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Sky Blue Pete

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Coventry City Supporters Forum
Minutes of the meeting on the 3rd of March 2022 @ 5.00pm

1. Apologies for absence
Jim Brown
Dave Busst
Pete Griffiths
Pat Raybould
Colin Power
Mike Garlick

2. Attendees:
Dave Boddy (DB)
Mark Hornby (MH)
Chris Halliday (CH)
Gordon Dando (GD)
Ray Stephens (RS)
Steve Maloney (SM)
Steve Harding (SH)
Laura Hartley (LH)
Dave Eyles (DE)
Kevin Greenfield (KG)

3. Discussion on submitted questions to Dave Boddy


Q1. Will the owners be able to agree a competitive budget for 2022/23 without significant player sales?
Model for CCFC has always included player sales/trades to improve the playing squad. If we don’t trade, we will not progress in adding funds to the playing budget and thus strengthening the squad. The Club would never under sell a player and has not done so in my tenure. This has always been the policy, but should not be interpreted that we would be looking to sell players in the Summer transfer window, and that will always be dictated by market conditions.

Q1b Will the funds generated from selling players go 100% into improving the playing squad? Money generated goes back into the funding of the Club. DB gave several examples where this has happened.

Q2. How much of an impact will the improvements required at Ryton have on the playing budget?
None. There will be no significant further investment, as the longer-term aim is to invest in a new training ground, i.e. laying new pitches. We will continue to invest in equipment, people and resources at the training ground.
Q2a. Will the Warwick University development include the first team training ground?
This has not been ruled out. However, other sites have been identified for the 1st team training ground. If anybody were to train at the University long-term, it is more likely that the Academy would be based there. However, there has been no discussion with the University about basing any training facilities at the University.
Q2b Does the club have any comments on the current state of the playing surface this season? Are there plans to improve the playing surface for next season?
The current pitch was in excellent condition prior to Christmas. With a heavy loading of rugby games either side of Christmas, the pitch has deteriorated in late January. The good news is there will be a significant renovation of the playing surface ahead of the 2022/23 season.

Q3. Is there any news on season ticket prices for 2022/23?
Yes. There is a Board call tomorrow (Friday) to sign-off the numbers for 2022/23. Season Tickets should be on sale in 7 - 10 days. The prices of the season tickets will remain very competitive.
Q4. Can the club clarify the positive impact record season ticket sales have had on this season?

Record season ticket sales for 2021/22 have helped to reduce the loss the club will make this season. Season ticket sales are the life blood of the club. The club’s new Customer Relationship Management (CRM) system is helping the club to work with the current 11,500 season ticket holders. Season ticket growth helped with increases in food and beverage sales for 2021/22. The target for 2022/23 is to hit the current season actual numbers of 11,555 and hopefully grow beyond that number.

Q5. Is there a reason for the lack of special offers on match tickets sales? Are there any plans to have any offers before the end of the season?
The new CRM system enables the club to target offers to specific supporters based on their attendance patterns etc. It is unlikely that Season Ticket holders will have been contacted as part of these marketing campaigns. There have been several campaigns run over the season so far that have been successful targeting supporters, including on the number of games attended. The club also wants to reward loyalty, so in future there will be offers for regular attendees as well and Season Ticket holders. Probably no specific match package for the final games, as the Club is already offering targeted offers to supporters based on their data.

Q6. Are there any plans to improve the queuing at the turnstiles for 2022/23?
The club is always trying to improve stewarding operations both outside and inside the stadium. Larger crowds unfortunately lead to longer queues to access the stadium on match days. It was pointed out that many supporters currently try to access their seats via the block numbers on their season ticket or match ticket even when busy. It is not fully understood by fans that they can enter via any turnstiles not just the turnstile number printed on the ticket. Hopefully this will be communicated more frequently on match days to help improve the queuing time. Overall, most fans on the call found the queuing times acceptable, but it was noted that it did really depend on how early/late you arrive at the stadium.

Q7. The fence running down the left-hand side of car park B appears to be creating more problems than it solves.
The current police position is they will not hold back away fans after the game. If more room is required to walk down the left-hand side, the club can look at this. The Police and matchday safety operation team both believe the fence and its location in Car Park B has been a very successful way to keep away supporters clear of our home supporters and ensure Sky Blues fans’ safety. We understand the issues for some parking in Car Park B and would probably look at relocating home supporters from this Car Park next season.

