I'mARealWizard
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Assange gets asylum in Ecuador granted (4 Viewers)
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LastGarrison
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Harbouring a suspected rapist.
Top result.
Top result.
I'mARealWizard
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LastGarrison
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No sarcasm.
How can harbouring a suspected rapist be considered a good result? Would you hold the same view if it was a member of your family claiming to be raped?
How can harbouring a suspected rapist be considered a good result? Would you hold the same view if it was a member of your family claiming to be raped?
I'mARealWizard
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I guess because he's not accused of rape.
He's accused of 'consensual unprotected sex'. Which is a crime in Sweden. That's quite different to rape. I highlighted the relevant part to aid your understanding.
And the authorities found no case against him during their original investigation.
But for some magical reason, the case was mysteriously opened at a much later date with a different conclusion drawn.
I wonder why... :thinking about:
He's accused of 'consensual unprotected sex'. Which is a crime in Sweden. That's quite different to rape. I highlighted the relevant part to aid your understanding.
And the authorities found no case against him during their original investigation.
But for some magical reason, the case was mysteriously opened at a much later date with a different conclusion drawn.
I wonder why... :thinking about:
LastGarrison
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Is that right?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11949341
Now I see references to "suspicion of rape, sexual molestation and unlawful coercion". (I've highlighted it to aid yor understanding) but funnily enough not consensual unprotected sex.
I also see that the case was re-opened by the Swedish Director of Prosecution, that it has gone through our High Court and Supreme Court and they all deem he has a case to answer.
Are we jumping to the Yanks request? Yes. Should he not have to face charges? No.
I'mARealWizard
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I've never argued that he shouldn't have to face charges.
But why have the UK, US and Swedish Government refused to give assurances that he won't face extradition to the US on other charges?
Let's not even get into whether or not he is guilty. As far as I'm concerned, that's not the issue here.
And you don't appear to be the type of chap that is open to a discussion on points of view really :wave:
But why have the UK, US and Swedish Government refused to give assurances that he won't face extradition to the US on other charges?
Let's not even get into whether or not he is guilty. As far as I'm concerned, that's not the issue here.
And you don't appear to be the type of chap that is open to a discussion on points of view really :wave:
LastGarrison
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So why is it a result that he has been granted asylum in Ecuador so that he doesn't have to face charges the rape charges?
If he has other charges against him why shouldn't he have to face those charges also?
You're right whether he is guilty or not is a side issue a court(s) of Law have decided he should face such chages.
Really? I thought that is exactly what we were doing. And so far, I have yet to even call you a c**t.
If he has other charges against him why shouldn't he have to face those charges also?
You're right whether he is guilty or not is a side issue a court(s) of Law have decided he should face such chages.
Really? I thought that is exactly what we were doing. And so far, I have yet to even call you a c**t.
I'mARealWizard
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But it's never far away darling x
It all feels as though the US's sticky fingers are all over this.
From
-the re-opening of the case,
-to the interference by their political leaders (I thought judicial reviews and procedures were supposed to be impartial),
-the refusal to interview him in the UK despite offers (do they want to interview him, or to interview him IN Sweden?)
-The non guarantee of extradition to the US for non-related charges...
As Judge Judy says 'If it doesn't sound right, it's not'
LastGarrison
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So because it doesn't "feel right" you class that as a "result" that someone is yet to face the serious charges a Supreme Court has judged there is a case to answer to?
Is that the point you are making?
Is that the point you are making?
I'mARealWizard
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LastGarrison
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What was your point of this thread?
I'mARealWizard
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To keep you entertained sweetnuts x
LastGarrison
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You have swerved every single point I have raised on this thread. Why?
I'll tell you why because you started it without really thinking it through properly and were just jumping on the "ooh yeah it's cool to support Julian against those nasty Americans" brigade.
Try growing a backbone and having a little bit more conviction in your views rather than just following like a sheep because it's the cool "lefty" thing to do.
I'll tell you why because you started it without really thinking it through properly and were just jumping on the "ooh yeah it's cool to support Julian against those nasty Americans" brigade.
