Tim Fisher interview in The Athletic (15 Viewers)

SlowerThanPlatt

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The pandemic is estimated to have cost Premier League clubs a combined total of £1.37 billion. Games played behind closed doors and so bringing in no match-day revenues, lost sponsorships and rebates paid to TV broadcast partners all accounted for a big financial hit in the top flight of English football.

Further down the domestic game’s pyramid, though, the impact of COVID-19 was felt even more deeply — and it continues to hit hard.

It is estimated that lost match-day revenue in the Premier League accounted for 14 per cent of each club’s income. One division lower in the Championship, that reliance on fans coming through the turnstiles, buying a pie and a pint — as well as on corporate match-day revenue — accounted for double that figure.

No wonder so many clubs have found themselves in dire straits.

It has forced clubs to have a rethink about how they operate, and Coventry City are aiming to get ahead of the game by diversifying their economic model to add more revenue strings to their bow. Chairman Tim Fisher believes COVID-19 was a watershed moment for the EFL and that lessons must be learned.

“I was at the EFL awards recently and I spoke to a number of older club owners and they asked, ‘Tim, what are we going to do?’” Fisher tells The Athletic. “I told them to get moving, because the situation is all catching up with us. If you don’t learn from COVID and the current situation then you are never going to learn. Football clubs are waking up and we want to get ahead of the curve.”

Fisher believes clubs should no longer rely on simply being football operations — existing just from one fixture to the next and relying on the sport’s traditional revenue streams to support them.

Instead, Coventry have branched into education, the West Midlands club linking up with Loughborough University and Brooke House College in neighbouring Leicestershire to launch a full-time elite football programme, called Vector, based at their Under-23 International Academy.

From September, the inaugural group of students will train under head coach Micky Adams, a former Coventry first-team manager, and his coaching staff while also studying for a BSc Sport and Exercise Science with Management, with the degree accredited by Loughborough University.

It is the first programme in the UK to twin a club at Championship level with a world-class education — Loughborough has been named the best university in the world for sports-related subjects for the sixth year running by the global QS higher education league table.

Trials have already taken place in Nigeria and Bulgaria with more planned, while some of the first crop have graduated from Brooke House, which caters for 300 pupils from 68 nationalities up to their A-Level exams. All applicants must meet certain criteria, both in their football and academic ability, and have the appropriate funding.

While Coventry would have first option on any emerging talent deemed to have the potential to make it as a professional player, the organisers of the Vector programme believe many more will make careers for themselves within football but in other fields.

However, there is another reason why the programme, which is similar to the college system in US sport, is important to Coventry.

“I believe football clubs must have something strategic beyond football now,” Fisher says. “If you look at (fellow Championship sides) Bristol City and Middlesbrough, they lost between £30 million and £40 million last year. We lost £4 million.

“I wander around moaning and saying you can only spend a pound once and question the thinking on expenditure, but it has dawned on us that you need another string to the bow, you need another strategy. That might be around technology, data or education, but you need something else.”

Clubs are not sustainable as they are, Fisher believes.

He adds: “We don’t have a benefactor like Leicester City do, so we need to attract other investors over time and do something different. That is where the education comes in.

“I am always nervous about the benefactor model, because you never know if one of them will get up in the morning and go, ‘What was I thinking? Right, That’s your lot’. Everyone looks at Derby County and thinks, ‘There but for the grace of God go I’.

“No club wants to go down the road of Derby.”
 

SlowerThanPlatt

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Clubs must extract themselves from what Fisher calls the traditional football club mentality.

“You play Saturday, Tuesday, Saturday, Wednesday, Saturday, Tuesday — all clubs think about is the next game,” he says. “They don’t have the oxygen to look up and think about a five-year strategy. It is all about getting the cash-flow moving, getting results and getting bums on seats — that is all they think about. But there has to be more to this, there has to be!

