People have a very short memory come election time, sadly.
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People have a very short memory come election time, sadly.
jimmyhillsfanclub
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Would love to have seen the questionnaire before my arrests......
Would you like to get in the van?
A: with violence and abuse.
B: with sarcasm and violence.
C: with violence, sarcasm and abuse.
......gotta love the 90s....things will only get better!
Would you like to get in the van?
A: with violence and abuse.
B: with sarcasm and violence.
C: with violence, sarcasm and abuse.
......gotta love the 90s....things will only get better!
Otis
Well-Known Member
A questionnaire? 
What the hell!
What are the questions going to be?
1. Were you at the party?
2. Were you not at the party?
3. You didn't know it was a party?
Surely sending in a questionnaire just allows everyone to corroborate their stories.
Just go in there are question people.
What the hell!What are the questions going to be?
1. Were you at the party?
2. Were you not at the party?
3. You didn't know it was a party?
Surely sending in a questionnaire just allows everyone to corroborate their stories.
Just go in there are question people.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Saw a clip of Putin’s press conference after Macron’s visited. Speaking to the effect of ‘we know we can’t conquer the whole world but if Ukraine joins NATO then Europe’s at war with us and we all lose’.
Imagine if Mexico and Canada joined an anti-American alliance and started putting troops on the border. The US wouldn’t accept it. Continuously expanding NATO was always going to lead to something like this.
Yeah, there is a potential argument from Putin but as I’ve said before he will find an excuse for his actions either way. I just don’t trust a word he says. Ukraine are ultimately asking for assistance to protect their democracy/country and I presume there is only ongoing talk of them joining NATO due to the continuing threat from Russia (especially after Crimea).
Surely the answer is ‘you stop any threatening actions and Ukraine won’t be able to join NATO’ ? If that changes NATO will revisit its position.
Not ideal to reject a democratic nation but if it keeps peace
ps I say all of the above with hardly any knowledge of the situation/Russian history…just basing it on Putin and his historical actions
Liquid Gold
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Brighton Sky Blue
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Yeah, there is a potential argument from Putin but as I’ve said before he will find an excuse for his actions either way. I just don’t trust a word he says. Ukraine are ultimately asking for assistance to protect their democracy/country and I presume there is only ongoing talk of them joining NATO due to the continuing threat from Russia (especially after Crimea).
Surely the answer is ‘you stop any threatening actions and Ukraine won’t be able to join NATO’ ? If that changes NATO will revisit its position.
Not ideal to reject a democratic nation but if it keeps peace
ps I say all of the above with hardly any knowledge of the situation/Russian history…just basing it on Putin and his historical actions
Well it’s based on the agreement made at the end of the Cold War that NATO wouldn’t expand to countries east of the old iron curtain. Safe to say we didn’t stick to it
I was talking about what I was basing my views of the situation on. As I said, Putin may have a point and he will use that as his excuse because it gets a sympathetic ear but I doubt that’s the main reason for his actions
Brighton Sky Blue
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Well it’s historical fact rather than an excuse that NATO was expanded in a way contradictory to what was agreed. I don’t deny Putin if he had his way wants to resurrect the USSR but he also knows he can’t do that without being dogpiled by the rest of the world. He’s openly said as much on the latter.
If he’s being penned into a corner he’ll hit the button. We’ve installed NATO facilities on the Russian border and stationed troops there too. Really think how the US would react if it happened on their side.
Philosoraptor
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Meanwhile, in New Zealand.
Apparently he writes the songs that make the whole World sing!
Apparently he writes the songs that make the whole World sing!
New Zealand plays Barry Manilow to repel parliament protesters
Protesters opposed to Covid-19 vaccine mandates remain camped outside parliament.
www.bbc.co.uk
fernandopartridge
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I think at some point Labour are going to have to try and come up with some positive reasons to vote for them that aren't just being a reaction to the latest Tory scandal.
Grendel
Well-Known Member
Yes exactly. At the moment they have no appeal for floating voters other than to say they oppose everything from the Tories. Its obvious the gap will decrease every poll like as Labour are inert. Thatcher had (60%) poll ratings frequently and always lost council elections and bi elections but come the big day always won - she had 100 seat majority in her third term
Terry Gibson's perm
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I have just heard Johnson and Truss waffling on about the Ukraine, why is this our battle have I missed the French and German leaders saying about sanctions for Russia, I know Johnson is trying to shift thoughts away from his current issues but scraping with Putin isn’t the best way to do it.
It's not our battle and we won't do anything. It's all for show, as usual, with these idiots.
I’ve no doubt the government is playing up our role/influence but Germany in particular are keeping quiet because they have a huge reliance on Russian gas (even more so in future)…they didn’t even want to mention the Nord stream 2 pipeline in potential sanctions.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Starmer just isn’t going to cut through in the same way as the bumbling clown act with his 3 word soundbite. Replace him with a northerner and think of something like ‘Britain deserves better’ but with more zing
skybluetony176
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France has said it has to be part of any sanctions as has Ursula Von Der Leyen.
I’ve seen VDL indicate that it has to be on the table but I don’t think Germany committed to it and it would be their call (I believe). From what I’ve read Germany need will need their gas especially as they’re closing down their nuclear plants. I suppose we won’t know unless/until sanctions have to be implemented…hopefully we don’t get to that point though
I’d imagine the best way to get Putin to step back is for him to think sanctions would have a material impact on Russia (he holds energy cards in return though) and give him something to take back to the Russian people as a victory (I’d imagine this may involve Ukraine agreeing to park NATO application for time being at least)
skybluetony176
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If nothing else this whole ongoing saga shows the need for net zero. The west can’t be in the grip of someone like Putin who can hold the whole of Europe to ransom with Gas supply. Best thing that Europe (including us) can do is loose our reliance on gas. Net zero is the only way to achieve that.
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Or restart coal mining
skybluetony176
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Don’t think we have any infrastructure left to generate coal fired electricity.
You are well aligned with Nigel Farage on this one!
The claim that there was an explicit promise not to expand NATO eastwards is very much disputed. And in any case, comparing NATO and its relationship to Russia to some kind of “anti American” alliance gathering on the US border is so disingenuous it could have been pulled straight from the Kremlin daily briefing.
Brighton Sky Blue
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So it isn’t historical fact that NATO‘s expansion is breaking its agreements?
fernandopartridge
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The treaty allows for NATO members to invite any European state to join with some fairly ambiguous reasoning
Article 10
The Parties may, by unanimous agreement, invite any other European State in a position to further the principles of this Treaty and to contribute to the security of the North Atlantic area to accede to this Treaty. Any State so invited may become a Party to the Treaty by depositing its instrument of accession with the Government of the United States of America. The Government of the United States of America will inform each of the Parties of the deposit of each such instrument of accession.
David O'Day
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It’s not really an understanding if only one party believes it to be the case. Russia have periodically griped about the ‘spirit of the agreement’ when it’s geopolitically convenient for them to do so, but the reality is there was never any concrete agreement that countries like these couldn’t one day join if they chose to. Not sure why some on here are parroting the Putin line that it’s a “fact”.