It’s time to go. (15 Viewers)

[CCFC54321]

Didn’t you say in 2017 wasps would be bust in 2 years? How’s that going?

That’s another pair of pants in the washing machine!

 

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[Macca]

1 - crowd is income - top 10 yes... CBS rent must be factored in here....
2- Can they? (Honestly don't know answer)
3- Do they need to do that to help satisfy people involved that ultimately help/have helped keep us afloat over the years?? (Genuine question)
If they stopped, could someone mentioned above look to pull the plug??

I can understand people wanting a "bit more money" but I'd rather have CCFC in the long term performing at a decent level, than taking gambles.

I mean depends what you view top level
For me that means staying up

 

[Sick Boy]

If we keep the majority of this squad together and have a little bit of investment and cash in on hamer or o’hare and reinvest that I think we could be in the top six but we need goals all over the park and that sadly costs money we don’t have unless we get a large fee for one of the two mentioned.

We’re more likely to regress next season than kick on from this one.

 

[Grendel]

That’s another pair of pants in the washing machine!

Frankly it’s you who seems constantly wound up

You have zero understanding of financials at all and all you have in your armoury is the ability to spit and snarl

 

[Grendel]

What’s yours??? To make money?

Sisu aren’t making money through the club - they never will so again I don’t really see your point

If they owned a normal business and the building constantly leaked they’d get a cowboy from down the round to keep repairing it then one day it will fall down

Though of course their idea is to actually build a brand new building when they already have one they don’t even need to pay repairs on

 

[mark82]

What’s yours??? To make money?

Not sure making money is the right reason to own a football club. Unless things change drastically there's very little chance of doing that in the English game. It's a folly. The only real way to do it is promotion to the Premier League.

It's always the catch 22 situation with the current setup of football. If you run at break-even / profit below the premier league you're unlikely to be successful.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Sisu aren’t making money through the club - they never will so again I don’t really see your point

If they owned a normal business and the building constantly leaked they’d get a cowboy from down the round to keep repairing it then one day it will fall down

Though of course their idea is to actually build a brand new building when they already have one they don’t even need to pay repairs on

More of what they're owed is in terms of interest on the loans that the actual loans. So on paper they've got quite a bit of money due to them from the club.

Of course their chances of ever getting it are remote with the business model. As we are it's unlikely we'll truly be challenging for promotion and if they decided to walk away the chances of them actually getting all that interest due to them either from a new owner or out of some sort of admin process are next to nil.

 

[Frostie]

Unless you’re managed by Alex Ferguson in his prime, you can’t expect to win anything with a squad full of young players. Just utterly clueless

Even that's something of a myth.
Yes that United squad in 95/96 had a young average age but it still had the likes of Schmeichel, Bruce, Irwin, Pallister & Cantona as key players who were all in their 30s.

 

[Grendel]

Not sure making money is the right reason to own a football club. Unless things change drastically there's very little chance of doing that in the English game. It's a folly. The only real way to do it is promotion to the Premier League.

It's always the catch 22 situation with the current setup of football. If you run at break-even / profit below the premier league you're unlikely to be successful.

Indeed. The other thing when people talk about the sound finances and point at other clubs they forget we cheated the system in terms of FL rules and have been in administration twice

 

[mark82]

Not sure making money is the right reason to own a football club. Unless things change drastically there's very little chance of doing that in the English game. It's a folly. The only real way to do it is promotion to the Premier League.

It's always the catch 22 situation with the current setup of football. If you run at break-even / profit below the premier league you're unlikely to be successful.

Couple missing from the above (notably Brentford & Derby) but gives an idea. Some of those with big losses also had huge amounts of parachute payments (as did Hull and they were relegated the year after - still with parachute payments). Rotherham were relegated. Bristol City & Middlesbrough both did ok but missed playoffs. League is a basket case.

 

[The Philosopher]

To me this is all straightforward:

We are run as an investment business item in a hedge fund portfolio.

We have a playing budget based on income / net of overhead.

If we make money on a player either as a academy graduate or by buying and selling then SOME of that money goes back to playing budget.

If we offload wages then we can spend that amount in another player wages / sign on without going to SISU.

If we sign a player with little chance of selling or offloading then we better be sure that they are exactly what we need.

Signing a 31 year old as potentially 4th in line striker (Gyok, God, Walker - Waghorn) seemed mad to me.

