Jodi Jones (4 Viewers)
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fernandopartridge
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He's done ok in his cameos this season but that might be looking through a very narrow lens.
chiefdave
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Jones and Shipley must be on a lot more money than I thought given the number of people who think if we move them both on in the summer it frees up wages for 2 potential first team starters to come in.
Def not saying they should both be offered new contracts but I'm not sure moving one or both on is really going to free up a significant amount of money. All helps of course but looking at our bench in a lot of games we've been very short of options. Need to make sure if players are being moved out we have better players lined up to replace them.
Def not saying they should both be offered new contracts but I'm not sure moving one or both on is really going to free up a significant amount of money. All helps of course but looking at our bench in a lot of games we've been very short of options. Need to make sure if players are being moved out we have better players lined up to replace them.
skyblue025
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Trouble is we don't play a formation that suits Jodi. He's a wide player who can go inside or outside to cross or shoot. With the narrow midfield we play it's not his best position. Unless MR decides to switch to playing wingers again next season sadly I think we should release him.
SkyblueDad
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Might be wrong but think there is a one year option on his contract and I’m sure he’s not on a massive wage so bearing in mind quality squad depth I wouldn’t be surprised he stays another season, his current injury I believe is minor and nothing to do with his ACLs. Needs some decent game time though.
better days
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Robins has said there is an option but I've heard that was incorrect and the contract expires at the end of June
Sky Blue Pete
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No way he gets a new contract in my opinion and I also think he’ll struggle to get a club above league 2. Hope he does though - great attitude and resilience
KenilworthSkyBlue
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I don't think anyone is saying that in all fairness.
I think most would be in agreement that the more room for manoeuvre Robins receives in the upcoming window the better. In order to do that as many of the bomb squad need to be moved on as possible.
So, keeping players such as Jones just because we've got a small squad is pointless really, especially when they're not even playing even in spite of all the injuries/illness/fatigue.
Also, whilst the individual wages for some might seem nominal individually, (E.g. Jones, Pask, Drysdale, Shipley) moving these players on en-masse would at the very least contribute to Robins/Badlan being able to bring in a permanent/loan addition who can actually make a meaningful contribution on the pitch next season.
We've had a real issue this year with regards to the amount of players under contract who are making little to no contribution on the pitch. Couple that with players falling out of favour it really does impede our ability to recruit.
With pretty much all of the bomb squad bar Kelly with one year or less on their contracts it really gives Robins/Badlan a chance to clear the decks this summer, which will help towards addressing the lack of depth issue.
The Philosopher
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Two minds on this.
One mind - simple - free up wages and good luck.
Other mind - he’s talented and 23. He will only be offered L2 money elsewhere I would suggest so offering him a low contract on a back-to-back loan deal might work.
EG. 1 year deal with 1 year option in our favour. (He might not get given a better option elsewhere due to his injury record.)
A L2 club to pay us his wages on loan.
If he aces the division we will have the ability to recall or command a fee.
If we simply release and he does a JCH and becomes a 1m player in a year (at 24) then we would kick ourselves.
Those my musings.
One mind - simple - free up wages and good luck.
Other mind - he’s talented and 23. He will only be offered L2 money elsewhere I would suggest so offering him a low contract on a back-to-back loan deal might work.
EG. 1 year deal with 1 year option in our favour. (He might not get given a better option elsewhere due to his injury record.)
A L2 club to pay us his wages on loan.
If he aces the division we will have the ability to recall or command a fee.
If we simply release and he does a JCH and becomes a 1m player in a year (at 24) then we would kick ourselves.
Those my musings.
KenilworthSkyBlue
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No club would spend £1m on a L2 player who's suffered 3 successive ACLs.
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And if we worry about squad depth, then Jones gives some squad depth.
Who else is going to come in as third choice?
fernandopartridge
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Yeah
Grendel
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looking at the accounts Shipley definitely my would have had a 30% plus pay rise on promotion and already had signed a new deal
KenilworthSkyBlue
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That doesn't really count as squad depth though does it? If anything all it really is, is another body to throw in as a last resort.
