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[CCFCSteve]

Sunak will be shuffled to minister for very little probably

Reckon he’d just walk if that was the case. He doesn’t need all this. He’s been inadvertently tarnished by Johnson so can’t imagine he’d accept being sidelined

If Johnson wanted to be serious about changing and challenging at the next election he’d get the best team around him. As someone alluded to yesterday though, is anyone decent willing to join his cabinet now ? And that’s if he’s willing to change, which is hugely questionable

 

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[Grendel]

Reckon he’d just walk if that was the case. He doesn’t need all this. He’s been inadvertently tarnished by Johnson so can’t imagine he’d accept being sidelined

If Johnson wanted to be serious about changing and challenging at the next election he’d get the best team around him. As someone alluded to yesterday though, is anyone decent willing to join his cabinet now ? And that’s if he’s willing to change, which is hugely questionable

Ellwood this morning said his expectation is there will be significant cabinet changes - he didn’t quite say “or else” but the threat is clear

Sunak is tarnished as much by his wealth as anything - it’s not a good look and his polling amongst members is on the floor

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

It will purely depend on what happens in the next 12 months and what the polls then are like

The by elections will create more noise and then after that it will settle down but purely depends on future polling in the next year

They will but will also soon be forgotten. He is only going to leave if his party forces him out and simply put they won’t. As for his opposite number I just have no faith he can drive much enthusiasm beyond the centrist fan club

 

[OffenhamSkyBlue]

IMHO they jumped the gun with the timing of the confidence vote. There are two by-elections in just two weeks' time, in which the Tories are pretty much guaranteed to lose their large majorities. THAT would be the time to decide if you had confidence in him, and i think he would have lost because they would all see their noses being pushed out of the trough. But they can't do anything of their own making for another year.

 

[CCFCSteve]

Ellwood this morning said his expectation is there will be significant cabinet changes - he didn’t quite say “or else” but the threat is clear

Sunak is tarnished as much by his wealth as anything - it’s not a good look and his polling amongst members is on the floor

Agree with the logic regarding Sunaks current internal polling/popularity, however, I just can’t see him accepting it

Johnson definitely needs to sort his cabinet out but Sunak is the least of his problems in that respect

 

[CCFCSteve]

IMHO they jumped the gun with the timing of the confidence vote. There are two by-elections in just two weeks' time, in which the Tories are pretty much guaranteed to lose their large majorities. THAT would be the time to decide if you had confidence in him, and i think he would have lost because they would all see their noses being pushed out of the trough. But they can't do anything of their own making for another year.

Yeah, a few were saying the same yesterday. It would’ve made sense to wait as that would’ve been a demonstration of the wider publics views. Whether Johnson wouldve still scraped through, who knows, but with 170 on the payroll it was always more likely than not that he’d survive

 

[skybluetony176]

Apparently they’re going to try and change the rules so they can challenge him with a vote of no confidence again in 6 months not 12.

Still, on a plus note Boris has put this to bed. Raab said so this morning on the TV.

 

[skybluetony176]

The ironically named James Cleverly also trying to claim that Boris is now more popular than he was when elected leader as he got more votes than previous. Not sure James understands exactly what happened yesterday.

 

[OffenhamSkyBlue]

I was at a parish council meeting last night at which we were endorsing the new councillors' code of conduct. We all agreed it was kind of ironic that this had been sent to us on the day Boris changed the parliamentary standards to remove the requirement to adhere to the Nolan Principles of standards in public life (when we at the lowest level of local government were being asked to continue to accept them)

 

[Philosoraptor]

They're crazily saying to, 'move on' now. Think it is getting to a point where it is going to drag to a stop for all of them.

When his anti corruption champion resigns because he says Johnson has broken the ministerial code and that should be a resigning issue, then I can't see any way forward.

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

The result yesterday is the worst possible outcome the Tories could have suffered. It's worse than Boris being ousted.
Time to "move on" as they are pushing won't wash with the British public. " Move on" says let's forget what happened during lockdown. Boris got away with it and you should accept it.
So long as Boris Johnson remains in charge the wound will fester until the general election and the electorate will vote them out . They will not move on. They will not forget and while Boris is still in charge it will just exacerbate the problem.

