Brighton Sky Blue
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Biden's net approval is as bad as Trump's was
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Biden's net approval is as bad as Trump's was
David O'Day
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and yet the fact he is not trump would still mean he would beat trump
skybluetony176
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Pretty weak really. I was hearing earlier that there’s a list of 50 pivotal oligarchs that handle Putins “money” and we’re targeting 3.
I mean, I like Bernie too, but I can also acknowledge that he's got a real vulnerability on this specific issue. He certainly wouldn't be my pick to lead the international response on this one. But he would be yours?
jimmyhillsfanclub
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Lets fucking hope so. Disgraceful its taken a war to achieve it.
David O'Day
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5 banks as well but does need to go further
I do agree you need hold something back though
Brighton Sky Blue
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Brighton Sky Blue
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Does it make him a good person to have in charge for some of the biggest problems of our time?
skybluetony176
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6% of the pivotal oligarchs is hardly going to hurt him though. We’re talking about billions and billions of pounds. 6% is nothing. That’s also assuming that these 3 are 3 of those 50. Already being suggested that they aren’t.
David O'Day
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skybluetony176
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For sure. My point is that when it comes to the oligarchs we’ve possibly held everything back. Just heard it suggested again that these 3 aren’t even on the list of 50.
His op-ed on the matter earlier this month made his position clear, and it was completely bizarre IMO. Not sure I'd want someone who spends so much time apologizing for the Russian POV being in charge of the West's response.
Biden is no foreign policy genius (see, uh, Afghanistan) but he does at least have experience and global credibility when it comes to foreign affairs. That's allowed this early response to the invasion to be a united one. For all the complaints you made about the current crop of leaders, the alternate universe of a Trump-Corbyn-Le Pen response to these events doesn't bear thinking about.
David O'Day
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If they really want to hurt Russians abroad they need to increase the tax on metallic coloured puffer tops and trainers
Brighton Sky Blue
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My main point is that regardless of the quality of politicians, many of the recent alternatives put forward by Western countries on both the left and the right have a dangerous blind spot where it comes to this specific issue.
David O'Day
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Pretty cross party
Grendel
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Trump would have just looked at the cost of any operation and said no like many American presidents
Biden heard Georgia mentioned. That woke him from his coma as he thought they'd invaded the US. He then went back to sleep
Kennedy would have nuked them.
Other than him - he was a warmonger and possibly Nixon - US tend really not too worried about what happens in foreign policy unless it impacts them
Brighton Sky Blue
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Grendel
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PVA seems to think the UK are responsible for stopping the Russian invasion and only we can stand against them
The fact is the whole of the West has always turned its back on the appalling genocide carried out on a daily basis by China. No one will be getting involved in this on any scale and neither should we.
The fact is the whole of the West has always turned its back on the appalling genocide carried out on a daily basis by China. No one will be getting involved in this on any scale and neither should we.
Brighton Sky Blue
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The West has turned its back on the Russian incursions into other countries already in progress. If a whole country is taken however we’re in uncharted territory
Grendel
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What would you do?
Do I? Where have I said that?
Surely you haven't taken 2 + 2 and made about 52639 again? That's not like you.
Oh so you have made 52639 from 2 + 2 then. Thought so.
I've posted three links today:
1 that listed the UK's sanctions as they were announced.
1 that said Germany is putting NS2 on hold
1 that states Putin has requested use of force abroad
All pretty important breaking stories.
In what possible world, apart from yours, does that mean I suggesting the UK is responsible for stopping the invasion?
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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So, the only way for Putin to back down is for Ukraine to completely demilitarise, thus leaving it totally open to Russia task forces (sorry, 'rebels') or invasion by the troops he's already sent into their country.
It's completely barmy.
Meanwhile, Liz Truss says we're 'prepared to go much further'. What's next? Are you going to call Putin a naughty boy?
It's completely barmy.
Meanwhile, Liz Truss says we're 'prepared to go much further'. What's next? Are you going to call Putin a naughty boy?
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Brighton Sky Blue
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Hold referenda on the territories under dispute under agreed terms to be carried out on the watch of an agreed third party
Grendel
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What would you want to do?
Grendel
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Oh wonderful and who would the agreed third party be - and say Mr Putin does not agree?
I'm not 'obsessed' with money given to oligarchs. Again you're just making stuff up.
But after promising strong sanctions for weeks when it comes to crunch time he's absolutely shat the bed, and we all know why, because he's totally in bed with god knows how many Russians.
I don't know what the answer is, but I know it isn't freezing the assets of 3 people who don't live in the UK and have been on the US sanctions list for 4 years.