Try growing a backbone and having a little bit more conviction in your views rather than just following like a sheep because it's the cool "lefty" thing to do.
I'mARealWizard
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LastGarrison
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Why start a topical thread and then when someone has the audacity to disagree with your viewpoint and prove that you may be wrong do you then suddenly squirm and refuse to enter into debate?
Was it the bit where you found out the charges against him weren't 'consensual unprotected sex'? You know the bit that you so kindly highlighted to aid my understanding?
Don't believe everything you read on Searchlight.
Was it the bit where you found out the charges against him weren't 'consensual unprotected sex'? You know the bit that you so kindly highlighted to aid my understanding?
Don't believe everything you read on Searchlight.
I'mARealWizard
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If I'd found anything you said to me engaging in a welcoming way, I'd have bothered.
Please notice that you also didn't answer my points too.
But then again, I'm not the one that keeps coming back into a thread I didn't start x
LastGarrison
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My good god.
Grendel
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I think the Wizard has embarrassed himself. He made a comment without really looking at the facts and now that he has is resorting to humour to deflect your questions.
dutchman
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So if someone was taking refuge in a British embassy abroad you would be okay with that country doing the same?
Grendel
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I would if he was a suspected rapist, someone who leaked afghan agents locations so they could be slaughtered in the country they were trying to free and if said civil libertarian then started espousing the values of a banana republic just to save his own cowardly skin. Dead right I would.
If that irritating twat was, yes.
You might be disappointed if you re looking for quality debate tonight Dutch
scroobiustom
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Of more importance is why do American civil laws apply to non-American's, living outside of America?
If I carry a handgun down the high street, can I then champion American liberties and request extradition?
Also I think if Assange is guilty of these charges why wont Sweden offer guarantees over the extradition, or at least meet him in the embassy?
If I carry a handgun down the high street, can I then champion American liberties and request extradition?
Also I think if Assange is guilty of these charges why wont Sweden offer guarantees over the extradition, or at least meet him in the embassy?
Grendel
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Tell you what here is a quiz question for you. Which of these 3 counties has the worst human rights record:
Big bad America
Sweden
Equador
Go figure.
I'mARealWizard
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Correct me if I am wrong on this point, but I'm not aware of Sweden or Equador engaging in an illegal war in Iraq and invading Afghanistan because someone was allowed to fly into their buildings.
Grendel
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Answer the question - which according to amnesty has the worst human rights record of the 3?
oldskyblue58
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Grendel
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There are 6 articles of Human Rights Law that are considered the worst. Torture, slavery, liberty, freedom of movement, political freedom etc.
Most South American countries (including Equador) fail on atricles 19,13 and especially Article 3 Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person. The USA does not.
I'mARealWizard
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oldskyblue58
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Just find it disappointing, to say the least, that USA is even that high up on the Guardian report. I know the table is only a generalisation.
I think we sit here passing judgements (rightly) over the likes of Rwanda etc and tend to gloss over the fact that all is not necessarily rosey in the likes of the USA or our own back yard in different ways.
I think we sit here passing judgements (rightly) over the likes of Rwanda etc and tend to gloss over the fact that all is not necessarily rosey in the likes of the USA or our own back yard in different ways.
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Grendel
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43 executions in 2011. The truth is a lot of countries do not report the figures. China is in the thousands and the Middle East official figures are also far higher.
Personally I think I would enjoy my civil liberties more in the U.S than any of the above or the South American banana republics. What do you think would have happened to Assange if he leaked security secrets in Ecuador or preached from a balcony anti government bilge?
Nick
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I don't see why they just didn't go all top secret and get a bullet between his eyes without anybody even knowing what had happened like they do on Spooks...
I don't really know the ins and outs of it though, didn't he just publish stuff about the US that they wanted to hide that a soldier had got for him?
If he is accused of rape then he should face trial no matter what.
I don't really know the ins and outs of it though, didn't he just publish stuff about the US that they wanted to hide that a soldier had got for him?
If he is accused of rape then he should face trial no matter what.