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[clint van damme]

Not true. May is honourable and honest, puts the country first even if I find her politics appalling. There are others too. Just because the current leader has made a pact with imbecilic loons doesn't mean there aren't alternatives.

May was awful. Johnson would baulk at throwing Amber Rudd under the bus in the manner she did.
She's got a pretty extensive charge sheet, admittedly a lot of it when she was home secretary.

 

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[CCFCSteve]

Not true. May is honourable and honest, puts the country first even if I find her politics appalling. There are others too. Just because the current leader has made a pact with imbecilic loons doesn't mean there aren't alternatives.

Hoping someone comes out of leftfield, Wallace, Ellwood and Tugendhat all come across well, however, I don’t really know their politics in any detail.

I was also hoping Truss might’ve been at the parties but don’t think she was invited !

 

[skybluetony176]

Also the fucking state of The Mail today

This from the paper that wanted Chamberlain to stay on instead of Churchill taking over. Ironically we’d all be talking German if it was up to the Daily Hail .

 

[skybluetony176]

At the expense of what foreign policy? Didn’t you say Boris should have just let Russia and Ukraine ‘get on with it’?

The house is also united in support of Ukraine. Any idea that if Boris goes support for Ukraine will stop is just nonsense. Ukraine does not need Boris as PM and neither do we.

 

[Ian1779]

 

[skybluetony176]

The excellent Dan Hodges

 

[PVA]

Fuck. Heartbreaking

 

[Deleted member 9744]

The house is also united in support of Ukraine. Any idea that if Boris goes support for Ukraine will stop is just nonsense. Ukraine does not need Boris as PM and neither do we.

Yes that argument is ridiculous of course. And it doesn't even apply to Sunak so why isn't he resigning. In fact neither should resign, they should be sacked.

 

[wingy]

Lower than a snakes belly.
Just don't come crying when he's pulled you all into the sewer with him.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Hoping someone comes out of leftfield, Wallace, Ellwood and Tugendhat all come across well, however, I don’t really know their politics in any detail.

I was also hoping Truss might’ve been at the parties but don’t think she was invited !

Ben Wallace is a thought. Like you I don't know if he's a raging right wing extremist, but he can speak in sentences!

 

[Liquid Gold]

We need a proper written constitution in this country that codifies what our public servants can and can't do.

The system we have now is built on an honour system where somebody bows out when they fall foul of the unwritten rules. This worked fine in the old days of British gentlemen in parliament (even Thatcher resigned after winning an election) but if you have people that just refuse to do what you're supposed to then there is no recourse in the system.

 

[PVA]

We need a proper written constitution in this country that codifies what our public servants can and can't do.

The system we have now is built on an honour system where somebody bows out when they fall foul of the unwritten rules. This worked fine in the old days of British gentlemen in parliament (even Thatcher resigned after winning an election) but if you have people that just refuse to do what you're supposed to then there is no recourse in the system.

Yes as Peston said:

"This is perhaps the most important test of the robustness and efficacy of the checks and balances in the British constitution of my lifetime. If Tory MPs unthinkingly keep him in office without a proper and public assessment of how parliament was misled, because that is what suits them, and if they blithely ignore the Ministerial Code, then the charge will stick that this or any party with a big majority is simply an elected dictatorship, and the constitution means little or nothing. This is not just a slippery slope. It is the bottom of the slope. "

 

[Liquid Gold]

Yes as Peston said:

"This is perhaps the most important test of the robustness and efficacy of the checks and balances in the British constitution of my lifetime. If Tory MPs unthinkingly keep him in office without a proper and public assessment of how parliament was misled, because that is what suits them, and if they blithely ignore the Ministerial Code, then the charge will stick that this or any party with a big majority is simply an elected dictatorship, and the constitution means little or nothing. This is not just a slippery slope. It is the bottom of the slope. "

It shouldn't be an option to comply with or not.

 

[Liquid Gold]

Where have I said that? Of course I understand why people are annoyed, what I can differentiate is from the baying wolves trying remove him that serves no purpose and wastes more government time and money.

Mate, you're never going to guess who has been siphoning off government money to their mates for the last 2 and half years.

 

[Ian1779]

Yes as Peston said:

"This is perhaps the most important test of the robustness and efficacy of the checks and balances in the British constitution of my lifetime. If Tory MPs unthinkingly keep him in office without a proper and public assessment of how parliament was misled, because that is what suits them, and if they blithely ignore the Ministerial Code, then the charge will stick that this or any party with a big majority is simply an elected dictatorship, and the constitution means little or nothing. This is not just a slippery slope. It is the bottom of the slope. "

The problem with Peston saying that is he’s part of an impotent press core that offers next to no scrutiny or challenge to this kind of behaviour.
What he says is true, but he needs also to look inwardly to see why MP’s feel so empowered to behave as they do.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Hoping someone comes out of leftfield, Wallace, Ellwood and Tugendhat all come across well, however, I don’t really know their politics in any detail.

I was also hoping Truss might’ve been at the parties but don’t think she was invited !

She heard the cheese was imported and refused to go.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

May was awful. Johnson would baulk at throwing Amber Rudd under the bus in the manner she did.
She's got a pretty extensive charge sheet, admittedly a lot of it when she was home secretary.

Johnson would absolutely thrown someone under the bus to save himself. It wasn't called 'Operation Save Big Dog' because he values other people.

 

[Deleted member 9744]

Johnson would absolutely thrown someone under the bus to save himself. It wasn't called 'Operation Save Big Dog' because he values other people.

