SleepyGinger
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If Robins is willing to let Waghorn and Walker go then he must think he can bring in better. With only Gyokeres (as it stands) and an injury prone Godden we will need reinforcements.
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But it's an utterly stupid scenario that.
Agent says pay up front or he won't leave permanently, club says we'll pay you weekly, agent says no. Player, then, continues to be paid weekly anyway, just either in the reserves, or on loan and having to find a new club the season after.
That's not an agent playing hardball, that's an agent showing a total lack of awareness!
Colin Steins Smile
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There is a bit of leeway for the club, in that in terms of cash flow.
If the final amount the agent insists on is the same as being fully paid for a year, then it's probably better for the club to spread the cost over the rest of his contract term and to make life as difficult, as possible, for the player.
Insisting on him training with the U23's with no game time and any deviations on behaviour fining him, etc. If a player is hopeful of getting another contract after sitting doing nothing for a year....then he's very optimistic!
The best solution financially for the club is to sell him [not likely]. Alternatively, a loan for the final year of his contract with [hopefully] the recipient club paying circa 50- 70% of wages is a good option.
Legia Sky Blue
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It's not just down to his agent. Waghorn's preferred club to move to might only want to commit initially until the January window, and then see how things go. While there's a chance of another club willing to pay some of his salary I don't see CCFC just paying him off in full. I suspect he will nominally still be our player next season, even if he doesn't end up playing a game for us.
rob9872
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A bit like last season then.
I’m sure Robins is aware of this pal
SleepyGinger
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I literally said he must think he can bring in better
KenilworthSkyBlue
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Highly unlikely I'd imagine. They barely scraped 7th.
Since Cook came in their form has plummeted. Bearing in mind when James Rowe, their previous manager left they were sitting in second I believe.
Not all Cook's fault though. Their striker Kabongo, who at the time had pretty much scored half their goals suffered a broken leg soon after he came in.
SkyblueDad
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Been waiting years to be back in the prem.
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He was our top scorer but only scored 7 in 31 appearances.
Briles
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Haha I was in a daydream
SlowerThanPlatt
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Yeah, just having a look the 3 relegated sides this season had players who scored the same/more
SlowerThanPlatt
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He’s 21 so does need to be making a push for the first team in pre season
KenilworthSkyBlue
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Surely there will be a number of outcomes from such negotiations? For instance, a settlement could be made, the former club could pay the player's contract up to the point of him finding a new club or the former club could pay the difference between their new contract and their previous contract for the final year.
I very much doubt it's as rigid as you say.
Clubs are ruthless but most aren't utterly unreasonable.
better days
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Here's a notorious example
Jack Rodwell refusing to quit his £70,000-a-week Sunderland deal
JACK RODWELL accepts his Sunderland career could well be over – but isn’t prepared to walk away from his £70,000-a-week contract. SunSport reported earlier this week that the Black Cats…
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KenilworthSkyBlue
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Here's a notorious example
Jack Rodwell refusing to quit his £70,000-a-week Sunderland deal
JACK RODWELL accepts his Sunderland career could well be over – but isn’t prepared to walk away from his £70,000-a-week contract. SunSport reported earlier this week that the Black Cats…
I think Jack Rodwell is the exception, rather than the rule. Most players want to play football, not sit on the sidelines running down their contract.
better days
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There will be differences when a player is still in demand so other clubs will be willing to take them
Waghorn will possibly fall into that category
No one wanted Rodwell as he had downed tools and had an attitude that stank to high heaven
Two very recent examples in our own club are Hilssner and Jobello
We made life as uncomfortable as possible for them by banishing them to train with the U23s and not giving them games in the hope they'd leave and walk away from their contracts
Neither did
Jobello was eventually paid off and Hilssner is still seeing out his contract, albeit the poor guy has done his ACL and has remained in Germany
ccfc1234
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Do you know much about the scouting side of the club. Do you think Hilssner was ever watched playing in person Or was signed on the back of a video scouting review and statistical analysis? Either way the length of the contract appears to have worked against us.
SlowerThanPlatt
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Given Robins said he will be going to watch potential foreign signings in person now to avoid “bad signings” I don’t think he previously had much to do with it
better days
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He was probably watched by someone on the club's payroll and then recommended to Robins who would have watched recordings
As @SlowerThanPlatt says Robins is now going to watch targets personally before we commit to bring a player in
The Philosopher
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Can never understand the “bomb squad” tactic with players.
There are very few that are going to say “ok I’ll write of a s*** load of money to play elsewhere”.
Bogarde was an early example, Rodwell above also.
Our players should be assets that we treat as such.
There’s a better way.
Take Adeobla; he was playing like he’d forgotten where his feet were, we sent him out on loan and he didn’t do so well so we sent him out again and he came back and had a purple patch.
Just because Walker flopped at Pompey it doesn’t mean he’s finished. He’s got talent in there somewhere and is proven at L1/L2. Notts County have got decent gates and aren’t bound by FFP. Walker should walk (
) that league and County could chip in a decent percentage. At Xmas his reputation and confidence will have (I predict) somewhat recovered bring him back then and see where we go. There’s the argument that VNL is too low to be taken as a serious gauge but in no any case, one failed loan doesn’t mean he’s finished. See Adebola for details.
We need to stop with the bomb squad, can you imagine what players thought of the club and manager when they were being forced to train at the Memorial Park? I believe in peer reference (was laughed at previously, but I don’t care), a struggling player gets treated badly and ends up at say L1. In that L1 team there’s a player doing well on CCFC’s radar. We make an offer. “Hey, (x Cov player)” asks the CCFC target, “you played at Cov, what are they like?”. “Don’t go there. Bunch of c****”.
