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Evo1883

Evo1883

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At the very least Rob, you can surely agree that starting several drivers on 4.5 k more a year than somebody who has been there a year is a bit naff and shouldn't happen
 
duffer

duffer

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rob9872 said:
They're on wheels and then lifted in. I do get it, binmen in the 80s were always off with bad backs as they had to lift them (from the garden not the end of the drive) and then tip them in. Thankfully we have machinery to do it, but walking and wheeling is the not the same as lifting and carrying.
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You've never done an actual dirty, manual job for a living, have you?

You hate the unions because you've had all of the benefits of them, shorter working week, paid holidays, basic employment rights, safe working environment etc etc , without ever having to fight yourself for them.

You think that the struggle is over now because you personally have got it pretty easy, but guess what, there are still plenty around who haven't. As long as you're ok though, eh.
 
B

Brighton Sky Blue

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Evo1883 said:
Tell you what away from the nonsense talk , the best thing I could do is when I do a Leamington route on Tuesday have you come and shift the bins that I do , far bigger than domestic bins .. and then ask you how light you think they are mate ..

I'm more than happy for you to show me how easy my job is

That's a genuine proposal

Shift 3 on your own Il buy you a pint

They are on wheels so they must be light , as are cars too btw 😉
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I’ll wave
 
Nick

Nick

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Think the issue about "missing it" is that there is no choice but to pay for it and it's not happening.
 
rob9872

rob9872

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Evo1883 said:
At the very least Rob, you can surely agree that starting several drivers on 4.5 k more a year than somebody who has been there a year is a bit naff and shouldn't happen
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Totally, yes. But then I get pissed here when someone starts on silly money and I've been here 20+ years. It happens everywhere. The test is are you happy with what you get paid for what you do regardless of others? If you're not move. I know I say it like it's easy, but in the private sector that's our only choice and don't see why it should be different. I've seen loads come and go here who earn more than me for doing far less, but many have gone and I've stayed employed and thankful to be so. I've never asked for a pay rise, it's always been rewarded for doing a good job or an annual basis across the board.
 
Grendel

Grendel

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Lol people moan about the Tories - the latest press releases by the Council are something even Thatcher would not put together

Now it seems bin men are refusing to take refuse from care homes and would rather strike
 
Evo1883

Evo1883

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Well we will agree to disagree and that's about as civil as anybody can be on the matter , I fully appreciate there will be some anger and frustration ..

Hopefully the council come to an agreement suitable for all
 
Evo1883

Evo1883

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Grendel said:
Lol people moan about the Tories - the latest press releases by the Council are something even Thatcher would not put together

Now it seems bin men are refusing to take refuse from care homes and would rather strike
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I was doing care homes yesterday and today .. so I wouldn't always listen to what's being said ..even in February and March this won't be the case
 
B

Brighton Sky Blue

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Grendel said:
Lol people moan about the Tories - the latest press releases by the Council are something even Thatcher would not put together

Now it seems bin men are refusing to take refuse from care homes and would rather strike
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What do you want them to do instead?
 
rob9872

rob9872

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duffer said:
You've never done an actual dirty, manual job for a living, have you?

You hate the unions because you've had all of the benefits of them, shorter working week, paid holidays, basic employment rights, safe working environment etc etc , without ever having to fight yourself for them.

You think that the struggle is over now because you personally have got it pretty easy, but guess what, there are still plenty around who haven't. As long as you're ok though, eh.
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You talk like I was brought up with a silver spoon in my mouth but you don't have a clue. Mum had a hairdressers in Earlsdon, dad started out at the indoor market with the rest of his family and then went to work at the Jag.

He got fed up at the Jag of always being on strike in the 70's (in the days when you didnt get paid to strike). Always out and often didnt know what for with a young family and mouths to feed or on a two/three day week and no sign of it ending with no real choice but to follow suit. Ended up leaving and became a milkman. Since then unions have never really been my thing.
 
B

Brighton Sky Blue

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rob9872 said:
You talk like I was brought up with a silver spoon in my mouth but you don't have a clue. Mum had a hairdressers in Earlsdon, dad started out at the indoor market with the rest of his family and then went to work at the Jag.

He got fed up at the Jag of always being on strike in the 70's (in the days when you didnt get paid to strike). Always out and often didnt know what for with a young family and mouths to feed or on a two/three day week and no sign of it ending with no real choice but to follow suit. Ended up leaving and became a milkman. Since then unions have never really been my thing.
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The balloting rules aren’t the same as in the 70s. In my experience the union’s invaluable
 
no_loyalty

no_loyalty

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CET Telegraph reported that green bins would be collected today, but have they fuck.
 
Evo1883

Evo1883

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no_loyalty said:
Lucky bastard. Which area are you in?
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There are collections on Thursday too .. although I have no idea what areas .. the council promised 2 days worth of collections in 1 day today , which is virtually impossible tbh
 
no_loyalty

no_loyalty

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Evo1883 said:
There are collections on Thursday too .. although I have no idea what areas .. the council promised 2 days worth of collections in 1 day today , which is virtually impossible tbh
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It said if your normal collection day was Wednesday then they would be collecting on Tuesday, so mine should have been today.
 
Mild-Mannered Janitor

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Evo1883 said:
At the very least Rob, you can surely agree that starting several drivers on 4.5 k more a year than somebody who has been there a year is a bit naff and shouldn't happen
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This is the bit I don’t get as the pay should be equal as the roles are competency based and not experience based and that is where I would have thought any union or individual should challenge a pay differential on years service.
If the role is to drive, or on the streets emptying the bins then each role in its two listed should have equal pay for each role across every individual. Drivers all one rate, refuse collectors all one rate unless supervisory responsibilities or added duties
 
fernandopartridge

fernandopartridge

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Mild-Mannered Janitor said:
This is the bit I don’t get as the pay should be equal as the roles are competency based and not experience based and that is where I would have thought any union or individual should challenge a pay differential on years service.
If the role is to drive, or on the streets emptying the bins then each role in its two listed should have equal pay for each role across every individual. Drivers all one rate, refuse collectors all one rate unless supervisory responsibilities or added duties
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"equal pay" was a disastrous union win many years ago, a proper leveling down exercise so I don't think unions are so naive to go for it now
 
B

Brighton Sky Blue

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Mild-Mannered Janitor

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fernandopartridge said:
"equal pay" was a disastrous union win many years ago, a proper leveling down exercise so I don't think unions are so naive to go for it now
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That was their ineptitude and trying to get equal pay when the roles were not exactly equal.
Levelling public sector pay when one role is secretarial the other is labour intensive was always a complete level of stupidity from the unions. They wanted single pay grades across all differing types of work.

This should be quite different if they used a sensible structured argument than the one which is poor right now by claiming they are the same as HGV drivers.
Technically qualified yes, but conditions, working hours, and travel distances all make it a very different role and the council don’t employ long distance hgv drivers so no like for like competency based comparison to sensible discuss or agree on.
What can be looked at though is if one person is doing exactly the same as another and their is a differential based on time served, which is what is being alluded to here, then that is not allowed, but often happens.
 
Marty

Marty

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Skybluefaz said:
Everyone needs a pay rise to keep up with this shit. Hope the drivers get what they want.

BBC News - UK cost of living rises again by 5.4%
www.bbc.co.uk

Surging food prices push inflation to 30-year high

The UK's cost of living surged by 5.4% in the 12 months to December, hitting its highest level since 1992.
www.bbc.co.uk
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Absolute joke that. Is there a difference between CPI and RPI? My pay rises are RPI+ agreed %. So I'm one of the lucky ones I guess.
 
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