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[Wyken Sky Blue]

Between Hamer and O'Hare, Gyok is out of the question and we will seriously struggle to replace him

Voted Hamer because I think he is the easiest to replace. O'Hare is pivotal to how we play. Don't forget nobody knew who Hamer was 2 years ago when we signed him for £1m; who says we can't find another gem like him?

 

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[PUSB-We_are_going_up]

Between Hamer and O'Hare, Gyok is out of the question and we will seriously struggle to replace him

Voted Hamer because I think he is the easiest to replace. O'Hare is pivotal to how we play. Don't forget nobody knew who Hamer was 2 years ago when we signed him for £1m; who says we can't find another gem like him?

I think the pessimists like Grendel. Although Im an optimist and think Hamer would be the hardest to replace

 

[harvey098]

I honestly can’t believe people are saying they would lose Hamer above the other two. He’s the most technically gifted player I can remember seeing in a city shirt. Keep at almost all costs.

Gyok has been a phenomenon and has been more valuable than his goals but I also think a lot of championship strikers would’ve scored 15+ in this team this year (even Godden got close playing half the number of games!).

O’Hare is a lovely player but a lot of championship AM’s are more punishing from the positions he’s found himself in. He’d be the one I’d begrudgingly lose if we had to sell one.

 

[nunchuckas]

I do think Hamer is the best of the 3 and most likely to succeed at the highest level, but like others have said, easiest to replace, for the least amount. Not with a like for like, but with a solid, effective, defensive mid. Like a better, top end Championship version of Liam Kelly (remember when we used to say how important he was to the way we played). E.g. sell him for £8 million, sign a quality CDM for £2million (or a free or high wages), plus another attacking mid who can score goals.

Sure, they won't be as classy as Gus, but that's a luxury we can do without more than Vik's strength, power and ability to hold the ball up and run at defenders. Or O'Hare's constant pressing, chasing opposition down, holding ball up and drawing fouls - making him one of our most effective defensive players by keeping the ball at the other end of the pitch and releasing pressure.

On the other hand, I could make an argument for selling Vik at the peak of his value. He'd probably bring in the most, and could get pushing £20 million if similar transfers for young championship strikers are anything to go by. And as good as he is at creating chances for himself and is important to the way we play, he hasn't been a great goalscorer. His 17 goals this season are skewed by the 9 in 9 he got at the start of the season before teams started to double up on him and get the measure of him. Could he repeat it next season, possibly, but he'd need to improve his chance conversion rate a lot! So while he is an effective target man for us, he might never be worth as much for his goalscoring exploits as he is now, so we could do worse than cashing in on him now and getting the most for him. He'd be hard to replace as he's a unique player, but we'd have to go for different type of players, maybe a couple of fast attackers or wingers, all depends on what's on Robin's radar within our budget.

 

[rob9872]

Whichever we can get the most for. I'm sure we already have replacements lined up so hopefully whichever it is they go early before we miss out on our primary targets.

 

[vow]

Hamer. I think a player of his type is easier to replace.

Hamer. As Tommo said, I just think he will be easier to replace.

Hamer is by far our best player and will command the biggest fee, we hopefully get 8million+ for him which can be spent on replacing him and improving other areas of the squad.

This should be the mentality year on year until we are able to mount a serious challenge.

Hamer for me as the fellow post-ers have described already.

 

[FulltimeWum]

I think people underestimate how quickly Hamer looks to get the ball forward and into dangerous areas when they say he will be easiest to replace. Combine that with his technical ability, he has qualities you very rarely see in defensive midfielders.

Leeds can spend silly money on him once they sell Phillips.

 

[Danceswithhorses]

Hamer...already reported to have itchy feet, and seemingly wants to move on....probably has a get out in his newly signed contract, and so time to cash in on him at the top of his game, should we get the 'required' amount bid.

