Jimmy Saville Doc on Netflix (4 Viewers)

[Nick]

Anybody watched it yet?

 

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[Ccfcisparks]

On the second episode now. Seems to be clips never shown before. As someone who grew up after his time, i struggle to understand how people who grew up with him did not find him creepy as fuck and a dodgy bastard even back then.

 

[Nick]

On the second episode now. Seems to be clips never shown before. As someone who grew up after his time, i struggle to understand how people who grew up with him did not find him creepy as fuck and a dodgy bastard even back then.

When you watch some of the clips back, it's as if he was almost mocking it as well.

Same with those Louis Theroux ones.

 

[Grendel]

On the second episode now. Seems to be clips never shown before. As someone who grew up after his time, i struggle to understand how people who grew up with him did not find him creepy as fuck and a dodgy bastard even back then.

People thought he was a weirdo but probably more as an a sexual oddball who lived with and was obsessed with his mum

 

[Ccfcisparks]

People thought he was a weirdo but probably more as an a sexual oddball who lived with and was obsessed with his mum

Yeah that relationship really struck me as odd. Wasnt there a rumour he spent 5 days with her body with her after she died or something like that?

 

[Ccfcisparks]

When you watch some of the clips back, it's as if he was almost mocking it as well.

Same with those Louis Theroux ones.

I think that was part of the thrill with him, teasing it but knowing nobody could touch him.

 

[skybluetony176]

On the second episode now. Seems to be clips never shown before. As someone who grew up after his time, i struggle to understand how people who grew up with him did not find him creepy as fuck and a dodgy bastard even back then.

He knew how to play the game well enough that people looked past what now seems the obvious

 

[ajsccfc]

When you watch some of the clips back, it's as if he was almost mocking it as well.

Same with those Louis Theroux ones.

He put out an autobiography in the 70s that seemed to almost confess without being too explicit as well. He was a careful manipulator so people knew but had no proof, but those who could prove it had no power or influence to do so.

I want to watch this but the trailer alone was upsetting enough so I don't know know if I can.

 

[skybluetony176]

People thought he was a weirdo but probably more as an a sexual oddball who lived with and was obsessed with his mum

Got to agree with Grendull. Always thought that there was more to that relationship than normal and if they’re was going to be a scandal that explained things that would be it. Although in the end wasn’t all that surprised by what came out. Necraphillia aside.

 

[Grendel]

Yeah that relationship really struck me as odd. Wasnt there a rumour he spent 5 days with her body with her after she died or something like that?

I think he admitted it and even said he’d slept by her body.

 

[Grendel]

Savile told hospital staff he performed sex acts on corpses in Leeds mortuary | Jimmy Savile | The Guardian

Former TV presenter said he posed with bodies in lewd positions and stole glass eyes, Broadmoor nurse tells investigators

amp.theguardian.com

 

[RedSalmon]

I could be wrong (I could be right) but didn't John Lydon accuse him of something in the very early 80's that the BBC hushed up?

 

[ajsccfc]

I could be wrong (I could be right) but didn't John Lydon accuse him of something in the very early 80's that the BBC hushed up?

 

[Nick]

Yeah it's as if lots of people knew what was going on.

 

[RedSalmon]

Had never heard that before. I do seem to remember when it all came out after he had died, of all people, Ester Rantzen coming out and saying something along the lines of "well we had all heard the rumours of what he was like". At the time I thought that was pretty amazing because clearly she had done nothing about it but had previously set herself up as the patron saint of the abused child (Child Line) but could not bring herself to put her BBC career at risk by asking awkward questions.
How many others did the same thing within the BBC?

 

[ajsccfc]

After he died a Newsnight investigation into his abuse was shelved and then the BBC ran tributes to him over Christmas, it took ITV (with one of the people contributing to Newsnight) to bring it all into the open properly nearly a year later. I'm not for the DEFUND THE BBC shouts but every head involved in that particularly really should have rolled

 

[Nick]

He probably had a lot of information about a lot of other people involved.

 

[Otis]

On the second episode now. Seems to be clips never shown before. As someone who grew up after his time, i struggle to understand how people who grew up with him did not find him creepy as fuck and a dodgy bastard even back then.

I never liked him and always found him odd. Never suspected him of anything dodgy though .

He just seemed to be doing good things, but in an odd way

 

[AOM]

There was an interesting Faking It episode on Jimmy Saville where the experts pull apart and analyse one of his interviews and the clues are definitely there.
He just turns all the serious questions and allegations to humour/jokes and the interviewer and audience instantly are distracted, it's uncomfortable watching

 

[Otis]

I never liked him and always found him odd. Never suspected him of anything dodgy though .

He just seemed to be doing good things, but in an odd way

Can I just add, I never watched Jim'll Fix It or anything else he did. I just never liked him, but I don't recall anyone at school ever saying he was a wrong un

 

[clint van damme]

I could be wrong (I could be right) but didn't John Lydon accuse him of something in the very early 80's that the BBC hushed up?

The interview's on youtube. The more I've read about it the more it's clear he was protected, or at least his antics were hushed up.

I rewatched Early doors a few weeks ago and there were a few jokes made about him, I checked when the episodes were made and it was 2003, well before anything official came out about him.