Q8. Observations from many supporters is that drug taking has increased inside the stadium this season. What are the club’s plans to address this?
The club, safety operations and the police are aware of the issue. Ultimately it the responsibility of the police to manage this on match days but the club is working hard with the authorities to improve the situation. Members of the group confirmed that this issue was happening at away games and home games and impacts on supporter’s match day experience.

Q9. Feedback from fans using the train and bus services from the city Centre to the stadium is that the transport system is very poor. What is the club view on this?
It was noted that West Midlands Trains have recently re-installed the two-carriage train between Nuneaton and Coventry. This was not seen as a real benefit due to the train size in relation to the number of people wanting to use the service. DB encouraged members of the group to lobby the relevant authorities and elected representatives for improved transport links to the stadium.
Dhillons (Sky Blue Tavern) - the pricing of the return ticket is an issue for some supporters. The group agreed to circulate the Dhillons, and the Albany club offers, to and from their venues, for next season more widely. The Club may be able to add this information to the match day guide.
Q10. Are there any plans to improve half time entertainment for 2022/23?
Due to Covid protocols, access to the pitch has been restricted this season, so no entertainment has been possible this season. Hopefully this will be back for next season.

4. HerGameToo – Laura Hartley
Laura led a short discussion on the ‘HerGameToo’ movement, her role as the Coventry Ambassador, and the recent Q&A held with Dave Boddy. (Minutes of which are on the CCFC website). The Luton Town game on Tuesday the 8th of March has been designated as a ‘HerGameToo’ game with the club.
All members of the group felt that the ‘HerGameToo’ initiative was an excellent new initiative. Members committed to share the HerGameToo information with their memberships. Laura was also invited to join the group permanently.
 

fernandopartridge

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Looking at the answer to Q1 and the one discussing the target to increase the number of season ticket holders from the historic high this season. It feels almost like emotional blackmail. Trying to get people to buy them now before they flog a prized asset later. Boddy just seems like a yes man.
 

Grendel

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Looking at the answer to Q1 and the one discussing the target to increase the number of season ticket holders from the historic high this season. It feels almost like emotional blackmail. Trying to get people to buy them now before they flog a prized asset later. Boddy just seems like a yes man.

Seems that way

now the club will have to sell key first team players to raise funds as opposed to academy players - selling then trying to replace with lower value players

Owners aren’t capable at this level
 

Skyblueweeman

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Seems that way

now the club will have to sell key first team players to raise funds as opposed to academy players - selling then trying to replace with lower value players

Owners aren’t capable at this level

Look, I think we disagree on Dave but are likely aligned further up the food chain.

But the model of selling our best players and reinvesting is nothing new so I'm not sure why you seem to think it is? It doesn't matter whether the key first team players have come from the academy or not - we've ALWAYS sold our best players to go towards balancing the books.

It's a fundamental business practice for every club - bar Utd, Chelski, Man City and Arsenal (and maybe a couple of other EPL clubs).
 

duffer

Well-Known Member
Coventry City Supporters Forum
Minutes of the meeting on the 3rd of March 2022 @ 5.00pm

1. Apologies for absence
Jim Brown
Dave Busst
Pete Griffiths
Pat Raybould
Colin Power
Mike Garlick

2. Attendees:
Dave Boddy (DB)
Mark Hornby (MH)
Chris Halliday (CH)
Gordon Dando (GD)
Ray Stephens (RS)
Steve Maloney (SM)
Steve Harding (SH)
Laura Hartley (LH)
Dave Eyles (DE)
Kevin Greenfield (KG)

3. Discussion on submitted questions to Dave Boddy


Q1. Will the owners be able to agree a competitive budget for 2022/23 without significant player sales?
Model for CCFC has always included player sales/trades to improve the playing squad. If we don’t trade, we will not progress in adding funds to the playing budget and thus strengthening the squad. The Club would never under sell a player and has not done so in my tenure. This has always been the policy, but should not be interpreted that we would be looking to sell players in the Summer transfer window, and that will always be dictated by market conditions.

Q1b Will the funds generated from selling players go 100% into improving the playing squad? Money generated goes back into the funding of the Club. DB gave several examples where this has happened.