Gyok would be most difficult to replace...he's young, will improve, and more than capable of 20+ goals a season, and those type of strikers are hard to find....hence i would put a massive fee on him to deter teams.

O'Hare splits opinions, but again, he's young, will only improve, and he has a great work ethic, and seemingly rubber legs based on how often he gets scythed down and his subsequent lack of major injuries.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

I’m sure esoterica is right we don’t realise what we would miss if he moves on. Still say him over the other two

 

[Legia Sky Blue]

Hamer...already reported to have itchy feet, and seemingly wants to move on....probably has a get out in his newly signed contract, and so time to cash in on him at the top of his game, should we get the 'required' amount bid.

Gyok would be most difficult to replace...he's young, will improve, and more than capable of 20+ goals a season, and those type of strikers are hard to find....hence i would put a massive fee on him to deter teams.

O'Hare splits opinions, but again, he's young, will only improve, and he has a great work ethic, and seemingly rubber legs based on how often he gets scythed down and his subsequent lack of major injuries.

Just a question - where is it reported that Hamer wants to move on? Not saying that him (or the others) wouldn't be up for a move if it came their way, but I read this type of thing a lot, and it just looks like guesswork to me.

 

[Liquid Gold]

It's pretty simple to me.

20 goal a season (or near enough) strikers are like gold dust so you can't sell Gyo

Take O'Hare out of the team and we can't press the way we do, we lose the intensity up front and we're putting pressure on our defence which isn't very good so it can't be him

Hamer is a fantastic player but there are a number of very good midfielders in the championship that are on par with him and bought for reasonable fees so it has to be him.

I think Gyokeres is most likely to attract interest though.

 

[Perryccfc]

Hamer is the best player we have had for a long long time and is by far my favourite of the three. However as much as it pains me to say it I think there are plenty of very good midfielders we could replace him with. Replacing 20 goals would be near on impossible with little money and COH makes the team tick.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Hamer is the best player we have had for a long long time and is by far my favourite of the three. However as much as it pains me to say it I think there are plenty of very good midfielders we could replace him with. Replacing 20 goals would be near on impossible with little money and COH makes the team tick.

That exactly

 

[Tommo1993]

It's pretty simple to me.

20 goal a season (or near enough) strikers are like gold dust so you can't sell Gyo

Take O'Hare out of the team and we can't press the way we do, we lose the intensity up front and we're putting pressure on our defence which isn't very good so it can't be him

Hamer is a fantastic player but there are a number of very good midfielders in the championship that are on par with him and bought for reasonable fees so it has to be him.

I think Gyokeres is most likely to attract interest though.

Bang on. Many a player at this level, some below, who can ping a decent long ball. Most will be less prolific in racking up yellow cards too.

 

[Danceswithhorses]

Just a question - where is it reported that Hamer wants to move on? Not saying that him (or the others) wouldn't be up for a move if it came their way, but I read this type of thing a lot, and it just looks like guesswork to me.

I really can't remember the actual article, but i think he kind of said he was ambitious to play at the highest level, and although currently happy, he wanted to keep his options open.
It was the kind of thing we heard from Ostigard when we hoped he would stay (and he didnt), and is the same language Clarke-Salter is using (and i dont expect him to stay either)

 

[Offhegoes]

I really can't remember the actual article, but i think he kind of said he was ambitious to play at the highest level, and although happy...wanted to keep his options open.
It was the kind of thing we heard from Ostigard when we hoped he would stay (and he didnt), and is the same language Clarke-Salter is using (and i dont expect him to stay either)

I like Clarke-Salter, and he was decent (apart from Luton away) but his injury record across the last 3 seasons isn't great at all. Last thing we need is to sign him on big wages, and he misses half the season, so we have to shove Hyam across there to cover. We need to 2-3 centre backs in the close season for me, possibly one being JCS.

 

[Duffys Tetralogy]

Hamer is the player probably playing closest to the top of his value (8m-10m).

A few 'ifs' but Gyok & O'Hare could double in value next season.