The usual dippers who go frothing and laughing have the combined IQ of one of Bernard Matthew’s mushed up f-ing Turkey Burgers if they don’t see this. SISU are unlikely to agree to extend the budget unless it’s for a sensible purchase. Kane might have been a justified SISU plea based on the fact that he was the right age, established, undervalued due to circumstances beyond the norm.

 

[Grendel]

To me this is all straightforward:

We are run as an investment business item in a hedge fund portfolio.

We have a playing budget based on income / net of overhead.

If we make money on a player either as a academy graduate or by buying and selling then SOME of that money goes back to playing budget.

If we offload wages then we can spend that amount in another player wages / sign on without going to SISU.

If we sign a player with little chance of selling or offloading then we better be sure that they are exactly what we need.

Signing a 31 year old as potentially 4th in line striker (Gyok, God, Walker - Waghorn) seemed mad to me.

The usual dippers who go frothing and laughing have the combined IQ of one of Bernard Matthew’s mushed up f-ing Turkey Burgers if they don’t see this. SISU are unlikely to agree to extend the budget unless it’s for a sensible purchase. Kane might have been a justified SISU plea based on the fact that he was the right age, established, undervalued due to circumstances beyond the norm.

You insult others in your paragraph but make yourself look foolish in your first comment

Brilliant

 

[Truth Hurts]

Didn’t you say in 2017 wasps would be bust in 2 years? How’s that going?

Shock you keep posts from 5 years ago, you live on here mongdel

 

[shmmeee]

So who should they gamble and invest in?

Bear in mind the bigger richer clubs are doing the same

If you work on say 3 of the top six are settled already we are working on getting in to the next 3. If you get into play offs work out the chances of winning the final

Would you gamble on that or build a squad for a proper push next year? Also we hopefully will not be distracted by covid

I’ve said elsewhere next season is the one to tell for me. We need a touch more quality and a slightly bigger squad to sustain a playoff push. If the wage bill increases to allow that and the transfer budget allows us to bring in up and coming players rather than frees, then fair enough.

Were 3/4 player minimum off a proper squad and arguably 5/6. There’s little more deadwood to cut after this summer so it’ll need investment.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

We’re more likely to regress next season than kick on from this one.

Based on what? We’ve developed and grown every season over the last 5 years

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Sisu aren’t making money through the club - they never will so again I don’t really see your point

If they owned a normal business and the building constantly leaked they’d get a cowboy from down the round to keep repairing it then one day it will fall down

Though of course their idea is to actually build a brand new building when they already have one they don’t even need to pay repairs on

Sorry oldfivwr was asking you your motivation for business as you were saying sisu are wrong to try and make money. What’s your motivation with your business?

 

[Grendel]

Based on what? We’ve developed and grown every season over the last 5 years

We’ve grown because we dropped to absurd levels in the first place. We were top at one point in league 1 in 2015 weren’t we until the plug was pulled

You imply some great strategy but it’s more serendipity than any owner intervention

 

[SlowerThanPlatt]

Based on what? We’ve developed and grown every season over the last 5 years

There is a ceiling with this ownership and I would think we’re very close to it

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Not sure making money is the right reason to own a football club. Unless things change drastically there's very little chance of doing that in the English game. It's a folly. The only real way to do it is promotion to the Premier League.

It's always the catch 22 situation with the current setup of football. If you run at break-even / profit below the premier league you're unlikely to be successful.

Yep I agree of course I do but we are owned by sisu and part of that means they are looking to maximise their funds.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

We’ve grown because we dropped to absurd levels in the first place. We were top at one point in league 1 in 2015 weren’t we until the plug was pulled

You imply some great strategy but it’s more serendipity than any owner intervention

Ok that’s what I mean about perception. You blame sisu for the fall and give luck and chance the credit for getting back. That’s prejudice not fact. I imply nothing I just look at the facts

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

There is a ceiling with this ownership and I would think we’re very close to it

Fair and that’s maybe correct. I think once the players in our squad who deserve the best wages leave we will struggle to compete and grow. So maybe this and next season are the last chance saloon for Sisu getting a big pay day. If I had money I’d be looking at the back end of next season to get an offer in place.

 

[Grendel]

Ok that’s what I mean about perception. You blame sisu for the fall and give luck and chance the credit for getting back. That’s prejudice not fact. I imply nothing I just look at the facts

So what strategy did Sisu employ for getting back?