Q2. How much of an impact will the improvements required at Ryton have on the playing budget?
None. There will be no significant further investment, as the longer-term aim is to invest in a new training ground, i.e. laying new pitches. We will continue to invest in equipment, people and resources at the training ground.
Q2a. Will the Warwick University development include the first team training ground?
This has not been ruled out. However, other sites have been identified for the 1st team training ground. If anybody were to train at the University long-term, it is more likely that the Academy would be based there. However, there has been no discussion with the University about basing any training facilities at the University.
Q2b Does the club have any comments on the current state of the playing surface this season? Are there plans to improve the playing surface for next season?
The current pitch was in excellent condition prior to Christmas. With a heavy loading of rugby games either side of Christmas, the pitch has deteriorated in late January. The good news is there will be a significant renovation of the playing surface ahead of the 2022/23 season.

Q3. Is there any news on season ticket prices for 2022/23?
Yes. There is a Board call tomorrow (Friday) to sign-off the numbers for 2022/23. Season Tickets should be on sale in 7 - 10 days. The prices of the season tickets will remain very competitive.
Q4. Can the club clarify the positive impact record season ticket sales have had on this season?

Record season ticket sales for 2021/22 have helped to reduce the loss the club will make this season. Season ticket sales are the life blood of the club. The club’s new Customer Relationship Management (CRM) system is helping the club to work with the current 11,500 season ticket holders. Season ticket growth helped with increases in food and beverage sales for 2021/22. The target for 2022/23 is to hit the current season actual numbers of 11,555 and hopefully grow beyond that number.

Q5. Is there a reason for the lack of special offers on match tickets sales? Are there any plans to have any offers before the end of the season?
The new CRM system enables the club to target offers to specific supporters based on their attendance patterns etc. It is unlikely that Season Ticket holders will have been contacted as part of these marketing campaigns. There have been several campaigns run over the season so far that have been successful targeting supporters, including on the number of games attended. The club also wants to reward loyalty, so in future there will be offers for regular attendees as well and Season Ticket holders. Probably no specific match package for the final games, as the Club is already offering targeted offers to supporters based on their data.

Q6. Are there any plans to improve the queuing at the turnstiles for 2022/23?
The club is always trying to improve stewarding operations both outside and inside the stadium. Larger crowds unfortunately lead to longer queues to access the stadium on match days. It was pointed out that many supporters currently try to access their seats via the block numbers on their season ticket or match ticket even when busy. It is not fully understood by fans that they can enter via any turnstiles not just the turnstile number printed on the ticket. Hopefully this will be communicated more frequently on match days to help improve the queuing time. Overall, most fans on the call found the queuing times acceptable, but it was noted that it did really depend on how early/late you arrive at the stadium.

Q7. The fence running down the left-hand side of car park B appears to be creating more problems than it solves.
The current police position is they will not hold back away fans after the game. If more room is required to walk down the left-hand side, the club can look at this. The Police and matchday safety operation team both believe the fence and its location in Car Park B has been a very successful way to keep away supporters clear of our home supporters and ensure Sky Blues fans’ safety. We understand the issues for some parking in Car Park B and would probably look at relocating home supporters from this Car Park next season.

Q8. Observations from many supporters is that drug taking has increased inside the stadium this season. What are the club’s plans to address this?
The club, safety operations and the police are aware of the issue. Ultimately it the responsibility of the police to manage this on match days but the club is working hard with the authorities to improve the situation. Members of the group confirmed that this issue was happening at away games and home games and impacts on supporter’s match day experience.

Q9. Feedback from fans using the train and bus services from the city Centre to the stadium is that the transport system is very poor. What is the club view on this?
It was noted that West Midlands Trains have recently re-installed the two-carriage train between Nuneaton and Coventry. This was not seen as a real benefit due to the train size in relation to the number of people wanting to use the service. DB encouraged members of the group to lobby the relevant authorities and elected representatives for improved transport links to the stadium.
Dhillons (Sky Blue Tavern) - the pricing of the return ticket is an issue for some supporters. The group agreed to circulate the Dhillons, and the Albany club offers, to and from their venues, for next season more widely. The Club may be able to add this information to the match day guide.
Q10. Are there any plans to improve half time entertainment for 2022/23?
Due to Covid protocols, access to the pitch has been restricted this season, so no entertainment has been possible this season. Hopefully this will be back for next season.

