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[Otis]

Must be so scary for Ukrainians out there.

Hope he gets them out safely.

 

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[PVA]

It's so sad. We thought we'd left these kind of events behind 80 years ago.

 

[Terry_dactyl]

It's so sad. We thought we'd left these kind of events behind 80 years ago.

Didn’t Russia invade Georgia about 10 years ago?

 

[David O'Day]

Didn’t Russia invade Georgia about 10 years ago?

They have been occupying part of the Ukraine since 2014 as well

 

[SBT]

Think about this ... Germany had the most advanced army in the world in 1939 .. Russians will fight to the death to protect their country .

It's a war best left alone

They wont just roll over, it's why the west always give them a wide birth and not countries like Iraq

You only have to look at Vietnam to understand technology doesn't win every war

I was listening to a fascinating talk on Nazi Germany’s war economy just yesterday. It’s an hour long, but well worth it. Long story short, it argues that Germany wasn’t anywhere near as advanced economically as its opponents.

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Back in 2015 at NYMAS - the fabulous New York Military Affair Symposium - I was invited to give a retrospective talk on Wages of Destruction.

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[David O'Day]

I was listening to a fascinating talk on Nazi Germany’s war economy just yesterday. It’s an hour long, but well worth it. Long story short, it argues that Germany wasn’t anywhere near as advanced economically as its opponents.

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Back in 2015 at NYMAS - the fabulous New York Military Affair Symposium - I was invited to give a retrospective talk on Wages of Destruction.

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It wasn't and it was doomed as soon as the US entered the war

Russia are unlikely to spunk the lives of 8 and a half million soldiers lives on this

 

[CCFCSteve]

Suspect China will now feel emboldened to steam into Taiwan.

This is far more of an issue/concern than Xi taking Russians side in a conflict he ultimately has no interest in. Our/the Wests reaction to this will probably determine Taiwans future

Ps thank god Germany sent an he Ukrainians 5000 helmets ! Let’s hope they’ve got some more balls when it comes to sanctions

 

[PVA]

Didn’t Russia invade Georgia about 10 years ago?

Of course but the whole pretext of this invasion is eerily similar to WW2 and the potential scale of it is bigger than anything seen in recent times.

(I'm not suggesting this is going to lead to WW3, by the way.)

 

[PVA]

Ps thank god Germany sent an he Ukrainians 5000 helmets ! Let’s hope they’ve got some more balls when it comes to sanctions

The helmets thing is a bit of a Daily Mail-esq headline.

I agree they have been weak but Post war Germany was discouraged from developing any military power. It's a bit rich for the countries that imposed that to now complain they are not showing military muscle.

Germany is also Ukraine's biggest donor.

 

[Ian1779]

The UK and US politicians have zero credibility in issuing sanctions to Russia when they continue to accept Russian money to fund their own interests.

 

[skybluetony176]

This is far more of an issue/concern than Xi taking Russians side in a conflict he ultimately has no interest in. Our/the Wests reaction to this will probably determine Taiwans future

Ps thank god Germany sent an he Ukrainians 5000 helmets ! Let’s hope they’ve got some more balls when it comes to sanctions

It’s us who need the balls when it comes to sanctions. Let’s see what happens. The government is very close to Russians who are considered security risks by British intelligence. Especially the PM who himself is considered a security risk by British intelligence because of his historical and current association with those oligarchs. That’s before you even go into how London is Russias laundry.

 

[skybluetony176]

The helmets thing is a bit of a Daily Mail-esq headline.

I agree they have been weak but Post war Germany was discouraged from developing any military power. It's a bit rich for the countries that imposed that to now complain they are not showing military muscle.

Germany is also Ukraine's biggest donor.

It’s also worth noting that the people of Germany are opposed to any military involvement preferring sanctions.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

The pressing issues of our time

 

[skybluetony176]

The pressing issues of our time

Russia is invading a sovereign country but kids eating healthier is everything that’s wrong with the world.

 

[David O'Day]

It’s also worth noting that the people of Germany are opposed to any military involvement preferring sanctions.

The Ukraine government are only asking for Military aid, sanctions and economic aid to rebuild post any conflict. They are not asking for any combat action from the West.

 

[Evo1883]

Alot of Russians living in Europe too , be mindful of that

 

[Liquid Gold]

I fear this is only going one way now. Putin´s comments are extremely alarming. Thoughts with them all. I really hope this doesn´t escalate any more, but it seems like one man has lost the plot and is thirsty for trouble.