He already has. Remember Allegra Stratton? She had to resign even though it appears she didn't even attend a party.

 

[skybluetony176]

Lower than a snakes belly.
Just don't come crying when he's pulled you all into the sewer with him.

And that’s the thing his defenders keep ignoring. At his rate of gaffes that in normal times would see him out of the job at some point it’s going to be something they care about enough that they’ll want him out of the job, at which point it’s too late.

 

[skybluetony176]

Poor little Rishi playing the victim again. Saying he was only there because he believed he was being called to a meeting and if he does resign it’s because he is a man of honour and doesn’t want to be part of the circus that he is morally above.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

And that’s the thing his defenders keep ignoring. At his rate of gaffes that in normal times would see him out of the job at some point it’s going to be something they care about enough that they’ll want him out of the job, at which point it’s too late.

These aren't 'gaffes'. Gaffes as things that are done unwittingly that paint you in a bad light.

This is flagrant, deliberate law-breaking by someone who doesn't think the rules apply to him.

 

[skybluetony176]

The excellent Dan Hodges

 

[PVA]

The problem with Peston saying that is he’s part of an impotent press core that offers next to no scrutiny or challenge to this kind of behaviour.
What he says is true, but he needs also to look inwardly to see why MP’s feel so empowered to behave as they do.

Oh absolutely.

Peston has been a huge government apologist and did his best to play down partygate in the early days of the story.

 

[skybluetony176]

These aren't 'gaffes'. Gaffes as things that are done unwittingly that paint you in a bad light.

This is flagrant, deliberate law-breaking by someone who doesn't think the rules apply to him.

You’re absolutely right. I was trying to humour the boot lickers

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Thing with these parody accounts now is they're not actually as deranged as genuine lickspittles!

Nothing in there to rhyme with cxxt

 

[skybluetony176]

This about sums up how ridiculous the Boris must stay argument is

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Poor little Rishi playing the victim again. Saying he was only there because he believed he was being called to a meeting and if he does resign it’s because he is a man of honour and doesn’t want to be part of the circus that he is morally above.

So morally above it he's using the same excuse as everyone else involved.

Amazing how so many people thought they were at a meeting yet don't seem to be questioning why there was drinks, sandwiches, quizzes and no actual work.

Though I guess a quiz could be considered training for many of them.

"Q1. Where is the Black Sea"
"Q2. Do C4 receive taxpayer funding?"
"Q3. Which place beginning with the letter D is a major port linking Britain and France?"
"Q4. Is a Scotch Egg a substantial meal?"
"Q5. Name this white substance on a baking tray"

 

[Mcbean]

While Boris and his buddies have been caught red handed and some action is required - The concept of Keir Starmer ( who can’t make a decision to save his life ) and his colleagues is impossible for me to consider - bovver girl , Diane Abbot and a hovering Corbyn would be worse for this country than our current predicament

 

[Johnnythespider]

He already has. Remember Allegra Stratton? She had to resign even though it appears she didn't even attend a party.

Save big dog

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

This from the paper that wanted Chamberlain to stay on instead of Churchill taking over. Ironically we’d all be talking German if it was up to the Daily Hail .

Daily heil

 

[duffer]

Because the inevitable is there's more to come, let him and his acolytes discredit themselves so much, they can hold zero influence

I'm sorry NW, but I can't agree with that. There's a point of principle here, and if you don't stand up now as a Tory MP, then you've shown you've got none.

Waiting until it's politically opportune isn't acceptable, there's clearly enough evidence right now to do the right thing.

 

[chiefdave]

I see the gigafactory at Bagington has finally been approved .
Around 10000 jobs including tertiary suppliers for the local region.

In completely not surprising news, unlike the council to not properly scrutinise things

6,000-job Midland 'gigafactory' could go to the North East

Losing the planned gigafactory would be a huge blow to the Midlands region

www.birminghammail.co.uk

Damning report casts doubt on plans for huge 6,000-job factory

It comes after reports that the West Midlands could miss out as Jaguar Land Rover considers a deal that would see batteries manufactured in Teeside

www.birminghammail.co.uk

 

[duffer]

While Boris and his buddies have been caught red handed and some action is required - The concept of Keir Starmer ( who can’t make a decision to save his life ) and his colleagues is impossible for me to consider - bovver girl , Diane Abbot and a hovering Corbyn would be worse for this country than our current predicament

Gosh, you're so right. Much better to have a lying, corrupt, criminal in charge than any of the the other lying, corrupt, criminals you mention.

Except of course, none of them have been found guilty of anything, and Boris has.

Find another excuse mate, I'm afraid that one won't work.

 

[PVA]

While Boris and his buddies have been caught red handed and some action is required - The concept of Keir Starmer ( who can’t make a decision to save his life ) and his colleagues is impossible for me to consider - bovver girl , Diane Abbot and a hovering Corbyn would be worse for this country than our current predicament

How?

How can they possibly be worse than a Prime Minister who has literally broken the law?

How is the type of footwear Angela Rayner wears more of a critical issue to you than the Prime Minister breaking the laws he set?

Fucking hell. No wonder we're in such a fucking mess. Give me strength.

 

[David O'Day]

How?

How can they possibly be worse than a Prime Minister who has literally broken the law?

How is the type of footwear Angela Rayner wears more of a critical issue to you than the Prime Minister breaking the laws he set?

Fucking hell. No wonder we're in such a fucking mess. Give me strength.

Because McBean is a fucking idiot as well