doors but one would assume MR gets a budget and the staff work to it. How I’m reading it is that he has to come out in the media and criticise the budget/demand more because after 1.5 seasons we don’t have 20 championship level players?

We can all slate the board and rightly so but why does the manager need to? Honestly don’t get it.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

With Robins not being able to really do anything about it other than leave , there is no point to be made really is there

I'm not entirely sure what else he is supposed to do

Well a manager compliant with a strategy that puts a lower ceiling on the club is a long term issue

 

[Evo1883]

Well a manager compliant with a strategy that puts a lower ceiling on the club is a long term issue

This is arguably the worst take I've heard yet .

Using this logic we'd forever be managerless under the current ownership as none shpuld accept the current terms over time and if they do they are Complicit in any failure automatically .

The problem you have is with ownership , we need a manager mate , otherwise who runs the team

If they argue persistently about funds then we end up managerless time and time again

 

[clint van damme]

Well a manager compliant with a strategy that puts a lower ceiling on the club is a long term issue

I gave your previous post alike because I think you made Valid point but I think you're talking bollocks here to be honest.

 

[Deleted member 9744]

Well a manager compliant with a strategy that puts a lower ceiling on the club is a long term issue

Would you prefer a series of managers who didn't comply and just got sacked? Meanwhile we drift back to League 2.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

This is arguably the worst take I've heard yet .

Using this logic we'd forever be managerless under the current ownership as none will accept the current terms over time and if they do they are Complicit in any failure automatically .

The problem you have is with ownership , we need a manager mate , otherwise who runs the team

Well no the worst take you’ve heard is the annual call to sack him on the spot. Note I’m not calling for him to go over this either, never have.

 

[shmmeee]

Don’t think you can blame Robins for the lack of investment. It is what it is but the fact is the owners are blowing a once in a generation chance to make us a Premier League club again. Once Robins goes on current form we’re a L1 side again in a couple of seasons.

 

[Evo1883]

Well no the worst take you’ve heard is the annual call to sack him on the spot. Note I’m not calling for him to go over this either, never have.

Mate I don't want to come over confused but your post is strange .

1. You want a good manager at the club
2. You want that manager to not accept the current terms given to him from the owners and push for more
3. If he doesn't get more then he's a problem ?
4. If he accepts what he's given he's a problem?

 

[PVA]

Yeah I don't get it.

The manager of any club has no sway over what direction the owners take a club in or what investment they put in.

If he doesn't like it he can leave.

Otherwise he makes the most of what he has. And Robins has made a hell of a lot from fuck all.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I gave your previous post alike because I think you made Valid point but I think you're talking bollocks here to be honest.

Which is fine, but in the longer term we’re capping what can be achieved unnecessarily. Nowhere have I said get rid of him for not being militant over lack of funds, just that there’s a broader issue with not challenging the owners’ actions.

 

[Evo1883]

Which is fine, but in the longer term we’re capping what can be achieved unnecessarily. Nowhere have I said get rid of him for not being militant over lack of funds, just that there’s a broader issue with not challenging the owners’ actions.

The owners are capping what can be achieved.. not the manager

 

[covcity4life]

Well a manager compliant with a strategy that puts a lower ceiling on the club is a long term issue

So let's hope he leaves?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Mate I don't want to come over confused but your post is strange .

1. You want a good manager at the club
2. You want that manager to not accept the current terms given to him from the owners and push for more
3. If he doesn't get more then he's a problem ?
4. If he accepts what he's given he's a problem?

I seem to be making someone else’s argument for them. What I’m getting at but not articulating well in a half asleep state is that a manager and ownership team content with extra financial burdens on the club puts a lower limit on what can be achieved.

 

[stay_up_skyblues]

Which is fine, but in the longer term we’re capping what can be achieved unnecessarily. Nowhere have I said get rid of him for not being militant over lack of funds, just that there’s a broader issue with not challenging the owners’ actions.

To be fair we’re about to sign another championship level defender apparently. So maybe he does. Or are you suggesting he should also insist the board don’t charge excessive interest on their loans?

 

[Evo1883]

I seem to be making someone else’s argument for them. What I’m getting at but not articulating well in a half asleep state is that a manager and ownership team content with extra financial burdens on the club puts a lower limit on what can be achieved.

Sorry mate this is the same situation at 90% of football league clubs I'm afraid ..