4. HerGameToo – Laura Hartley
Laura led a short discussion on the ‘HerGameToo’ movement, her role as the Coventry Ambassador, and the recent Q&A held with Dave Boddy. (Minutes of which are on the CCFC website). The Luton Town game on Tuesday the 8th of March has been designated as a ‘HerGameToo’ game with the club.
All members of the group felt that the ‘HerGameToo’ initiative was an excellent new initiative. Members committed to share the HerGameToo information with their memberships. Laura was also invited to join the group permanently.

Thanks for taking the time to post the update Pete. Regardless of opinions on the specifics, at least the club are talking to us!
 

SBT

Well-Known Member
Drug use in the stadium? Not our problem, get the police to handle it.

Travel to the ground? Not our problem, get Dhillons to handle it.

Half time entertainment? Not our problem, it’s Covid restrictions (?)

Just an incredibly deflating attitude to running a business that people really care about.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
Look, I think we disagree on Dave but are likely aligned further up the food chain.

But the model of selling our best players and reinvesting is nothing new so I'm not sure why you seem to think it is? It doesn't matter whether the key first team players have come from the academy or not - we've ALWAYS sold our best players to go towards balancing the books.

It's a fundamental business practice for every club - bar Utd, Chelski, Man City and Arsenal (and maybe a couple of other EPL clubs).

We have previously been able to find transfers by selling assets who weren’t actually regular first team players or we loaned them back anyway

so now we sell say Hamer repay some money back to bond holders and a portion to replace

it’s nothing like how other clubs operate
 

Skyblueweeman

Well-Known Member
We have previously been able to find transfers by selling assets who weren’t actually regular first team players or we loaned them back anyway

so now we sell say Hamer repay some money back to bond holders and a portion to replace

it’s nothing like how other clubs operate

Are you kidding me?! It's how EVERY club bar the top few operate. Sponsorship, TV Money, Owner investment is not the only way clubs can survive. If your best players are playing well - they're going to attract attention of better teams who will want to sign them. Often these players are sold and a proportion of that revenue goes into club costs and/or replacements. That's basic stuff - I'm genuinely baffled you're questionning that.

Who have we sold, that wasn't a first team regular, that fans have their knickers in a twist over and that we've used that money to re-invest??

Any players we sell that make money, people (rightly but wrongly at the same time) moan about - Wilson, Davenport, Kirkland, Keane, Dublin, MacAllister, Babb, Dann, Fox, Maddison - there's lots more.

Are you saying these weren't 1st teamers? Did we not use some of the money garnered from those transfers to help run the club and/or bring in replacements?
 
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Are you kidding me?! It's how EVERY club bar the top few operate. Sponsorship, TV Money, Owner investment is not the only way clubs can survive. If your best players are playing well - they're going to attract attention of better teams who will want to sign them. Often these players are sold and a proportion of that revenue goes into club costs and/or replacements. That's basic stuff - I'm genuinely baffled you're questionning that.

Who have we sold, that wasn't a first team regular, that fans have their knickers in a twist over and that we've used that money to re-invest??

Any players we sell that make money, people (rightly but wrongly at the same time) moan about - Wilson, Davenport, Kirkland, Keane, Dublin, MacAllister, Babb, Dann, Fox, Maddison - there's lots more.

Are you saying these weren't 1st teamers? Did we not use some of the money garnered from those transfers to help run the club and/or bring in replacements?
I guess it's what, if any, is taken to repay owners' debts and interest is what grates with me, if it turns out some is taken. I can be realistic, and accept we have to sell high, buy low, and keep some of the profit in between for running the club.

Anything taken out to repay owners' debts makes that so much harder, though... and it's hard enough already.
 

Skyblueweeman

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I guess it's what, if any, is taken to repay owners' debts and interest is what grates with me, if it turns out some is taken. I can be realistic, and accept we have to sell high, buy low, and keep some of the profit in between for running the club.

Anything taken out to repay owners' debts makes that so much harder, though... and it's hard enough already.

Yeah, that's fair. At the same time though, if the debt is accrued on what they've put into the club, they have a right to get it back at some point - and that's without getting into what our owners have actually put in.

If it's paying off interest, that is annoying and rightly grates though.

Unfortunately though, we don't have owners like Roman who are seemingly happy to write off £1.5bn owed!
 
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At the same time though, if the debt is accrued on what they've put into the club, they have a right to get it back at some point - and that's without getting into what our owners have actually put in.
That's my issue full-stop though, using *our* club as an investment vehicle. And yes, other owners do it too, but the basic premise should be if it fails in terms of on pitch success, you should probably cut your losses.

