Johnnythespider
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F me, she reads SBT
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Brighton Sky Blue
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Correct he doesn’t have any values full stop
skybluetony176
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He has claimed to have a not raise NI mantra. Promise No. 6 of of his 2019 campaign.
JAM See
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But Mr. Johnson has claimed that he 'Got Brexit Done"...
...despite the NIP.
The man is a charlatan, even floating voters like me can see it.
Johnnythespider
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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But he did have a mantra about not meeting people during a pandemic to protect the NHS...
Sky Blue Pete
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I don’t get the he delivered brexit! He hasn’t
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And it was a stupid thing to deliver anyway
Brighton Sky Blue
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Well he delivered it in the same way a pizza is delivered with all the toppings collapsed in the corner of the box
To most of the ignorant masses who voted for it he has though.
The majority of Leavers didn't understand what it meant or what it would entail. So as far as they're concerned we've left the EU so it's done. For them that's all there is to it.
shmmeee
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Ah it’s politicians not governing according to their self professed mantras you have an issue with. Yes o can see why you’re a Johnson fan.
Philosoraptor
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And this is the exact reason why this commission set up under the Blair Government will never work.
It will never be free from Government interference unlike the European Covention on Human Rights which is free from Government interference.
Again, as i have said before on here, one was setup to try to diminish the others reputation after a few lost battles by the last Labour Government over Human Rights.
BBC News - Rights watchdog 'should lose status' over trans row
It will never be free from Government interference unlike the European Covention on Human Rights which is free from Government interference.
Again, as i have said before on here, one was setup to try to diminish the others reputation after a few lost battles by the last Labour Government over Human Rights.
BBC News - Rights watchdog 'should lose status' over trans row
Rights watchdog 'should lose status' over trans row
Britain's human rights watchdog shouldn't be considered an independent group, charities tell the BBC.
www.bbc.co.uk
fernandopartridge
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Strangely though we've got a high tax bit yet a small government
shmmeee
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Its not strange. We have a chancellor who doesn’t understand economics.
shmmeee
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And this is the exact reason why this commission set up under the Blair Government will never work.
It will never be free from Government interference unlike the European Covention on Human Rights which is free from Government interference.
Again, as i have said before on here, one was setup to try to diminish the others reputation after a few lost battles by the last Labour Government over Human Rights.
BBC News - Rights watchdog 'should lose status' over trans row
Rights watchdog 'should lose status' over trans row
Britain's human rights watchdog shouldn't be considered an independent group, charities tell the BBC.www.bbc.co.uk
Very weird to blame this on Blair. I mean on brand, but weird.
Philosoraptor
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Not weird, common sense of what people have been saying since the commission was formed.
Hmmm, I’m sure he’s got a reasonable understanding, he just has a different ideology/view of it. The furlough scheme worked for example. He’s not personally responsible for the other wastage which he appears to have decided needs to be paid for. Whether you or I agree on his approach, or if you, I or he is right, we’ll have to see.
There’s been people on here saying print/borrow more money, inflation doesn’t matter…lets hope we can get a grip of it otherwise I think we’ll all see how much it matters, especially to the lowest paid/poorest in society…rather than those who built up a nice wedge during the pandemic
The jury on sunak is still out for me though
skybluetony176
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We’ve still got an inflation/cost of living crisis though despite not borrowing, printing money etc. On top the highest tax burdens in 70 years. It’s clearly not about ideology, it’s about competence and like everyone else in government he has zero.
The writing is on the wall, it’s austerity by a different name. The rich are going to get richer and the plebs are going to pay for it again after barely recovering from the last financial crisis. The country has been set up perfectly to replicate the 1970’s.
jimmyhillsfanclub
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Err....UK borrowing is higher than its ever been! 2021 borrowing was pretty much double the previous record high of 2008/9.
Its just a shame most of it has already been trousered by suits & spivs as opposed to have been properly invested in infrastructure, green jobs, education & health etc......build back better....my arse!
We’ve done more than our fair share of money printing, so has EU and US (The fed printed 7trillion last year) You don’t think printing endless amounts of new money and in the US case, giving out cheques to everyone (even people who didn’t need them) hasn’t had an impact in inflation ?!
There’s numerous other reasons for inflation; energy prices, demand post Covid etc etc. the government has limited (material) control over most of the key inflation drivers other than printing money - I acknowledge some of this was probably needed but since the financial crisis the West has relied on printing money and I honestly don’t know the longer term ramifications. Not sure anyone does. If all this is purely competence then the whole western world is fucked as we’ve all been doing the same thing
shmmeee
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Funny, everyone seemed to be happy with it until it started balancing womens rights
We’ll have to agree to disagree, but for me someone who thinks you have to “pay back” the money spent on covid immediately rather than treating it like a war or other rare emergency spending doesn’t understand macroeconomics.
