Brighton Sky Blue
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Suppose he goes in and attempts a full invasion. What realistically happens next? Economic sanctions as the tanks roll on Kiev?
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Suppose he goes in and attempts a full invasion. What realistically happens next? Economic sanctions as the tanks roll on Kiev?
Grendel
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David O'Day
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while not being as big as the russian army the ukraine has a fucking large army and it is well supplied by the west. There are more regular Ukraine army personnel than Russia has camped on it's borders
It's not a US vs Grenada situation
David O'Day
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He has to fight a very large and well equiped Ukraine army. It's bigger than any EU states army and bigger than the UKs. If you add the reservists as well it is around a million strong.
While not as big as the Russian army it's no pushover and to properly invade the Russians are going have to throw most of their army at it.
The Ukraine army is also far better equiped than the Russians due to western aid.
It would likely be a long drawn out and bogged down conflict
Evo1883
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Russia have the most nuclear warheads in the world , more than every major western power combined, its not about how much they are polished
It would take more nuclear warheads to destroy Russia than it would to destroy western Europe for example .. ultimately they have enough power to destroy eachother if they wished
David O'Day
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Not it's about if they will work
But that has fuck all to do with MAD which is the knowledge that a Russian nuclear strike would result in a a massive western strike that would see both sides destroyed.
Evo1883
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Exactly so what does putin have to fear from western nuclear power ? Nothing is the answer
It's not even a realistic option
Brighton Sky Blue
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It happened throughout most of the Cold War despite a good number of ‘strong’ Western leaders. Though here the US is led by a senile fool, Britain is led by a clown impersonator, France by a man with ‘little man’ syndrome and Germany’s hands have been tied since 1945.
China may well be kingmaker
Probably. No one wants a war with Russia so it'll be a bunch of ineffective sanctions that the leaders will tell us are the strongest possible sanctions, maybe even a strongly worded speech from Liz Truss, and Putin will just carry on doing what he wants and from his speech yesterday it sounds like he wants all of Ukraine.
skybluetony176
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Like our government receiving large donations from Putin allied Russians, our government giving Putin allied Russians life peerages in the House of Lords, like our governments allowing London to be a laundry for dirty/stolen Russian money for decades etc etc.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Liquid Gold
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Would end up like their Vietnam/another Afghan. The Ukrainians are determined to resist and we will supply them without forethought of where those weapons are going to.
Brighton Sky Blue
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They are, but Crimea and the eastern regions are either already gone or would quickly switch sides and Putin can also easily attack from Belarus.
Unlike Nixon and LBJ he would have the backing of the public for this as well
David O'Day
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He has MAD to fear the simple fact that any nuclear strike would be met by a massive counterstrike which would end up with both sides being destroyed, Mutually assured destructions is the basic understanding that has kept humanity from blowing itself off the face of the planet
David O'Day
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Russian supporting factions only control a bit of even the regions say say they do.
skybluetony176
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Boris to announce sanctions latter. One early leak suggesting that he’s cancelled tomorrow’s tennis match with the wife of Putins former finance minister for Putin.
skybluetony176
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In other news it looks like Germany is suspending Nord Stream 2.
David O'Day
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NS2 is dead
David O'Day
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Seems that people didn't think that would happen
clint van damme
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Made me smile
fernandopartridge
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The reality is that the world major powers so integrated economically that there is really only so far anyone is willing to go.
skybluetony176
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It certainly throws down the gauntlet to other nations.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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What is that supposed to mean?
I can only imagine what Trump's response would have been to all this!
Which presidential candidate would you rather be running the US strategy here?
David O'Day
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David O'Day
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UEFA showing some balls as well
This is massive
I wouldn’t go quite that far. More parked. Important move though
David O'Day
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Ok dead for now and kicked well and truly into the long grass unless Russia changes tack
Yes it is really massive and even the Germans didn't believe their new government would have balls to do it
David O'Day
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Boris is leaking a good game let's hope he has the balls to go through with it
UK ministers say sanctions could target companies and individuals linked to the Russian government
Boris Johnson also says the UK could limit Russian firms' ability to raise capital on London's markets
He has suggested Western allies are looking at stopping Russian companies trading in pounds and dollars
Other measures Western nations could impose include restricting exports to Russia, or excluding it from the Swift financial messaging service.
UK ministers say sanctions could target companies and individuals linked to the Russian government
Boris Johnson also says the UK could limit Russian firms' ability to raise capital on London's markets
He has suggested Western allies are looking at stopping Russian companies trading in pounds and dollars
Other measures Western nations could impose include restricting exports to Russia, or excluding it from the Swift financial messaging service.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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I agree with your point about MAD, but it's looking forward to the endgame.
if we don't do something to stop him now, he'll just get more and more emboldened and push further and further until we do. We've already mentioned that the west has a much better army than Russia, so he can't win that way. At which point his only option would be to ask for help from other nations. Who would support him? China would want to stay out of it and if push came to shove would be just as likely to side against him.
So then what? He faces certain defeat and he knows it's all over. Is he just going to hole himself into a bunker and shoot himself in the head? Maybe. But I think he's just as likely to mchine gun everyone in the room, press the red button then shoot himself in the head. If he can't have it no-one can. I genuinely think he's that crazy.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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I agree it's about what they ACTUALLY do in the end.
A lot of 'could's' in that statement