Other owners doing it too doesn't make it right, for a sports club.
 

Samo

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So nobody asked about investment and MR's remarks about it?
 

SlowerThanPlatt

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Q2. How much of an impact will the improvements required at Ryton have on the playing budget?
None. There will be no significant further investment, as the longer-term aim is to invest in a new training ground, i.e. laying new pitches. We will continue to invest in equipment, people and resources at the training ground.

Interesting, we have gathered Dave’s and MR’s
definition of “significant” differs, does this mean the request for refurbishment of the training pitches at Ryton has fallen on deaf ears?
 

SBT

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Q2a. Will the Warwick University development include the first team training ground?
This has not been ruled out. However, other sites have been identified for the 1st team training ground. If anybody were to train at the University long-term, it is more likely that the Academy would be based there. However, there has been no discussion with the University about basing any training facilities at the University.

Was there any discussion of the current progress with the new stadium?
 

Grendel

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Are you kidding me?! It's how EVERY club bar the top few operate. Sponsorship, TV Money, Owner investment is not the only way clubs can survive. If your best players are playing well - they're going to attract attention of better teams who will want to sign them. Often these players are sold and a proportion of that revenue goes into club costs and/or replacements. That's basic stuff - I'm genuinely baffled you're questionning that.

Who have we sold, that wasn't a first team regular, that fans have their knickers in a twist over and that we've used that money to re-invest??

Any players we sell that make money, people (rightly but wrongly at the same time) moan about - Wilson, Davenport, Kirkland, Keane, Dublin, MacAllister, Babb, Dann, Fox, Maddison - there's lots more.

Are you saying these weren't 1st teamers? Did we not use some of the money garnered from those transfers to help run the club and/or bring in replacements?

Maddison had played 16 games when we sold him and loaned back same as McCallum we’ve funded predominantly on young players who made few first team appearances and were then able to transact successfully as we were in leagues where the money we had could buy quality players

our net fees on transfers in to oit Since Sisu has been here is absolutely huge.

You say money goes into club costs - er I think you’ll find that the money is partly used to support an investment portfolio

The club doesn’t have owner investment - it has portfolio investors who loan money, no one knows who they are and tie the club in huge interest rate loans - they couldn’t care less about the club

Also forgive me if I’m not too sympathetic for “Dave” after all he was more than happy to mine the club which resulted in less revenue and high rental costs. Covid levelled the league a bit but Boddy and co I don’t think saw that coming so we’re fully prepared to wipe available revenue streams - not exactly great practice

The six fields attempt failed and we had eu sell significantly purely to survive leading eventually to another relegation

the Birmingham attempt failed and again high costs, more loans less assets

this is a car crash and it purely relies on the club holding its own in the league it’s in. We now have more loans pumped in, an EFL loan to pay off, a higher wage bill, owners who refused to put any direct money in. Sisu pulled the plug significantly before - twice - and Both times we were relegated

I don’t think a few empty words from our Dave convinces me it couldn’t happen again In a heart beat
 

Grendel

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Grendel will be out with David Johnson saying all the money is going to Joy's handbag.

Massive U turn, almost Italia like.

Sorry? This was my opinion 7 years ago.

 

Colin Steins Smile

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Thanks for your notes on the meeting. One thing that I've taken from this is.....despite having 11,555 season ticket holders and gates higher than projected. The club will still make a loss.
 

Nick

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Sorry? This was my opinion 7 years ago.


You don't need to apologise, as I said it's almost Italia like.

There are plenty who were "first teamers" and not just through the academy Tabb, McNulty, Chaplin, Vincelot, Leon Clarke, Keogh, Jutkeiwicz, Gunnarsson, Dann, Fox, Best. Even Robbie fucking Simpson.

It is shit and not a great advert for season tickets but it's not just us who sell key players. The thing is if we have to then we need to make sure we aren't selling them for a pittance.
 

shmmeee

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Ultimately the player sales thing is a red herring anyway. Our issue is the wage budget isn’t high enough to provide a full squad. I’d hope we aren’t paying wages by selling assets as that’s unsustainable, we need to know what the club are doing to improve owner funding or revenue generally to provide a Championship level squad to Robins.

If we need say another £2m in wages is Boddy saying we’ll need to average £2m more in player sales per season? If so then selling say Hamer for £4m won’t even cover the three year contracts let alone a replacement and some off the top for investors.