 

[shmmeee]

Anyone catch the GB News exclusive?

Apparently Sue Grey was caught singing karaoke at a boozy Westminster party… before the pandemic.

Shocking stuff.

 

[CCFCSteve]

They're crazily saying to, 'move on' now. Think it is getting to a point where it is going to drag to a stop for all of them.

When his anti corruption champion resigns because he says Johnson has broken the ministerial code and that should be a resigning issue, then I can't see any way forward.

Thats how I can see the party justifying changing the 12 month rule

 

[clint van damme]

It will purely depend on what happens in the next 12 months and what the polls then are like

The by elections will create more noise and then after that it will settle down but purely depends on future polling in the next year

I think the enquiry will be the big thing. Comes out unscathed he might just ride this out. Found to have misled parliament and he could bein trouble.

 

[Terry Gibson's perm]

The result yesterday is the worst possible outcome the Tories could have suffered. It's worse than Boris being ousted.
Time to "move on" as they are pushing won't wash with the British public. " Move on" says let's forget what happened during lockdown. Boris got away with it and you should accept it.
So long as Boris Johnson remains in charge the wound will fester until the general election and the electorate will vote them out . They will not move on. They will not forget and while Boris is still in charge it will just exacerbate the problem.

They keep banging on about moving on in the hope the people will give up and follow their instructions, he was saved by his party yesterday he has a long way to go to try to get back in favour with the normal people.

 

[SBT]

Don’t think Boris is in quite as much immediate danger as everyone else seems to be suggesting. He still has a big majority in parliament, so there’s no chance of any election coming soon. And with the economic situation only likely to deteriorate further over the next few months, I can see the rationale for any leadership challengers waiting as long as they can before ousting him, while Johnson continues to absorb shit from the public and the media. Throw in the wild card of Labour potentially changing its own leader in the next couple of months and you may as well wait it out while Boris twists in the wind.

 

[Grendel]

Don’t think Boris is in quite as much immediate danger as everyone else seems to be suggesting. He still has a big majority in parliament, so there’s no chance of any election coming soon. And with the economic situation only likely to deteriorate further over the next few months, I can see the rationale for any leadership challengers waiting as long as they can before ousting him, while Johnson continues to absorb shit from the public and the media. Throw in the wild card of Labour potentially changing its own leader in the next couple of months and you may as well wait it out while Boris twists in the wind.

The outcome of beergate will be a big factor

The outcome probably is no fine as no retrospective action but if caught at the time would be - as with Cummings - that makes Starmer in a position where he won’t resign but will get a lot of scrutiny and negative press and the attention shifts

 

[Ian1779]

Anyone catch the GB News exclusive?

Apparently Sue Grey was caught singing karaoke at a boozy Westminster party… before the pandemic.

Shocking stuff.

Yes I saw that - it was the last gasp desperate action of a total grifter.

 

[skybluetony176]

Doesn’t sound like the drawing a line under it is working. Even amongsts the Tories

The Cabinet should act. (Though doubtless it won't.) | Conservative Home

Johnson would be better leaving office undefeated than forced out by further challenges - after yet more weeks or months of stasis.

www.conservativehome.com

 

[SkyBlueMatt]

 

[Sick Boy]

They're crazily saying to, 'move on' now. Think it is getting to a point where it is going to drag to a stop for all of them.

When his anti corruption champion resigns because he says Johnson has broken the ministerial code and that should be a resigning issue, then I can't see any way forward.

It’s just let more empty vacuous slogans for empty vacuous people to repeat over and over

 

[skybluetony176]

He’s on the vinegar strokes too by the sound of it.

 

[skybluetony176]

The undoing of Boris could be that in the past he and the wider government have said something completely nonsensical and too many people have just gone yeah yeah yeah that sounds great without actually considering what it actually is that they’ve just said, or not said as the case usually goes. I think he’s lost enough of that luxury now that waffle, say something in Latin, ruffle hair, meaningless three word slogan isn’t going cut it anymore. Enough people have turned against him now that they won’t accept that and ask for a tangible explanation.