 

[clint van damme]

He probably had a lot of information about a lot of other people involved.

Well his own nephew claimsche ran away to London and got picked up and taken to a flat and Uncle Jimmy was there.
After the shock of seeing each other Savile got him sent home, but it's obvious what the intention was if it had been a stranger.

 

[ajsccfc]

A great niece too, although without the quick escape

On Sunday evening, Savile's great-niece told Sky News she believed some members of his family knew of what they called his "dark side" but that they turned a blind eye to it. Caroline Robinson, 49, said she was sexually abused twice by Savile: at a family gathering when she was 12, and again at an engagement party when she was 15.

"It was not as though I was on my own. There were members of the family there as well," she said. "Jimmy got it down to perfection, where he managed to do it … and nobody noticed.

"After it happened when I was 12, I spoke to my grandmother. I told her what Jimmy had done. Her reply was: 'It's only Jimmy, it doesn't matter, I'll sort it out'. I think certain members of the family who were closer to him knew what kind of man he was but they kept it secret."

Gary Glitter arrested by police on Jimmy Savile case

Former glam rocker and convicted paedophile bailed after nine hours

www.theguardian.com

 

[Nick]

There was an interesting Faking It episode on Jimmy Saville where the experts pull apart and analyse one of his interviews and the clues are definitely there.
He just turns all the serious questions and allegations to humour/jokes and the interviewer and audience instantly are distracted, it's uncomfortable watching

Yeah I saw that, so manipulating.

 

[Ian1779]

After he died a Newsnight investigation into his abuse was shelved and then the BBC ran tributes to him over Christmas, it took ITV (with one of the people contributing to Newsnight) to bring it all into the open properly nearly a year later. I'm not for the DEFUND THE BBC shouts but every head involved in that particularly really should have rolled

It’s staggering that as an organisation there is any trust left in the BBC.

 

[oakey]

Nobody cared about his victims. He was protected by the entitlement of rich men and women. Socially "weak" young women and children were routinely disregarded during the period he was active as all the abuse scandals and the 'Me Too' movements make clear.
His victims were not important and had no power to hold him to account.

 

[Otis]

It’s staggering that as an organisation there is any trust left in the BBC.

Not defending them for a single second, but it was a different time back then and surely anyone then involved in any capacity all those years ago, will be long gone from the BBC, be it retired, moved on, or 6 feet under (hopefully much deeper if there was any justice)

 

[oakey]

Can I add, socially "weak" young men were also victims back then, especially if they were gay or on the margins - although not of Savile, AFAIK - as the Dennis Nilsen case demonstrates

 

[Otis]

Can I add, socially "weak" young men were also victims back then, especially if they were gay or on the margins - although not of Savile, AFAIK - as the Dennis Nilsen case demonstrates

Yes, most definitely.

 

[Ian1779]

Not defending them for a single second, but it was a different time back then and surely anyone then involved in any capacity all those years ago, will be long gone from the BBC, be it retired, moved on, or 6 feet under (hopefully much deeper if there was any justice)

I don’t disagree necessarily, but I’m not sure that the infrastructure that allowed that to go unchallenged is just changed by people not being there anymore. I hope I’m wrong, but some more transparency would help to clarify.

 

[Nick]

The thing is with places like that, there will be family members and other loyalties with the old boys that will always be want to be kept quiet.

It clearly wasn't just Saville and Glitter at it, I'd bet there was tens / hundreds of them. That's why it will all be hushed away over and over.

 

[Grendel]

The thing is with places like that, there will be family members and other loyalties with the old boys that will always be want to be kept quiet.

It clearly wasn't just Saville and Glitter at it, I'd bet there was tens / hundreds of them. That's why it will all be hushed away over and over.

Its not that clear cut. The Guardian once heralded Saville as a saint. It was not easy to link events as it is now. Harold Shipman murdered probably 300 people and no one managed to know and work out the anomalies and no one was hushing that up.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Its not that clear cut. The Guardian once heralded Saville as a saint. It was not easy to link events as it is now.

Not just them either, he turned up to events with Thatcher, got given honours etc. Let's be honest, anybody (the entire UK population?) who thought him a bit odd was probably shocked at the sheer scale of it all when it came out. It's not normal, and hopefully never is(!)

 

[skybluetony176]

Not just them either, he turned up to events with Thatcher, got given honours etc. Let's be honest, anybody (the entire UK population?) who thought him a bit odd was probably shocked at the sheer scale of it all when it came out. It's not normal, and hopefully never is(!)

Edwina Currie appointed him to two hospital boards IIRC. He used to spend Xmas’s with the Thatchers. He had personal friendships with senior figures in the police, especially Yorkshire police. Thatcher campaigned for his knighthood despite advice from senior civil servants (has that happened again recently?). The list of people and institutions he manipulated is never ending.

 

[clint van damme]

Edwina Currie appointed him to two hospital boards IIRC. He used to spend Xmas’s with the Thatchers. He had personal friendships with senior figures in the police, especially Yorkshire police. Thatcher campaigned for his knighthood despite advice from senior civil servants (has that happened again recently?). The list of people and institutions he manipulated is never ending.

He had the keys to Broadmoor.