As for the fall the funding plug was pulled and they employed chaotic and ridiculous chancers to make decisions who were incapable of doing so. They allowed a failed head of Southampton FC to literally make the club a laughing stock

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

So what strategy did Sisu employ for getting back?

As for the fall the funding plug was pulled and they employed chaotic and ridiculous chancers to make decisions who were incapable of doing so. They allowed a failed head of Southampton FC to literally make the club a laughing stock

I don’t disagree and I’m happy to blame sisu and other leaders for the laughing stock we were. Unlike you who give no credit to anyone for the turnarond

 

[Grendel]

I don’t disagree and I’m happy to blame sisu and other leaders for the laughing stock we were. Unlike you who give no credit to anyone for the turnarond

Well I’ve asked you for their strategy that’s led to it…

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Well I’ve asked you for their strategy that’s led to it…

Employing boddy and robins
Agreeing competitive budgets and being flexible about supporting the club
Reliability and consistency in the management and playing staff
Modest investment in the form of loans assuring club in turbulent times
Managing professional relationships to maximise their effectiveness within the club
Not groundbreaking and probably not complete

 

[oldskyblue58]

Assuming sisu have not been putting money in to the club in the 2021 or 2022 accounts, then the only way that MR gets an annual budget is by selling players. If he sells anyone now then it appears in this years budget reconciliation. That means player sales will be targeted for the summer so we have a budget next season.

Currently we are on the fringes of the play offs, with many of the teams above us to play. We are playing well but not achieving on the recent run.

Sisu are investor first club second. Being comfortable in championship means they can return to what was the pre pandemic plan. If they can keep in the championship over next few seasons they can with player trading get back to paying down their loans and interest.

The plan in addition is still to buy and develop players to sell. This is still going on but perhaps not targeted at first team squad yet. Eg Tavares.

In terms of this season then there has to be room in the budget to pay for players and their wages because I don't expect funds from sisu. Everything that MR &Boddy have said seems to suggest no leeway outside of player trading to change things this season. Buy a player now 1m that equates to additional wages this season alone of 250k less players moved on wage savings. But unless we get 1m in then that is a hit on the internal club budget of at least 1m. Am guessing that capital cost is probably 10% of our player trading & wages budget.

So situation normal it would seem. I think calls for more funds will fall on deaf ears. Have not seen anything on here that would be compelling in changing sisu minds

 

[SBT]

As I said yesterday, 2 Championship standard players per position.

GK: Nope
LB: Yes
CB: If we played a back 4, yes, but with a 5, nope and even so, they’re dangerously slow.
RB: Yes
CM: Nope-nothing beyond Hamer and Sheaf
AM: The weakest part of the pitch for me.
ST: If one up front is the new plan then yes, though I don’t think Robins really wants that at home.

A couple of promising younger players from within are then ok to bulk out the numbers. If you’re asking right now, I’d say it needs 2 or 3 players in midfield most urgently. This doesn’t have to cost an arm and a leg

I think you’re underestimating how much investment we need to go from League One champions to having a squad of 22 Championship-quality players in the space of a year and a half.

How many players from that promotion season fit your definition of ‘Championship standard’ - six, maybe seven at a push? I’m not surprised we haven’t made 15 solid signings in the time that’s passed since then - how many other teams have done?

 

[oldfiver]

What’s yours??? To make money?

The question was addressed to you following YOUR comments- your usual attempt at deflection is noted

 

[COVKIDSNEVERQUIT]

And you, you're a miserable old fucker aren't you? Spend your whole day on here moaning just because your kids don't visit you anymore. Sad really

 

[higgs]

We’re more likely to regress next season than kick on from this one.

Agree unfortunately

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[cc84cov]

you can fuck off as well

you horrible weirdo

That’s a little better David go easy on the beer today son

 

[cc84cov]

You are one stupid little man

@Grendel quick look @David O'Day is on the beer he’s made another account to give it loads on phahahaa

 

[Truth Hurts]

@Grendel quick look @David O'Day is on the beer he’s made another account to give it loads on phahahaa

Grendel look Grendel look... like a small child getting his mummys attention

 

[Travs]

Stick to the running threads you are clueless, and clearly a SISU sympathiser

I'd love to tell you what threads you should stick to, but you spread your absolute claptrap indiscriminantly all over the forum.

 

[Ccfcisparks]

I'd love to tell you what threads you should stick to, but you spread your absolute claptrap indiscriminantly all over the forum.

Yeah and thank god you barely spread your shite on the football side