Hes a Thatcherite, which is based of discredited nonsense like trickle down theory and Laffer curves. Here’s a good paper assessing Thatcherism on its own terms:1979 and all that: a 40-year reassessment of Margaret Thatcher’s legacy on her own terms
I’m sure he’s very good as finance, as shown by his bank balance, but that’s a very different beast from running a countries economy.
skybluetony176
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Other countries are doing something to help with the cost of living, specifically energy prices. Our chancellor has done nothing basically. Hiding behind the excuse of protecting investment. Not investment on the high street and small businesses. If people haven’t got expendable income they don’t spend it, simple as that. It’s going to effect every aspect of the economy from shops to service to tradesmen etc etc etc. They’ll be no trickle down economy and no trickle up economy either. This is bad economics whichever way you look at it. They should be taking VAT of energy bills (as they promised in 2016) if only for 12 months and review again at the end of that period, windfall taxes, and scrap the national insurance uplift of only for 12 months again. That’s clearly the countries best chance of keeping the recovery going. I have a mate who has a carpet cleaning company, already struggling to recover from the pandemic. He offers a household service and he’s shitting himself and not expecting his business to survive, he can see the writing on the wall. Heat your house with unprecedented rising energy costs, pay your mortgage with rising interest rates, buy food with unprecedented rising food costs etc etc or get your carpets cleaned while paying the highest taxes in 75 years. It’s not difficult to see what options they’re going to take when squeezed.
And invest in what exactly? He hasn’t even explained what they’re going to invest in. Is he doing this on the understanding that they invest in returning storage for example, so we’re not as vulnerable again in the future? Not as far as I’ve seen. Seems to me other than routine maintenance and already planned and costed infrastructure the only investment that they’re going to make is bonuses and dividends, no doubt the majority of which will go offshore to avoid tax.
Yet again we have a government who’s looking after those who in reality don’t need the help or at least are in the best situation to get through the next few years instead of looking out for the masses many of who are going to struggle to survive next winter. We already have a mental health crisis in this country and this isn’t going to help with peoples well being.
I was talking more about inflationary pressures which are worldwide
Ive said before I personally would’ve dropped VAT on energy although I acknowledge that would’ve helped those that don’t need help and also wouldn’t have made a huge difference to households at 5% (no more so that the other assistance provided). It would’ve ticked a Brexit benefit box, which are few and far between, so surprised they didn’t. I also said I’d have looked at energy windfall tax and said the government would maybe regret not doing this
My point about sunak was that it’s a bit early to make judgement on his economic views and policy as we’re operating in very strange times. I said I’m reserving my judgment
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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The saying is 'look after the pennies and the pounds will take care of themselves'
Unfortunately this government is 'look after the pounds and leave the pennies to fend for themselves'
I agree that you can’t look at pay back the pandemic cash immediately…we probably won’t ever. I don’t think Sunak has either though* ?! From what I’ve seen he’s just trying to get annual spending back to pre pandemic levels (NHS aside which is understandably getting billions more)
*edit - from what I’ve seen so far
shmmeee
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That would be fine if his government wasn’t elected on a promise of investment that’s been lacking for a decade and after a massive economic shift that requires huge investment.
I actually think a lot of his decisions have been based around wanting to cut Johnson off at the knees, but that’s another discussion.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Never quite understood why anyone would vote for Tories based on spending plans given their modus operandi is cuts so they can lower taxes.
shmmeee
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I know a few Brexit voters who did. We need guy in particular was very excited to get work welding in all the new hospitals that were going to be built.
There was a belief that it was a new Brexit Party and not like all those failed politicians of before.
I believe Johnson is a reasonably big state Tory compared to most of in the party. Whether he can deliver what he’d want post Covid I doubt.
As everyones noted though he didn’t actually have any type of plan around the slogans/soundbites though…the levelling up paper and opportunities from brexit should’ve been drafted and planned (cost benefit analysis) at the time of the last election, not two years into Parliament.
So far there has been plenty of tax rises and no cuts though
Terry Gibson's perm
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The cuts will come just before the best election so it’s all people going to vote will remember.
I think that’s the plan. If peoples living standards have been squeezed for two years (and unemployment rises - could happen if interest rates go up and businesses struggle with debt) I’m not sure it will sway people though