No.
Better way:
Firstly, don’t sign YouTube foreigners on long contracts.
Secondly don’t sign old players who will never have a resale value or the possibility of being shipped on to a club in a year willing to match wages (Waghorn, just like Beavon before.). Utter utter madness.
Thirdly, have a couple or three pseudo-affiliate clubs where we arrange to put players to regain fitness, form / whatever. Scotland, L1, upper non-league.
There are very few that are going to say “ok I’ll write of a s*** load of money to play elsewhere”.
Bogarde was an early example, Rodwell above also.
Our players should be assets that we treat as such.
There’s a better way.
Take Adeobla; he was playing like he’d forgotten where his feet were, we sent him out on loan and he didn’t do so well so we sent him out again and he came back and had a purple patch.
Just because Walker flopped at Pompey it doesn’t mean he’s finished. He’s got talent in there somewhere and is proven at L1/L2. Notts County have got decent gates and aren’t bound by FFP. Walker should walk (
) that league and County could chip in a decent percentage. At Xmas his reputation and confidence will have (I predict) somewhat recovered bring him back then and see where we go. There’s the argument that VNL is too low to be taken as a serious gauge but in no any case, one failed loan doesn’t mean he’s finished. See Adebola for details. We need to stop with the bomb squad, can you imagine what players thought of the club and manager when they were being forced to train at the Memorial Park? I believe in peer reference (was laughed at previously, but I don’t care), a struggling player gets treated badly and ends up at say L1. In that L1 team there’s a player doing well on CCFC’s radar. We make an offer. “Hey, (x Cov player)” asks the CCFC target, “you played at Cov, what are they like?”. “Don’t go there. Bunch of c****”.
No.
Better way:
Firstly, don’t sign YouTube foreigners on long contracts.
Secondly don’t sign old players who will never have a resale value or the possibility of being shipped on to a club in a year willing to match wages (Waghorn, just like Beavon before.). Utter utter madness.
Thirdly, have a couple or three pseudo-affiliate clubs where we arrange to put players to regain fitness, form / whatever. Scotland, L1, upper non-league.
KenilworthSkyBlue
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There's obviously a clear correlation between more favourable settlements being agreed on the behalf of players under contract that would attract interest over players such as Hilssner who realistically we'd have no other option to reach a settlement with.
However, your claim that in order to allow a player join another club the only option for clubs is to negotiate an early settlement on the current contract of a player is dubious at best. Darragh McAnthony discusses it at length in one of his podcasts and details numerous alternatives he's brokered throughout his chairmanship.
As, if that were the case, and the only option was to provide said player cash up front, clubs would simply not afford to be able to move players on. Which is an outcome that's neither beneficial for the club, nor the player in question.
Granted there are numerous cases where players hold fast on their contracts and won't budge, which they're more than entitled to do, but I'd imagine by large there will be far more flexibility than you think regarding how settlements are structured. It's not a case of block payment or nothing.
better days
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I agree with you
But last year Pask, Jobello and Hilssner were all bombed out until Pask and Hilssner found clubs in January
There were no takers for Jobello so he was paid off
alexccfc99
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I don’t think Walker is a bad player, at all! He just doesn’t necessarily suit our system
People forget his goals went a long way into keeping us up the other season and scored two in two last season and was then dropped, which probably harmed his confidence
Shame he hasn’t worked out considering Robins wanted him for so long
People forget his goals went a long way into keeping us up the other season and scored two in two last season and was then dropped, which probably harmed his confidence
Shame he hasn’t worked out considering Robins wanted him for so long
Yorkshire SB
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Walker isn't up to the level. Doesn't have the technical ability, pace, or strength required, and then crucially appears to lack the intensity and aggression required to combat those shortcomings.
Not questioning his attitude or professionalism, these aren't attributes you can just turn on/off. He might overcome some of these and improve to the required level in future, but I think if we're serious about progressing he can't be in our plans.
Not questioning his attitude or professionalism, these aren't attributes you can just turn on/off. He might overcome some of these and improve to the required level in future, but I think if we're serious about progressing he can't be in our plans.
Grendel
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Mmmm
21/22 Summer transfer mega-thread
We were rumoured to be looking at Lawrence Shankland. Seems to have a good record in the Scottish Prem. Might be out of our price range though. Possibly could do a job in the Championship, but a gamble, which I suppose is like any transfer. His scoring exploits have slowed right down now he’s...
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Yorkshire SB
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Mmmm
21/22 Summer transfer mega-thread
We were rumoured to be looking at Lawrence Shankland. Seems to have a good record in the Scottish Prem. Might be out of our price range though. Possibly could do a job in the Championship, but a gamble, which I suppose is like any transfer. His scoring exploits have slowed right down now he’s...
Strange. What point are you making there? Just read through and I stand by what I said (a long time ago, and v strange that you've cited it).
The reason Biamou was played so often was because Walker wasn't good enough, didn't have a presence. Biamou wasn't good enough, but he was aggressive and combative, and he made more of a fist of it than Walker, hence the comment.
Gyokeres has changed things massively for us. Love Godden but when we play him up top by himself, we look significantly worse. His finishing been on another level this season though.
SlowerThanPlatt
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Shankland that’s a name from the past, who was the other guy who went to Scotland who CC84 was obsessed with?
SleepyGinger
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Gnanduillet
Grendel
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You said biamou was better than godden and Walker - Walker was top goalscorer that season.
Yorkshire SB
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I didn't say that.
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Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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Biamou aggressive
I'm genuinely surprised it took you this long to get on this thread!
Yorkshire SB
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Biamou aggressive
Lol, fair play, really funny