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Grendel
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Well given everything that’s happened he should at least be as high in the ratings as Corbyn in the 2017 election he isn’t
Starmer will screw up over a Brexit question in the next two years - it’s also clear from her body language Rayner can’t stomach him and the unions tolerate him through gritted teeth
shmmeee
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The 2017 election is an anomaly, immediately post Brexit and the country has never been more polarised. Until the election was called and Labour basically swallowed the Lib Dem and Green vote they were on below 30%.
Also Corbyn got 41% in 2017, which is roughly what Labour are on in the most recent polls.
skybluetony176
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Can’t see any leader saying Brexit was a good idea in 2 years time so unless you’re suggesting that he’s going to say it was a good idea…
Terry Gibson's perm
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He is sorry there is no doubt.
Sorry he was caught
Sorry he was caught
skybluetony176
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I think he’s more angry than he is sorry.
Unless I’m missing something, this situation is a bit weird. If youre whipping why amend the motion…unless you’re concerned that your own MPs will defy the whip and it will be voted through ? However, by amending the motion in this way does the government actually open up the likelihood of more Tories voting in favour of it and ultimately supporting the investigation itself further down the line ?
As feed indicates this is risky, if there’s more fines and bad full report, MPs will almost certainly have to back the investigation…unless Johnson resigns by then anyway
Not sure it gives Johnson a way out unless he avoids further fines which feels extremely unlikely at this stage
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skybluetony176
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Didn’t they promise to learn the lessons from the Owen Patterson debacle. They seem to have forgotten them already, not even been 6 months.
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Was suggested a lot would abstain, which could end up with givt defeat anyway. This way, you potentially allow MPs to stay onside and not pull the trigger on him yet. Not sure what that gains... apart from covering tracks before leaving?!?
skybluetony176
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There’s been a couple who have publicly confirmed that they would abstain and privately apparently many more.
That’s how I read it. Delaying the inevitable
I think it’s a different though. I can’t see how this ultimately helps Johnson unless he avoids more fines. As I say, if anything the amendment might make more Tory MPs vote in favour of the motion or abstain. If it was a straight decision about an investigation now, they could justify to themselves that he’s only got one fine so ‘maybe’ didn’t lie to parliament and no need to investigate…if they wait and more fines land and full sue gray report is damning, an investigation can’t be avoided
The government must’ve thought the motion was going to pass even after whipping and this just kicks the can. Otherwise it’s possibly a mistake
….unless I’m missing something
oakey
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Have Tory MPs considered that their 'loyalty' to Johnson can only be rewarded by voters if it is endless. That they'll be stuck with him?
When is the right time for No Confidence?
If they eventually oust him they will be seen as backstabbers by Johnson fans and as self-interested opportunists by those who have had enough of Johnson - that they only showed backbone when it was convenient.
They are playing with fire.
For my part I hope they keep him in post as he is dragging them all down further each day he stays in office.
When is the right time for No Confidence?
If they eventually oust him they will be seen as backstabbers by Johnson fans and as self-interested opportunists by those who have had enough of Johnson - that they only showed backbone when it was convenient.
They are playing with fire.
For my part I hope they keep him in post as he is dragging them all down further each day he stays in office.
skybluetony176
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Maybe Boris is in the shit. The excellent Dan Hodges
Still think he’ll try and style it out.
Still think he’ll try and style it out.
clint van damme
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I read that Steve Baker had called for him to go but wasn't sure if it was true, looks like it is and that spells trouble for Johnson.
skybluetony176
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Given that Steve Baker was a ring leader in bringing May down and installing Boris it can’t be good. Still not counting my chickens though.
Not even just the ministerial code, he literally broke the law!
clint van damme
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Think it's better that he doesn't go for a bit from Starmers perspective.
The more tories that back him the more he'll use it against them in a GE by which time I'd imagine Johnson will be gone
Philosoraptor
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Steve Baker reminds me of the missing fifth horsemen of the Apocalypse.
skybluetony176
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Nice to see the MET are still carrying out their roll in operation save big dog.
It's all they have at the moment. They've got nothing good to say about themselves, their polices, their conduct, the state of the country so the best they can come up with is 'but Labour'
Also parroted by their most ardent supporter on here of course.
fernandopartridge
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What a silly country this is. We're in a massive economic slump with the standard of living of many on the decline if not putting them into genuine poverty, but the thing that brings down the Prime Minister and the media's focus is on breaching some restrictions (such as being able to work with somebody but not socialise with them) which were and are ridiculous.
This is not to say by any means I don't accept that Johnson should go and what he did was wrong, it just feels pretty immaterial to me now (though I'm fortunate to not have been somebody who couldn't attend a loved ones funeral etc).
I'd be suspicious of Baker and the ERG loons, gawd knows who they have got lined up next....
This is not to say by any means I don't accept that Johnson should go and what he did was wrong, it just feels pretty immaterial to me now (though I'm fortunate to not have been somebody who couldn't attend a loved ones funeral etc).
I'd be suspicious of Baker and the ERG loons, gawd knows who they have got lined up next....
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If they're ridiculous, he's the one who made them ridiculous of course!
I really don't think anybody'd care if he was Joe Bloggs. My neighbour always had a pint in his house when he came home from work with his mate, but given they'd been on a two hour drive in the same van, it seemed probably less risk than the drive. He didn't make the rules of course... or pretend otherwise - he was quite open about it!
Advie
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We're in that very mess because we've had twelve years of this very party. Defund, demoralise, sell off is their only policy. Then, when it goes wrong, they blamed Labour. Then immigrants. Then the EU. Now covid and whatever else happens to fit their narrative.
Whatever talent this party did have, went a very long time ago and it's showing with the likes of Boris now at the helm.
Just to add:
Cameron himself said he couldn't believe how easy it was to take over the party when he joined. What does that tell you?
Cost of living:
Corbyn wanted to try real change here and no, he would not have got everything he wanted done, but right now some of his ideas like bringing energy back to public ownership would have really helped people. This country is in a really bad mess right now and we have clowns in charge.
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I'd imagine Baker himself fancies a crack at it.