My football manager is from Ukraine and he has gone back to get his family out.

Make sure he only takes them to the next safe country and not where he has built a life for them already.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Russia is invading a sovereign country but kids eating healthier is everything that’s wrong with the world.

The comments section is without any sense of irony criticising the headteacher’s hair when their idol hasn’t used a comb in his life

 

[David O'Day]

Alot of Russians living in Europe too , be mindful of that

What does that have to do with anything unless you are heading down the frankly fucked up WW2 view of seeing all people from one country as the enemy

 

[Evo1883]

What does that have to do with anything unless you are heading down the frankly fucked up WW2 view of seeing all people from one country as the enemy

No it's an interesting point , how would the thousands of Russians living in Europe react to armies of the countries they live in fighting their own country

 

[David O'Day]

No it's an interesting point , how would the thousands of Russians living in Europe react to armies of the countries they live in fighting their own country

they'd do what most people would do and follow it on the news

There's also a lot of westerners who live in Russia

 

[Evo1883]

they'd do what most people would do and follow it on the news

There's also a lot of westerners who live in Russia

A war won't happen anyway david .. nato will back off as always so it's all hypothetical

 

[David O'Day]

A war won't happen anyway david .. nato will back off as always so it's all hypothetical

Russia are more likely to back off. The Ukraine aren't asking for western/nato military intervention

The west will fuck the Russian economy

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Russia are more likely to back off. The Ukraine aren't asking for western/nato military intervention

The west will fuck the Russian economy

I take it the West will be deporting every billionaire and oligarch on their soil then.

 

[David O'Day]

I take it the West will be deporting every billionaire and oligarch on their soil then.

Josep Borrel was talking about seizing all their assests

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Josep Borrel was talking about seizing all their assests

Let’s see if it happens and if the Tories return all those donations.

 

[David O'Day]

Let’s see if it happens and if the Tories return all those donations.

Sanctions would be better placed attacking the actual russian economy. Sadly kicking an already very rich people out of a Mayfair flat isn't going to have my effect

 

[CCFCSteve]

The helmets thing is a bit of a Daily Mail-esq headline.

I agree they have been weak but Post war Germany was discouraged from developing any military power. It's a bit rich for the countries that imposed that to now complain they are not showing military muscle.

Germany is also Ukraine's biggest donor.

It was a bit tongue in cheek. They did however refuse to provide any military equipment to help Ukraine defend themselves potentially due to historical issues but also probably due to gas reliance (there was an interesting article in the times about Germany/Russian relationship in particular the gas supplies)

I agree with the other comments on here about us being strong with sanctions. I expect us to be freezing Russian assets especially if there’s any line of sight to the Kremlin.

 

[CCFCSteve]

The Ukraine government are only asking for Military aid, sanctions and economic aid to rebuild post any conflict. They are not asking for any combat action from the West.

Yeah, they can’t really ask for help from us militarily otherwise it would potentially turn into a nuclear conflict

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Yeah, they can’t really ask for help from us militarily otherwise it would potentially turn into a nuclear conflict

What if a full invasion happens? Would we still not intervene on the basis of a nuclear threat?

All is well and good saying ‘but he won’t’, yet if he does he’s in a position to invade from 3 directions.

 

[David O'Day]

It was a bit tongue in cheek. They did however refuse to provide any military equipment to help Ukraine defend themselves potentially due to historical issues but also probably due to gas reliance (there was an interesting article in the times about Germany/Russian relationship in particular the gas supplies)

I agree with the other comments on here about us being strong with sanctions. I expect us to be freezing Russian assets especially if there’s any line of sight to the Kremlin.

The have a long standing policy of not exporting "lethal weapons"

 

[CCFCSteve]

What if a full invasion happens? Would we still not intervene on the basis of a nuclear threat?

All is well and good saying ‘but he won’t’, yet if he does he’s in a position to invade from 3 directions.

I don’t think we can intervene militarily

 

[jimmyhillsfanclub]

I wonder if ther Germans will relent & finally give up on Nord Stream 2....... They've got a lot to lose either way.

 

[David O'Day]

It's not going to turn into a Nuclear conflict lads even Putin can grasp mutually assured destruction

also the wests nuclear arsenal is in far better knick than russias

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I don’t think we can intervene militarily

Then really he could conquer Ukraine without much security concern