Earlsdon (15 Viewers)

[JAM See]

Would you want her next door as your 5 year old plays in the garden? I doubt it

You are Sarah Gove and I claim my ten pounds.

Yawn.

 

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[Brighton Sky Blue]

great let’s get the tea and cakes out and give her a group hug

Well I mean not even the Americans are executing those proven insane

 

[Grendel]

You are Sarah Gove and I claim my ten pounds.

Yawn.

Why won’t you answer the question

 

[JAM See]

Well mr intellectual capacity I’ve asked 3 times if you’d want a child killer on release living next door to you.

Of course not.

What is your point?

 

[Grendel]

Well I mean not even the Americans are executing those proven insane

Has this person been proven insane? Would you ever want them to breath air again? Why mention America? Other countries have the death penalty,

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Has this person been proven insane? Would you ever want them to breath air again? Why mention America? Other countries have the death penalty,

America has one of if not the highest incarceration rates in the world and isn't shy at all about carrying out the death penalty. Even they recognise that an insane person isn't responsible for their actions in the same manner as someone with full awareness and understanding of what they're doing.

I don't know if she's been proven insane, you don't either. All Pete and I are saying really is to wait for that before demanding her to hang from the gallows.

Would I want to live next door to Ed Gein either no

 

[JAM See]

Knobheab gets involved in discussion.

Knobhead argues their point.

Knobhead realises that they've lost the argument.

Knobhead posts laughing emoji as a last resort.

How very trite.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

What a horribly sad thing to happen. What sort of situation would lead a woman to kill her own grandchild in front of his mother?

...insanity.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

No I’m saying someone who murders a child they it seems are related to has little empathy from me and I don’t want to see them ever in society again

Ok that seems fair enough

 

[Grendel]

America has one of if not the highest incarceration rates in the world and isn't shy at all about carrying out the death penalty. Even they recognise that an insane person isn't responsible for their actions in the same manner as someone with full awareness and understanding of what they're doing.

I don't know if she's been proven insane, you don't either. All Pete and I are saying really is to wait for that before demanding her to hang from the gallows.

Would I want to live next door to Ed Gein either no

If she’s not declared insane - which is very rare - Suttcliffe failed to convince a jury of that - what then? Still give her free board and lodgings?

 

[Grendel]

...insanity.

Wow has she been tried and incarcerated under the mental health act?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Wow has she been tried and incarcerated under the mental health act?

She was originally arrested on suspicion of murder and is now being held under the mental health act

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Wow has she been tried and incarcerated under the mental health act?

She's been sectioned

 

[Grendel]

She's been sectioned

which still means nothing until she stands trial if the CPS deem she is fit to do so . The rigour to defend the rights of a killer is frankly astonishing

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

which still means nothing until she stands trial if the CPS deem she is fit to do so . The rigour to defend the rights of a killer is frankly astonishing

Maybe it's the rigour to verify if someone is mentally ill or not when committing a crime so savage most here can't find a sane reason to have done it

 

[lordy_87]

Insane or not someone who has murdered their 5 year old grandson shouldn't be able to walk this earth. The world is better off without them.

 

[Grendel]

Maybe it's the rigour to verify if someone is mentally ill or not when committing a crime so savage most here can't find a sane reason to have done it

Do you think Peter Suttciffe was sane?

 

[Johnnythespider]

which still means nothing until she stands trial if the CPS deem she is fit to do so . The rigour to defend the rights of a killer is frankly astonishing

Ask yourself a question, what grandmother in their right mind would stab their grandchild to death. The answer of course is they wouldn't.

 

[lordy_87]

Ask yourself a question, what grandmother in their right mind would stab their grandchild to death. The answer of course is they wouldn't.

Ok they are insane maybe they can be rehabilitated but what stops then from going mad again?

 

[SBT]

Do you think Peter Suttciffe was sane?

Your encyclopaedic knowledge of violent killers combined with your regular bloodthirst for criminals is quite strange really. I wonder where it comes from.

 

[Grendel]

Ask yourself a question, what grandmother in their right mind would stab their grandchild to death. The answer of course is they wouldn't.

Rose west killed her own step daughter and Fred was happy to rape and murder his own children. Neither were considered insane in terms of the law

 

[Grendel]

Your encyclopaedic knowledge of violent killers combined with your regular bloodthirst for criminals is quite strange really. I wonder where it comes from.

Fred Dineage

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

which still means nothing until she stands trial if the CPS deem she is fit to do so . The rigour to defend the rights of a killer is frankly astonishing

That’s right but it says something about the situation

 

[Johnnythespider]

Ok they are insane maybe they can be rehabilitated but what stops then from going mad again?

I doubt there are any guarantees, I don't know if she's the grandmother on the maternal or paternal side but while our revulsion at this act may make it easy to seek revenge I'm not sure her son or daughter would want her put to death. We don't know all the facts yet and I've seen my mother go through a psychotic episode, it's horrible and getting the help required is not easy.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

which still means nothing until she stands trial if the CPS deem she is fit to do so . The rigour to defend the rights of a killer is frankly astonishing

Well to even be sectioned in the first place requires medical judgment. Can't recall it happening often at all in most murder cases.

 

[SBT]

Fred Dineage

We’ve had Peter Sutcliffe, Dennis Nilsen and Fred/Rosemary West references from you all in one evening - all very normal and not at all alarm bell-inducing behaviour.

 

[Grendel]

Well to even be sectioned in the first place requires medical judgment. Can't recall it happening often at all in most murder cases.

Suttcliffe?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Suttcliffe?

A man diagnosed as mentally ill?

 

[Grendel]

We’ve had Peter Sutcliffe, Dennis Nilsen and Fred/Rosemary West references from you all in one evening - all very normal and not at all alarm bell-inducing behaviour.

Oh I missed Dennis Radar. Arthur Shawcross. Ed gein isn’t really a serial killer - low grade and over blown

 

[Grendel]

A man diagnosed as mentally ill?

he was in brodmoor as criminally insane - but then a judge decided he’d well - made it up

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

he was in brodmoor as criminally insane - but then a judge decided he’d well - made it up

Does this murder strike you as calculated and pre meditated, or as a random act of senseless violence?

Our understanding of mental illness and accurately detecting it is I suspect more advanced than it was 40 years ago. You do strike me as someone stuck in the 80s in more ways than one

 

[Grendel]

Does this murder strike you as calculated and pre meditated, or as a random act of senseless violence?

Our understanding of mental illness and accurately detecting it is I suspect more advanced than it was 40 years ago. You do strike me as someone stuck in the 80s in more ways than one

With respect the law regarding this hasn’t changed and will be the determination of this persons fitness to stand trial abd will be no different than it was in the 80’s - or indeed the 50’s or 60’s - look at the controversy around De Salvo

I think someone whose obsessed with trade union power, the rights to down tools and power to the people is far more stuck in the eighties than me

 

[Corrado]

I have to agree with Grendel on this. Insane or not she does not deserve to live.

 

[Nick]

It was only a few weeks ago that poor kid in Birmingham was tortured and murdered.

Obviously anybody who kills is a wrong un but against a kid, it's just worse.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

With respect the law regarding this hasn’t changed and will be the determination of this persons fitness to stand trial abd will be no different than it was in the 80’s - or indeed the 50’s or 60’s - look at the controversy around De Salvo

I think someone whose obsessed with trade union power, the rights to down tools and power to the people is far more stuck in the eighties than me

Can you even stand trial while sectioned?

A bit bizarre really. About the only power left to unions these days is to strike and then only with over half the members consenting