“I have been running the club through COVID and it was horrendous. We drew down loans from the EFL, and that really was survival. It is only when you can’t put a game on you realise just how reliant you are on football matches, and that sounds odd. So we need to diversify and reposition. That is what we are doing with Brooke House and Loughborough.

“We think it is just the start.”

Football fans are demanding. They want to see a winning team, their club’s best players kept and new signings made, big investments but still a healthy bank balance at their club. And yet they don’t want to pay more, through their tickets and merchandise, to fund those things. Neither do they want to see their club form partnerships with investors who may be ethically questionable. That, Fisher says, means clubs must find alternative but sustainable revenue streams.

“Technology is one,” states Fisher, who is acutely aware of the huge fixed income that Premier League sides get from broadcasting. “Everybody is talking about NFTs (non-fungible tokens) and what you can do with those.

“There are commercial and technology opportunities, but also monetising data. Everybody has seen what has happened to third-party companies that collect all this data for next to nothing and then monetise it. I think football clubs are now scratching their chins going, ‘Hold on a minute. That’s our data we are giving you for free and you are making a load of coin. How does that work?’ Football clubs are waking up, because they have to.”

Football clubs don’t have to reinvent themselves. At their core, they are still community football clubs. But more imagination is required now if they are to be protected and preserved as such.

“COVID is a watershed moment in time, when you think, ‘Oh my giddy aunt’,” Fisher adds. “Yes, we are a football club and we think about football, but we also have to think outside that principle strapline of putting matches on, full stop.”
 

Grendel

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Have Fisher and Nick Eastwood ever been seen together?

“Tim what are we going to do?”

“Follow the Sisu plan - move out of town twice, lose loads of revenue and then come back again”
 

SlowerThanPlatt

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Have Fisher and Nick Eastwood ever been seen together?

“Tim what are we going to do?”

“Follow the Sisu plan - move out of town twice, lose loads of revenue and then come back again”

“I am always nervous about the benefactor model, because you never know if one of them will get up in the morning and go, ‘What was I thinking? Right, That’s your lot’.

😂
 

SkyblueDad

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You can’t disagree with the gist of his comments and as I suspected our apparent £4million loss is low compared to others but as said above moving out of town, twice, and what did either achieve ?
As for attracting investors what record do sisu have football related to be attractive.
 

Happy_Martian

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Never been a fan of Fisher, especially when he opens his mouth, but the crux of his comments is sensible. Unless you have the Premiership's TV income, there is little to no chance for other clubs to challenge and be sustainable, year on year. We thought SiSu would invest, instead they've kept us barely viable. So many other clubs have the one owner and bank account. When they walk, how does that club survive ?

It's common sense for clubs to diversify their income streams. Fisher's comments aren't surprising, how long it took for them to be said, by anyone, is.
 

Philosoraptor

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“There are commercial and technology opportunities, but also monetising data. Everybody has seen what has happened to third-party companies that collect all this data for next to nothing and then monetise it. I think football clubs are now scratching their chins going, ‘Hold on a minute. That’s our data we are giving you for free and you are making a load of coin. How does that work?’ Football clubs are waking up, because they have to.”

There's got to be a realisation at some point that most of the data which is being used is absolute codswallop. Not talking about measuring individual attributes but group dynamics. If you build your foundations on sand, then the whole building will gradually crumble and collapse.

I think the bigger question here is; so you are collecting all this data. How does that work?
 

Terry Gibson's perm

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Then these owners walked over and took some marketing advice from Gerald Ratner.
 

KenilworthSkyBlue

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Never been a fan of Fisher, especially when he opens his mouth, but the crux of his comments is sensible. Unless you have the Premiership's TV income, there is little to no chance for other clubs to challenge and be sustainable, year on year. We thought SiSu would invest, instead they've kept us barely viable. So many other clubs have the one owner and bank account. When they walk, how does that club survive ?

It's common sense for clubs to diversify their income streams. Fisher's comments aren't surprising, how long it took for them to be said, by anyone, is.