If Gyok gets around the same amount of goals next year you're looking at 15m-20m for him (around 7m-10m if you sold this window).

If O'Hare works on his finishing and manages to level his xG (10 goals & 8 assists) you're looking at 8m-10m for him (4m-5m if you sold this window).

If Hamer is the only one of the four to leave (including Sheaf in this) for a decent fee then I would be fine with that.

Sell one per year and replace with 3 signings around 1m (like Hamer & Gyok) has got to be the strategy. More than one could disrupt the team too much.

 

[South West Sky Blue]

I’ve alway thought that Zwolle had a decent sell on fee attached to Hamer. I’ve never read it anywhere, but the way the deal came through at the time, it just appeared that way. Others like Sheaf & Vik may have clauses as well for all I know, but the Hamer one stood out as most likely.
Can anyone confirm this and if so, how much?
Not much point in selling for £4-5m if we only get £3-4m of it and can only spend half of that anyway as the rest could be swallowed up by running costs- unless the deal keeps us afloat!

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

I’ve alway thought that Zwolle had a decent sell on fee attached to Hamer. I’ve never read it anywhere, but the way the deal came through at the time, it just appeared that way. Others like Sheaf & Vik may have clauses as well for all I know, but the Hamer one stood out as most likely.
Can anyone confirm this and if so, how much?
Not much point in selling for £4-5m if we only get £3-4m of it and can only spend half of that anyway as the rest could be swallowed up by running costs- unless the deal keeps us afloat!

Zwolle are going to need every penny. Kastaneer is leading their charge right back to Erste division!

 

[rexo87]

I’ve alway thought that Zwolle had a decent sell on fee attached to Hamer. I’ve never read it anywhere, but the way the deal came through at the time, it just appeared that way. Others like Sheaf & Vik may have clauses as well for all I know, but the Hamer one stood out as most likely.
Can anyone confirm this and if so, how much?
Not much point in selling for £4-5m if we only get £3-4m of it and can only spend half of that anyway as the rest could be swallowed up by running costs- unless the deal keeps us afloat!

I reckon Vik and Gus have 10-20% sell ons. Benefit from selling Cal would be he has no sell on

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[Terry_dactyl]

No idea if these are credible or not. Don’t think they’re the same people that linked us to Ross Barkley!

Brighton set sights on Coventry City star Gustavo Hamer - Sources

Football Insider has learned that Brighton are keeping tabs on Coventry City midfielder Gustavo Hamer ahead of the summer window.

www.footballinsider247.com

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Obvious problems with any of them. Hamer drives us forward, and takes the midfield by the scruff of the neck. None of the others we have can do that so, we need a replacement...

O'Hare integral to a high press. Losing him and we *have* to change our style to a certain degree, as I just can't see us getting similar for that position.

Gyokeres gives us presence up front and goals (this season, don't think he'd get as many next season). He has an uncanny knack of chasing and winning lost causes. Can we sign similar?

On balance, I'd lose O'Hare because, even though he's key as it stands, I do think it's possibly easiest of the three to replace without the team as a whole going downhill. That's not, however, me saying I think it would be easy to do, before anybody jumps on me! It's not criticising O'Hare, it's praising the other two.

 

[SkyblueDad]

I keep hearing “big” three but keeping Sheaf is just as vital, his stats stack up against most.

 

[stupot07]

Obvious problems with any of them. Hamer drives us forward, and takes the midfield by the scruff of the neck. None of the others we have can do that so, we need a replacement...

O'Hare integral to a high press. Losing him and we *have* to change our style to a certain degree, as I just can't see us getting similar for that position.

Gyokeres gives us presence up front and goals (this season, don't think he'd get as many next season). He has an uncanny knack of chasing and winning lost causes. Can we sign similar?

On balance, I'd lose O'Hare because, even though he's key as it stands, I do think it's possibly easiest of the three to replace without the team as a whole going downhill. That's not, however, me saying I think it would be easy to do, before anybody jumps on me! It's not criticising O'Hare, it's praising the other two.

