Grendel
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Interesting. So it’s leave voters. Ok so which political parties have had in their manifesto to leave the EU then?
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Interesting. So it’s leave voters. Ok so which political parties have had in their manifesto to leave the EU then?
Brighton Sky Blue
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Are EU officials not at least appointed to the role on account of some kind of merit for the position?
Grendel
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exactly
Sick Boy
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Which heads of state in EU countries are inherited?
Brighton Sky Blue
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1+1=3
Grendel
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Nope
Which political parties wanted to leave the eu
By definition by the way the majority who support the monarchy are labour voters traditionally as well so good luck
anyway which parties supported brexit - answer please
I was responding to BSB point about EU unelected officials. The argument works both ways
Brighton Sky Blue
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What on Earth are you on about? Look at the polling anyway-Labour voters split with Tories heavily in favour
Brighton Sky Blue
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It doesn’t.
Sick Boy
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The UK also has unelected officials?
Ian1779
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I wasn’t referring to the result, more the tribalism that will engulf us as a consequence.
Hmmmm…Von Der Leyen ?
Anyway this is a Jubilee thread not another brexit one. I was just making the point that while you’re right, Leave voters could be classed as hypocrites, the argument could work in reverse ie Remain voters not wanting an unelected head of state but happy with unelected EU officials.
*runs for cover*
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Grendel
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Im on about the only parties who have a pro brexit anti monarch stance
Sick Boy
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She was appointed by national leaders and elected by the European Parliament.
Grendel
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Bit like Brezhnev was elected by the USSR then?
I was responding to BSBs point about appointments on merit
Brighton Sky Blue
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Not even vaguely related
Brighton Sky Blue
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Was she not still appointed to the position? There is no real comparison to be made.
Sky Blue Pete
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Looks like grendel will need to vote for someone else. Interesting opinions from a senior Tory. Everyone else going no shit Sherlock
Grendel
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Well it is as you claim to a socialist but really are a middle class liberal who has a chip on your shoulder as large as a mega chippy
Brighton Sky Blue
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I don’t remember claiming to be a socialist. I think the HoS should be elected, you think birth should decide.
That’s about it really
stay_up_skyblues
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I don’t mind the history of royalty and enjoyed visiting the sights in London. But the whole people worshipping side of things irks me. They, like celebrities, eat, piss, shit and die like the rest of us. I had to do a visit to a Duchess for work and the boot licking was cringeworthy and makes me uncomfortable.
It doesn’t sit right the wealth they have when people are on the streets. But then again, nor does £4b being spent on a football club or £500k a week being shovelled into Haaland’s pocket. I acknowledge that football money isn’t raised from taxes but still. Wealth distribution is wrong across the board.
I won’t be watching much of it or bowing to Liz. But I’m thankful for the extra day off which will be spent playing with the kids and then watching my favourite ever film in tribute to Ray Liotta.
It doesn’t sit right the wealth they have when people are on the streets. But then again, nor does £4b being spent on a football club or £500k a week being shovelled into Haaland’s pocket. I acknowledge that football money isn’t raised from taxes but still. Wealth distribution is wrong across the board.
I won’t be watching much of it or bowing to Liz. But I’m thankful for the extra day off which will be spent playing with the kids and then watching my favourite ever film in tribute to Ray Liotta.
shmmeee
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duffer
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Big difference between being born into power, and being selected and approved by people who are elected democratically.
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You started with the comparison…I just replied. They are obviously very different situations. My point regarding VDL was responding to your comment that people get appointed on merit
Brighton Sky Blue
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Even if you disagree with the appointment it’s still one up from being born into the role. Go back a few hundred years and the argument was they were handpicked by God.
The truth is we as a country can do a lot better
Hard to disagree.
Grendel
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What would be a lot better
Brighton Sky Blue
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Well basically to be a proper social democracy with a weaker class divide. The Dutch colleagues I once worked with observed quickly that we have a class system ‘on crack’ as my professor put it.
Grendel
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So you despise most of Scandinavia then?
A few more countries we won’t move to then
Brighton Sky Blue
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What?
Grendel
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Most of Scandinavia have a royal family - yes?
Brighton Sky Blue
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Point being?