Exhibit A being



Without the luxury of a compliant press it’s going to be more difficult for Boris to hide what an empty vessel he is in reality, devoid of any of the qualities needed to govern in good times let alone difficult times.

Also, didn’t Blockbusters start as a money laundering front for criminals?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

The undoing of Boris could be that in the past he and the wider government have said something completely nonsensical and too many people have just gone yeah yeah yeah that sounds great without actually considering what it actually is that they’ve just said, or not said as the case usually goes. I think he’s lost enough of that luxury now that waffle, say something in Latin, ruffle hair, meaningless three word slogan isn’t going cut it anymore. Enough people have turned against him now that they won’t accept that and ask for a tangible explanation.

Exhibit A being



Without the luxury of a compliant press it’s going to be more difficult for Boris to hide what an empty vessel he is in reality, devoid of any of the qualities needed to govern in good times let alone difficult times.

Also, didn’t Blockbusters start as a money laundering front for criminals?

Vee-gan Clownish Tomjapery

 

[duffer]

IMHO they jumped the gun with the timing of the confidence vote. There are two by-elections in just two weeks' time, in which the Tories are pretty much guaranteed to lose their large majorities. THAT would be the time to decide if you had confidence in him, and i think he would have lost because they would all see their noses being pushed out of the trough. But they can't do anything of their own making for another year.

Except that that would look like (and in fact be) political opportunism, and would likely be highlighted as such by the opposition.

Don't get me wrong, they're Tory MPs, so morals are always elastic at best, but they want to be seen as getting rid of Boris for the good of the country, rather than because they're worried about their own electoral chances. If they wait until after the by-elections that's harder to spin.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

The outcome of beergate will be a big factor

The outcome probably is no fine as no retrospective action but if caught at the time would be - as with Cummings - that makes Starmer in a position where he won’t resign but will get a lot of scrutiny and negative press and the attention shifts

But but but but but but but but but starmer

 

[shmmeee]

Surely a Blockbuster health care system in the age of Netflix is outdated, unused and ultimately bankrupt with just the name surviving?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Surely a Blockbuster health care system in the age of Netflix is outdated, unused and ultimately bankrupt with just the name surviving?

Yeah but what would starmer do and what would Corbyn have done. Can you imagine the unmitigated disaster it would have been without Boris these last couple of years

 

[Grendel]

But but but but but but but but but starmer

Well obviously its about him as well. Oddly people will form opinions of both leaders

 

[PVA]

Johnson has split:

The country
The Union
The Tory party


But yeah let's move on and let him carry on 'running' the country.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Johnson has split:

The country
The Union
The Tory party


But yeah let's move on and let him carry on ruining the country.

Fixed

 

[fernandopartridge]

Reckon he’d just walk if that was the case. He doesn’t need all this. He’s been inadvertently tarnished by Johnson so can’t imagine he’d accept being sidelined

If Johnson wanted to be serious about changing and challenging at the next election he’d get the best team around him. As someone alluded to yesterday though, is anyone decent willing to join his cabinet now ? And that’s if he’s willing to change, which is hugely questionable

Tarnished by Johnson? He's an awful chancellor and his austerity budget in the current environment is enough in itself to tarnish him.

 

[CCFCSteve]

Tarnished by Johnson? He's an awful chancellor and his austerity budget in the current environment is enough in itself to tarnish him.

I meant in terms of partygate

 

[duffer]

Reckon he’d just walk if that was the case. He doesn’t need all this. He’s been inadvertently tarnished by Johnson so can’t imagine he’d accept being sidelined

If Johnson wanted to be serious about changing and challenging at the next election he’d get the best team around him. As someone alluded to yesterday though, is anyone decent willing to join his cabinet now ? And that’s if he’s willing to change, which is hugely questionable

Johnson has never wanted the best team, he wants the ultra-loyalists who go along with him regardless.

Unfortunately the Venn diagram of 'loyal to Johnson' and 'a complete idiot' fit in the same exact circle.

Why do you think he would change? He has already gone from 'humbled' to "I'd do the same thing again".

The man is a complete disgrace; his only redeeming quality is that he clearly highlights how much of the rest of his party is equally shabby.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Why is this?