This is you believing we can be something we are not .

Even if joy put her hands in her pocket tomorrow and offered him 10 million , we'd still have a squad worth less than half this league with no guarantee of promotion at the end

We can invest in youth, in infrastructure sure .. but it's all longer term projects that I'd be more happy to fund for a longer sustainable more succesful future and not a hit and hope

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

To be fair we’re about to sign another championship level defender apparently. So maybe he does. Or are you suggesting he should also insist the board don’t charge excessive interest on their loans?

If he signs I’m guessing it’ll be funded by the wages of a series of outgoing players and a fee for Shipley on top.

 

[clint van damme]

Which is fine, but in the longer term we’re capping what can be achieved unnecessarily. Nowhere have I said get rid of him for not being militant over lack of funds, just that there’s a broader issue with not challenging the owners’ actions.

That's not a manager issue inmy opinion,the idea that a manager can challenge the owners strategy and get them to change course doesn't seem realistic.
Your points about the owners in general I agree with butI don't think the manager,2hoever he is, is going to make a difference

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Sorry mate this is the same situation at 90% of football league clubs I'm afraid ..

This is you believing we can be something we are not .

Even if joy put her hands in her pocket tomorrow and offered him 10 million , we'd still have a squad worth less than half this league with no guarantee of promotion at the end

We are one of very few clubs being charged interest on the loans used to cover funding shortfalls. Some simply write it off altogether. The rates themselves are pretty eye watering also.

Not asking for another £10 mill, just for the manager to see more of what extra is made over what is budgeted

 

[Evo1883]

We are one of very few clubs being charged interest on the loans used to cover funding shortfalls. Some simply write it off altogether. The rates themselves are pretty eye watering also.

Not asking for another £10 mill, just for the manager to see more of what extra is made over what is budgeted

I mean the problem you have is basically the ownership , and that's understandable ..

I won't understand the argument of Robins happy to continue at the club on its current terms being a problem

 

[clint van damme]

We are one of very few clubs being charged interest on the loans used to cover funding shortfalls. Some simply write it off altogether. The rates themselves are pretty eye watering also.

Not asking for another £10 mill, just for the manager to see more of what extra is made over what is budgeted

Spot on, but it's not a manager issue

 

[Evo1883]

Invest in youth , invest in infrastructure , sure... long term investments yes ..

Not really keen on putting us in the shit for a potential chance of promotion , neither should any of you be

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

That's not a manager issue inmy opinion,the idea that a manager can challenge the owners strategy and get them to change course doesn't seem realistic.
Your points about the owners in general I agree with butI don't think the manager,2hoever he is, is going to make a difference

I started out playing devil’s advocate for the king of devil’s advocates in G and the issue he’s got with MR. If I fully agreed with him I’d join in the annual taxi threads, but I do see where he’s coming from.

 

[Evo1883]

I started out playing devil’s advocate for the king of devil’s advocates in G and the issue he’s got with MR. If I fully agreed with him I’d join in the annual taxi threads, but I do see where he’s coming from.

Mate we'd never have a manager , his opinion is flat out nonsense.. on the ownership ofcourse he's correct, but about the manager he just so wrong it's painful.

 

[Evo1883]

Add his opinion about godden to the wrongs too btw , I also can't believe he was offered a new contract

 

[shmmeee]

Invest in youth , invest in infrastructure , sure... long term investments yes ..

Not really keen on putting us in the shit for a potential chance of promotion , neither should any of you be

I think you’re misunderstanding the point being made. It’s always this binary on here on accept what we have or else you’re asking for £10m to be spent on players. It’s bollocks.

 

[Evo1883]

I think you’re misunderstanding the point being made. It’s always this binary on here on accept what we have or else you’re asking for £10m to be spent on players. It’s bollocks.

OK fair enough spend a few hundred k , or get some high quality loans in .. I still don't see us being promoted right now

 

[shmmeee]

OK fair enough spend a few hundred k , or get some high quality loans in .. I still don't see us being promoted right now

Again not the point. We’re a top ten side in terms of support but bottom six in budget and when we dont have our unicorn manager any more we’ll be a Championship club playing in League One.

 

[Evo1883]

Again not the point. We’re a top ten side in terms of support but bottom six in budget and when we dont have our unicorn manager any more we’ll be a Championship club playing in League One.

I still don't understand at all how that has anything to do with the manager , which is entirely the point being made