Did we?
 

KenilworthSkyBlue

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“I was at the EFL awards recently and I spoke to a number of older club owners and they asked, ‘Tim, what are we going to do?’” Fisher tells The Athletic. “I told them to get moving, because the situation is all catching up with us. If you don’t learn from COVID and the current situation then you are never going to learn. Football clubs are waking up and we want to get ahead of the curve.”


Prime Brent.
 

chiefdave

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“I was at the EFL awards recently and I spoke to a number of older club owners and they asked, ‘Tim, what are we going to do?’” Fisher tells The Athletic. “I told them to get moving, because the situation is all catching up with us. If you don’t learn from COVID and the current situation then you are never going to learn. Football clubs are waking up and we want to get ahead of the curve.”
if other clubs are coming to Fisher for advice we can expect the collapse of the EFL shortly!
 

DannyThomas_1981

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“Tim, what are we going to do?”

Said by no other club owner.Ever. Except in Tim’s extremely vivid imagination resulting from a hugely inflated ego.

But don’t worry lads - our financial problems are over. We’re partnering with Micky Adams who’s training a few students to kick a ball around and self reference himself at every opportunity.
 

Happy_Martian

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Compared to the abject disasters in the boardroom over the previous 10 years, I believe a lot of fans had high hopes for the new owners. I do agree though, that hope didn't last long.
 

robbiethemole

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Am I the only one who thinks this is a good move? Gives kids who love football but won't make it an entrance in to other careers and has the potential to act as a second academy for us not at our cost... as they will he paying uni fees... am I missing something here?
We’re already tied in with Warwick Uni?
 

Travs

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Surely we already have Uni links with Warwick? Isn’t that where the new stadium is being built

Certainly no harm in building any kind of links with Loughborough... that is one of the elite sporting universities. Its one of the very top athletics/running unis and has an olympic academy there.

Would do no harm in building some links with B'ham Uni either if it is possible, as they are currently of similar calibre in sporting terms.
 

MusicDating

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“I was at the EFL awards recently and I spoke to a number of older club owners and they asked, ‘Tim, what are we going to do?’” Fisher tells The Athletic. “I told them to get moving, because the situation is all catching up with us. If you don’t learn from COVID and the current situation then you are never going to learn. Football clubs are waking up and we want to get ahead of the curve.”


Prime Brent.
Next year's winner?... https://twitter.com/_dhotya
 

SBT

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Tim Fisher launching a CCFC NFT scheme?

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Razzle Dazzle Dean Gordon

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I'm surprised he's got the vision to devise a 5 year plan after all that bleeding from the eyes he put himself through. If i were Boddy i'd be looking over my shoulder for anybody carrying an ice-pick.
 

Mucca Mad Boys

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Perhaps I’m being rather dense, but how does the partnership diversify our income? To me, it sounded like we’d get first dibs on any promising talent coming out of the course… the commercial details were not obvious to me.
 

Nick

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If that was said 8 or 9 years ago about trying to think outside the box and bring money in then fair play.

Common sense though and a bit late.
 

shepardo01

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Brooke House have had a college football programme for some time.
Theirs differs from the standard football education academy (EG Strachan/Rugby Town/Future Pro/Leamington Carl Baker) in that they are privately funded - attracting/trying to recruit players/scholars that will pay silly money to attend - (pretty sure last time I heard a few years ago, 25 grand per year to board and attend programme)
The problem with this is that it did not necessarily attract the best players- just those with money.
This venture type (sport education academy) is now saturated (See how many local ones I named above)
This partnership is very late to the party and I (although could be wrong!) can't see how the club can make much money from this.
Regarding Loughborough Uni - guessing they will just supply the degree aspect of the programme- so purely the education. (The local FEd academies are all offering similar types of pathway beyond L3 (Alevel/college type quals now too!) qualifications.

It is interesting- but just can't see how it will/can be successful for the football club.
 

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