If we want to keep moving forward, we do need to change the way we play at home, especially against teams that want to park the bus and we can't play on the counter attack.

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[Liquid Gold]

If we want to keep moving forward, we do need to change the way we play at home, especially against teams that want to park the bus and we can't play on the counter attack.

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We need more pace in the side.

I'd consider getting a couple of wingers in and going 4-2-3-1 at times. I think Bidwell is capable at LB but not sure about Dabo ar RB and have no idea with Kane.

Going forward though I think we'd be incredibly dangerous with Hamer and Sheaf in the 2 and Callum flanked by two players also running off vik

 

[shmmeee]

Gyokeres gives us presence up front and goals (this season, don't think he'd get as many next season). He has an uncanny knack of chasing and winning lost causes. Can we sign similar?

Not sure about this. He’s scored about 1 in 3, which is his record pretty much his entire career.

 

[SleepyGinger]

Gyokeres did get a lot of his goals early on but he also went on a dry spell after the Blackburn game (partly down to injury). I’d back him to get even more next year if he’s here. Seemed to be a more confident striker by the end of the season.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Not sure about this. He’s scored about 1 in 3, which is his record pretty much his entire career.

I don't see him as a finisher tbh, and he had a hot streak early in the season. He can be a thoroughly effective forward getting 9-10 goals a season, but that might not get him the attention he otherwise deserves.

Regis's goal record for us was not great for us in isolation, but from '86 onwards he was integral to us and fully deserved his England caps.

Oh and in Germany Gyokeres was 1 in 4, and last season he was 1 in 10!

 

[SkyblueDad]

Gyokeres will be hard to replace, strikers are the riskiest signings in football, look at Walker. Any centre-forward scoring 17 goals is top dollar when it comes to transfer fees, Everton are reportedly looking at 50million quid for 9 goal (this season) Richarlison I’m not saying Gyo is a better player but indicates the value of a goalscorer.

 

[Frostie]

I keep hearing “big” three but keeping Sheaf is just as vital, his stats stack up against most.

The thing about players of his ilk is a lot of what he does goes under the radar but clubs' recruitment departments are much more savvy these days, they'll be aware of him.

 

[lord_garrincha]

If Sheaf stays, then the logical one that can leave is Hamer.

I wonder if the ITKs are aware whether Ben is a passive presence in the dressing room, because there is scope to make him captain from next season and take responsibility & lead from the front rather than chucking it around amongst the sicknotes.

If he is passive... Then obviously not!

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Every player is replaceable. We thought we wouldn’t be able to replace McNulty, Bayliss and McCallum to name a few and we’ve done alright since.

Gyokeres is the most valuable in terms of output. It’s been a while since we’ve had a striker who’s scored 16 goals in a season.

Earlier in the season, I’d have been most willing to lose COH but he’s ended the season really well. I think if we keep him, he could really kick on and propel us to the playoffs.

 

[harvey098]

Quite interesting. I bet he would’ve been very close to being in the very middle too. Still impressive though. I don’t see him being as easy to replace as so many say.

 

[SkyblueDad]

Quite interesting. I bet he would’ve been very close to being in the very middle too. Still impressive though. I don’t see him being as easy to replace as so many say.

I don’t want any of our better players to leave unless every penny went into MRs budget, but if one did & I’m thinking Hamer I’d love us to make a serious attempt for Joe Rothwell as a replacement, top player, would cost wage wise but could help make us serious prospects next season.
I like PNEs Daniel Johnson too.

 

[Liquid Gold]

Quite interesting. I bet he would’ve been very close to being in the very middle too. Still impressive though. I don’t see him being as easy to replace as so many say.

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It’s fantastic that sheaf is central in one and Hamer so central in another.

One thing this should teach us is to trust the recruitment team to replace what we sell.