But if that's a concern then surely we may as well just use an U23 as third choice? They're just as likely not to play and it's less of an overhead than retaining Jones.
Also, is that really what Jones wants for his career? Another year of not playing unless there's an injury crisis?
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I'd love to know who people think we should be bringing in as third choice players, then?
I mean, they're breaking down the doors with the sales pitch that you can be second backup for Coventry City!
That's what I expect the third choices to be. Not so sure about overheads (I suspect Jones is on a similar contract), but offering a path for the better ones to actually get the occasional game. But, that doesn't mean squad depth is poor if that's what we have, that means we have a progressive system to grow the club.
That's a very different argument, though.
KenilworthSkyBlue
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They're not officially 'third choice' though? They'd predominantly play and develop in the U23 squad and likely train with the first team squad. It's not really any different than Tavares' current role.
Not sure why that'd suddenly be an issue with regards to being able to recruit these types of players.
The Philosopher
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My thoughts were to cover him on L2 wages and loan him out. If he excels then recall at Xmas if we can create a deal to do so.
Sky Blue Pete
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Can’t be anything other than a mutual love in release in the summer to make it as easy as possible for him to get another professional contract elsewhere
SkyBlueMatt
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It's a good point but I think this season was the chance for him to make it back into the first team. With the squad depth we've had this year and he still hasn't had much game time, I think that says it all.
The club have done right by him. Kept him on the books, allowed him time to recover whilst hoping he will become an asset for us. I think it's time to move on. If he's not going to play, we have to re-invest those wages.
SeaSeeEffCee
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Can’t see us offering him a new deal
fernandopartridge
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Indeed, and I don't think he'd necessarily sign one if he wasn't going to play. He's barely played for 5 years now.
SlowerThanPlatt
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Last league start in 2017 I think
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And people keep saying how weak the squad is when we've got filler in it. Signing Rochdale filler is not going to have them change their mind on that.
KenilworthSkyBlue
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How many Championship clubs have 3 players in every position?
You're regurgitating rubbish.
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Well I'm totally lost by your argument tbh. Crrect me if I'm wrong, but you appear to be saying we can get better for cheaper than Jones as a third choice player.
He's got another decade in the game if he keeps fit, so he's not exactly past it, his injury past means he won't cost the earth, and the alternatve is reserves from the likes of Rochdale or current youth system. Now, personally I'd like to see the youngsters given a chance now and again but... you appeared to take issue with me when I said that that wouldn't satisfy some people who say our squad is too weak.
I'm really not sure what you're arguing with me tbh! It appears to be utter gibberish!
KenilworthSkyBlue
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You're the one that's lost? I'm not the one that seems to be throwing their toys out the pram over the fact we haven't got a third choice CAM?
Fair enough if you want to keep Jones but I just don't see how it benefits club or player.
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What on earth are you rambling about?!? Throwing toys out the pram is suggesting we wouldn't get a better or cheaper third choice?!?
CovBrummie94
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It's time to move on for both him and the club. Hopefully he finds a good club in League 2 where he can excel.
KenilworthSkyBlue
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I just can't understand why you're so focused on us needing a third choice.
Equally, and I'll say again, why would Jones want to be third choice next season when he's approaching 24 and desperately needs to get his career back on track?
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Again, focussed?!?
I'll repeat, for your second point, that's a totally different argument to the rest of it.
You appear to be determined to argue with me there when I'm agreeing with you! That's not particularly Astute.
KenilworthSkyBlue
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We don't agree at all as I don't think there's any sense whatsoever in keeping Jones for another year and you seem to think otherwise.
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FFS!
Im telling you that's a different argument to the rest of it, and I agree with you there, and you want to argue that we don't agree! I'm not even getting into the rest of it, as unlike methuselah I don't have all eternity.
shmmeee
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Youre pushing this third choice thing a lot, but we do often play with two AMs, so a third would be first choice reserve in many cases.