Evo1883
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The councils wages are below the market rate , it's quite simple , we are fighting to get to the market rate ..whilst retaining our working conditions
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The councils wages are below the market rate , it's quite simple , we are fighting to get to the market rate ..whilst retaining our working conditions
Nick
Administrator
Again though, you are comparing the hourly rate an agency driver gets that is higher which is normal.
Why are people so hesitant to just walk away and into a new driving job on much more money?
Nick
Administrator
What makes the council so special though that people would want to stick around rather than just walk away into a new job on much more money? This is what I can't get my head round.
Why go through the stress of it all when you could be in a new job by Monday on more money?
Evo1883
Well-Known Member
I'm not , I'm comparing permanent salaries .. the council pay below the market rate .
The only way the council could get workers was to pay them the market rate
David O'Day
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Has it fuck got real, this won't happen and Landsman bodied her on her using this for personal political victories.
Evo1883
Well-Known Member
I've already told you I wish to retain my pension , which is good
Nick
Administrator
But you are saying you don't want to leave the council for much more than market rate so surely they would still get staff?
Nick
Administrator
Not just you, other people who are striking. Why aren't they walking into much better paid driving jobs?
Evo1883
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They couldn't get the staff on the last recruitment drive , so they had to offer to put them to the top of the grade to get them .. that's what we all are fighting to get too .
Takes me 11 years to get to what somebody who started after me gets
Evo1883
Well-Known Member
Pensions , work life balance etc .. many reasons..
Nick
Administrator
Evo1883
Well-Known Member
The starting rate is around 5000 below the market rate .. the council have spent 1.8 million during this whole charade , could have been resolved with 250k
Nick
Administrator
It's not quite the sob story made out by some of the other people then? (you haven't given one so not aimed at you).
If I couldn't feed my daughter I'd be straight out the door into a new job on more money.
Nick
Administrator
I'm still confused though, you are saying the normal rate is £5k less with the council but people won't go to a new job because of the pension and work life balance. Are they not the same in jobs for £5k more?
Evo1883
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I can't comment on other people's situations .
I was semi content with my wage , I'm not content with somebody starting after me and skipping 11 years of work to get there , also getting more pension than me for the same years of service in the process
Evo1883
Well-Known Member
I've driven for many companies , most take the piss out of their workforce pushing them to the very limit of their driving hours , which in itself is wrong .. they do get more money than the council , several pounds an hour more , they work more hours , pull in more money but have a worse work life balance
Nick
Administrator
While I don't agree with colleagues being paid more for doing the same for less time there, not sure it can be compared to jobs with more hours, less benefits and a worse work life balance. That's why you get paid more for it.
What's that thing about more money for working near Christmas? Or was that bollocks from the council?
Evo1883
Well-Known Member
The council have had Christmas week off for over 30 years , the council offered a 3.5k payment to take that away from workers for life .
Unfortunately , seems many workers enjoy a week at home with their families at Christmas so declined it.
Which is understandable
rob9872
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Agree it should've been resolved by now but even if the reported 1.8m is accurate that's a one off charge. 250k is per year so 7 years to recover and if they simply caved in at the start, it's a bad precedent for any others considering action or the next time the same decision makers are in happy and think it will be easy, so whilst we'll past that point now, I'd assume initially at least, some of it is deterrent.
Evo1883
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Can't forget Rob, the council promised to get around the table 2 years ago to discuss wages .. which they failed to do.
This has been avoidable for atleast 2 years
We can blame the pandemic, but it didn't stop the council building new unnecessary offices on site costing millions during the pandemic
Nick
Administrator
So a much better pension than other jobs, a week off at Christmas, working less hours, full sick pay and wondering why it pays less than other driving jobs?
Surely it should be like for like, if you want the 5k more to take it to other jobs then you have the same working hours, pension etc as other jobs?
Sounds cushty. No wonder people don't just go and get a new job on 10k more.
Evo1883
Well-Known Member
I've already told you ACAS have advised the wage is too low for the job and responsibilities .
That's In comparison to similar roles
chiefdave
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Think this is being overcomplicated. If they are having to pay new recruits a higher rate because nobody will take the job then the existing employees should be given, at minimum, the same.
Not sure many people would be happy if they'd spent a decade in the job to find out newly qualified people were coming in on substantially more money than them.
Not sure many people would be happy if they'd spent a decade in the job to find out newly qualified people were coming in on substantially more money than them.
Evo1883
Well-Known Member
That's pretty much what we are after , to all be put on the top of the grade along with the new starters that they couldn't get to start without offering them the money
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Yep, stick to the argument about new starters coming in on more, that one runs!
Nick
Administrator
Yeah I agree with that.
So are the new recruits striking too? Are they asking for more too?
Marty
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Are the new recruits receiving the same gold plated pension is the real question here.
Evo1883
Well-Known Member
You can ask me I'm here , and yes
Evo1883
Well-Known Member
Absolutely
David O'Day
Well-Known Member
That's the way to win as sadly from speaking to people they are sadly on the main not on the drivers side, Also there was a rubbish drop off place in Wllenhall that had to remind people that the staff there are not council refuge workers and could people kindly stop abusing them.
The 2 tier wages with longer service meaning less is the best message to get out there as sadly most people seem to think you are just asking for a big wage rise for no reason.
chiefdave
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Unless I'm missing something the confusion is because some people are comparing the council to private employers where there are different terms and conditions.
The strikers aren't asking for pay to be matched to that offered by private employers, they're asking it to be matched to what the council is already paying new recruits and will have to pay to their replacements if the strikers were all to leave and work elsewhere.
Nick
Administrator
The actual statements etc don't seem to mention what Evo is saying.
Pretty sure it would be backed more if they just said pay people here for 10 years the same as 1 year.
"Market value" does seem to be comparing it across the board. The statements from the Union don't seem to be comparing like for like