Racism at the game (9 Viewers)

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SBT

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It's almost like Wilfried Zaha has more authority and credibility on anti-racist protests than a bunch of white guys on a football forum.

It would also be more helpful if people actually listened to the message Zaha and others are trying to send, rather than use their words as a convenient excuse for their own apathy.
 
Nick

Nick

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SBT said:
It's almost like Wilfried Zaha has more authority and credibility on anti-racist protests than a bunch of white guys on a football forum.

It would also be more helpful if people actually listened to the message Zaha and others are trying to send, rather than use their words as a convenient excuse for their own apathy.
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Yeah, he was against the actual "gesture" but not the meaning. Exactly what I have said.

Obviously, completely different if people are against the meaning.
 
shmmeee

shmmeee

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Nick said:
He said black players should stand tall, as opposed to taking the knee.

It doesn't make him racist.
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No he didn’t. He said he feels black players should stand tall. Nick, he explicitly says “there’s no right or wrong decision” and it’s “for me personally”. Comparing him to someone coming on here posting a thread saying we should stop or someone booing at games is disingenuous.
 
Liquid Gold

Liquid Gold

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SBT said:
It's almost like Wilfried Zaha has more authority and credibility on anti-racist protests than a bunch of white guys on a football forum.

It would also be more helpful if people actually listened to the message Zaha and others are trying to send, rather than use their words as a convenient excuse for their own apathy.
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Zaha definitely has credibility. So do the hundreds of other footballers of all races who continue to take the knee.
 
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SBT

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Nick said:
Yeah, he was against the actual "gesture" but not the meaning. Exactly what I have said.

Obviously, completely different if people are against the meaning.
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Zaha has repeatedly called for strong action to be taken against racism in football - he just doesn't take the knee to do so. My issue is with people who twist that into justifying their own view that the racism issue is overblown, 'divisive', or somehow 'politicised', and decide that because Zaha doesn't take the knee, that gives them the green light to ignore the cause entirely, to keep on doing nothing.

It's always interesting to see which black voices certain people are quick to amplify, and which ones they choose to ignore.
 
Nick

Nick

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SBT said:
Zaha has repeatedly called for strong action to be taken against racism in football - he just doesn't take the knee to do so. My issue is with people who twist that into justifying their own view that the racism issue is overblown, 'divisive', or somehow 'politicised', and decide that because Zaha doesn't take the knee, that gives them the green light to ignore the cause entirely, to keep on doing nothing.

It's always interesting to see which black voices certain people are quick to amplify, and which ones they choose to ignore.
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That's what I am saying.

There is a difference between saying "Taking the knee is pointless" and "fuck racism it doesn't matter".

Gesture / Reason.
 
Nick

Nick

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shmmeee said:
No he didn’t. He said he feels black players should stand tall. Nick, he explicitly says “there’s no right or wrong decision” and it’s “for me personally”. Comparing him to someone coming on here posting a thread saying we should stop or someone booing at games is disingenuous.
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I pointed that out because of the "it's racist if you don't agree" generalisation. You have mashed a few different articles together.

Of course it's different to booing, him feeling players shouldn't take the knee and stand tall though isn't much different to somebody saying they think the gesture of taking the knee is pointless BUT racism is an issue.
 
David O'Day

David O'Day

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WestEndAgro said:
Several teams are no longer taking the Knee, that doesn't make them racist, I believe it's pointless.
All off you getting your nickers in a twist are you still clapping the NHS every Thursday night 🤔.
The point has been made.
It raises awareness up to a point, but eventually becomes ineffective.
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Here he comes

Mate fuck off this thread as you'll just end up getting it locked
 
shmmeee

shmmeee

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Nick said:
I pointed that out because of the "it's racist if you don't agree" generalisation. You have mashed a few different articles together.

Of course it's different to booing, him feeling players shouldn't take the knee and stand tall though isn't much different to somebody saying they think the gesture of taking the knee is pointless BUT racism is an issue.
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I suppose it’s about how you express that opinion. If we’re all discussing it and you say “I don’t think it’s effective” fair enough. It’s randomly coming out with “when are we going to stop taking the bloody knee” that’s sus. At the end of the day our players do it and that’s their choice so let them crack on with it.

It’s a bit like how me saying my mate is black is fine. But constantly going on about how he’s black is offensive. Same base opinion, context matters.
 
WestEndAgro

WestEndAgro

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Just a thought but why don't all in favour of taking the Knee follow suit, then we will know who's racist and who isn't. 🤔
 
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PVA

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Taking the knee takes what, 5 seconds, 10 seconds?

It doesn't inconvenience anyone, it doesn't hold the game up, it doesn't affect the spectacle. There's only one reason why someone would want it to stop.
 
PUSB-We_are_going_up

PUSB-We_are_going_up

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I dont think it was racism, a guy got escorted out of my block for shouting abuse at the Stoke goalkeeper, I think it was about the keeper and his missus
 
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oscillatewildly

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PUSB-We_are_going_up said:
I dont think it was racism, a guy got escorted out of my block for shouting abuse at the Stoke goalkeeper, I think it was about the keeper and his missus
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Bloody right as well! - I mean hurling abuse. I'm pretty certain that there's something in the rules that states you can't bring the missus along to mind half the goal.
 
Skybluefaz

Skybluefaz

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SheafIsGod said:
Very interesting…

A blokes life could be ruined because of some false claims and the club wanting to score a few brownie points.

Unless they’ve checked the CCTV and there is obvious monkey gestures or something, one has to wonder how the club or police can say with absolute certainty that the supporter was racist.

Do they just take the word of whoever grassed? What’s stopping me kicking up a fuss and reporting the smelly bloke who sits in front of me for racism and getting him banned?
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Very interesting…

A blokes life could be ruined because of some false claims and the club wanting to score a few brownie points.
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You've gone from wanting monkey gestures on CCTV to validate a racism claim to just accepting the word of some poster on a forum. Feels like double standards.
 
David O'Day

David O'Day

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Skybluefaz said:
You've gone from wanting monkey gestures on CCTV to validate a racism claim to just accepting the word of some poster on a forum. Feels like double standards.
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The Stoke keeper was white as well so any one thrown out for racism is not going to be the same person thrown out for abusing him.
 
skyblueinBaku

skyblueinBaku

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David O'Day said:
The Stoke keeper was white as well so any one thrown out for racism is not going to be the same person thrown out for abusing him.
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I read somewhere that it was the goalkeeper sub that was abused during the warmup.
 
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