The club fundamentally isn’t yet set up for this level, are the club aware of this and what’s the plan to fix it?
 

Skyblueweeman

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You don't need to apologise, as I said it's almost Italia like.

There are plenty who were "first teamers" and not just through the academy Tabb, McNulty, Chaplin, Vincelot, Leon Clarke, Keogh, Jutkeiwicz, Gunnarsson, Dann, Fox, Best. Even Robbie fucking Simpson.

It is shit and not a great advert for season tickets but it's not just us who sell key players. The thing is if we have to then we need to make sure we aren't selling them for a pittance.

Yeah but don't let facts get in the way opinion.

Ludicrous!
 
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skybluesam66

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Every team sells players, and if the price is right, their best players
That is why the best players ultimately play for the best clubs
Grendel just being Grendel
 

Sky Blue Pete

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Maddison had played 16 games when we sold him and loaned back same as McCallum we’ve funded predominantly on young players who made few first team appearances and were then able to transact successfully as we were in leagues where the money we had could buy quality players

our net fees on transfers in to oit Since Sisu has been here is absolutely huge.

You say money goes into club costs - er I think you’ll find that the money is partly used to support an investment portfolio

The club doesn’t have owner investment - it has portfolio investors who loan money, no one knows who they are and tie the club in huge interest rate loans - they couldn’t care less about the club

Also forgive me if I’m not too sympathetic for “Dave” after all he was more than happy to mine the club which resulted in less revenue and high rental costs. Covid levelled the league a bit but Boddy and co I don’t think saw that coming so we’re fully prepared to wipe available revenue streams - not exactly great practice

The six fields attempt failed and we had eu sell significantly purely to survive leading eventually to another relegation

the Birmingham attempt failed and again high costs, more loans less assets

this is a car crash and it purely relies on the club holding its own in the league it’s in. We now have more loans pumped in, an EFL loan to pay off, a higher wage bill, owners who refused to put any direct money in. Sisu pulled the plug significantly before - twice - and Both times we were relegated

I don’t think a few empty words from our Dave convinces me it couldn’t happen again In a heart beat
What would you see as progress? Must be so hard having such a half empty glass constantly and I’m sure you aren’t like this in other areas of your life
 

Samo

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Might be wrong but weren't those remarks after this forum or certainly after questions were already submitted?

No they were not Frostie, in fact i suggested the question on the thread asking for questions. MR's remarks were many weeks ago.

To me its the biggest question of all and yet people are more concerned that someone may have blazed up in the stadium! Weird!
 

Frostie

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No they were not Frostie, in fact i suggested the question on the thread asking for questions. MR's remarks were many weeks ago.

To me its the biggest question of all and yet people are more concerned that someone may have blazed up in the stadium! Weird!

Apologies, I thought you were specifically referring to this:

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clint van damme

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You don't need to apologise, as I said it's almost Italia like.

There are plenty who were "first teamers" and not just through the academy Tabb, McNulty, Chaplin, Vincelot, Leon Clarke, Keogh, Jutkeiwicz, Gunnarsson, Dann, Fox, Best. Even Robbie fucking Simpson.

It is shit and not a great advert for season tickets but it's not just us who sell key players. The thing is if we have to then we need to make sure we aren't selling them for a pittance.

No we're not the only ones who sell, but most haven't gt a squad as thread bare as ours with players on the bench whose only chance of playing is a spate of catastrophic injuries.
 

clint van damme

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What would you see as progress? Must be so hard having such a half empty glass constantly and I’m sure you aren’t like this in other areas of your life

Our bench the other night contained Reid, Howley and Dinanga. Thats not a recipe for progress.
People can cite injuries but we've not got that many. But even a couple really hurt us.
 

skybluesam66

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We are talking progress - look over the last 5 years, we have gone from a squad worth probably £1m to a squad worth probaby £25m with the wages to match . We can progress further . Yes we could have gambled a bit more in january, but whilst we continue on our upwards trajectory all looks good
 

Saddlebrains

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So if we look past the spiel

- One of the crown jewels will be sold irrelevant if we sell fucking 25k ST's, hardly a ringing endorsement
- They couldn't care less that the fence causes more violence than it solves
- The police can't be arsed to deal with the drug issue
- Rytons being left to rot

First time in a while I've thought they can fuck themselves
 

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