Transfer Shouts (65 Viewers)

[CovLad94]

I'm not concerned or worried at all, it's a good squad that'll only improve on last year, get a few players in, not many, ones that add that extra bit of quality and who knows what we can achieve. Ideally if we were to sell Gyok I'd rather it be sooner rather than later to get full use of the transfer window. We have until 1 September so a while to go yet.

 

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[KenilworthSkyBlue]

All after the start of the season. The guy is hitting the panic button 4 days into the pre-season.

We added them players to a side that wasn’t ready for this league, we have a core now that could look like this

Moore,Dabo,Rose, Hyam, McFadzean, Bidwell, Sheaf, Hamer, O’Hare, Palmer, Gyokeres.

we have options in that we have Godden that can make that a 2 man strike force. We don’t need wholesale transfers, maybe need a couple of squad players.

Are we likely to lose one of them? Yes - but as of yet there’s been no bids. We need a Left wing back maybe and a centre back.

if Hamer or Gyokeres goes - I’m sure the club has a plan.

The difference is that we knew we had at least some finances available for that summer despite Covid and all the challenges that brought due to Sam McCallum being sold 6 months prior, as well as the inevitable sale of Callum Wilson in that window, and the increase in revenue from the Championship TV money for the forthcoming season. Due to Covid and the absence of commercial/ticketing revenue, the division wasn't so erratic with their usual spending habits, ultimately evening the playing field a bit more.

The expectations were also vastly lower from the fanbase.

It's clear when a player is sold that Robins will most likely only receive their wages to reinvest into the squad, which is pretty poor given more Championship clubs are pushing the boat out a bit more, so you can't really blame posters for being less than happy with that prospect when very few managers in the division have to deal with similar roadblocks.

 

[Matt smith]

The difference is that we knew we had at least some finances available for that summer despite Covid and all the challenges that brought due to Sam McCallum being sold 6 months prior, as well as the inevitable sale of Callum Wilson in that window, and the increase in revenue from the Championship TV money for the forthcoming season. Due to Covid and the absence of ticketing revenue, every club was also brought down to a more realistic level spending, ultimately evening the playing field a bit more.

The expectations were also vastly lower from the fanbase.

It's clear is a player is sold that Robins will most likely only receive their wages to reinvest into the squad, which is pretty poor given more Championship clubs are pushing the boat out a bit more, so you can't really blame posters for being less than happy with that prospect when very few managers in the division have to deal with similar roadblocks.

All fans want is for us to replace our quality players if they get sold, we’re not asking for the world

 

[Matt smith]

Yes but that isn’t what will happen. We’ll be replacing Gyo with Plange on loan

Sisu out chants by 2023

 

[NortonSkyBlue]

The difference is that we knew we had at least some finances available for that summer despite Covid and all the challenges that brought due to Sam McCallum being sold 6 months prior, as well as the inevitable sale of Callum Wilson in that window, and the increase in revenue from the Championship TV money for the forthcoming season. Due to Covid and the absence of commercial/ticketing revenue, every club was also brought down to a more realistic level spending, ultimately evening the playing field a bit more.

The expectations were also vastly lower from the fanbase.

It's clear is a player is sold that Robins will most likely only receive their wages to reinvest into the squad, which is pretty poor given more Championship clubs are pushing the boat out a bit more, so you can't really blame posters for being less than happy with that prospect when very few managers in the division have to deal with similar roadblocks.

And if some of them like Derby, Reading, Birmingham had such a road block it would have been prudent.
I get that some are concerned but this time last year Gyo was a uninspired addition to the squad and now he is the main man.

 

[KenilworthSkyBlue]

And if some of them like Derby, Reading, Birmingham had such a road block it would have been prudent.
I get that some are concerned but this time last year Gyo was a uninspired addition to the squad and now he is the main man.

Such a ridiculous arguement. A small amount of extra investment in the playing squad doesn't equate to the club plunging itself into crisis.

We're asking for the majority of what the club makes to be kept within the club and reinvested back.

 

[Saddlebrains]

What I don't understand is the following.


Last season we got Gyok for 1, Mill, sheaf for 750k

So that's 1.75 million in fees

Season before, Hamer for 1.3, Walker for a reported 1 Mill

So, an average of around £2 Million in Transfer fees seems available to MR in the summer yes?


So when we have record season ticket sales, a much higher average attendance than planned for, a better F+B and rental deal, along with club record merchandise sales, why the fuck are we apparently so skint?

This is the bit that gets me. We've done our bit, everything asked of us all, financially and vocally. About time they did

And this is coming from someone whos actually a SISU advocate since 2017

 

[Deity]

The Robins comments re operating with a smaller squad are a u turn on his close of season comments so something has changed.

 

[WGABSOOS]

What I don't understand is the following.


Last season we got Gyok for 1, Mill, sheaf for 750k

So that's 1.75 million in fees

Season before, Hamer for 1.3, Walker for a reported 1 Mill

So, an average of around £2 Million in Transfer fees seems available to MR in the summer yes?


So when we have record season ticket sales, a much higher average attendance than planned for, a better F+B and rental deal, along with club record merchandise sales, why the fuck are we apparently so skint?

This is the bit that gets me. We've done our bit, everything asked of us all, financially and vocally. About time they did

And this is coming from someone whos actually a SISU advocate since 2017

Free transfers wages and signing on fees. Contract extensions and increases. Training ground improvements.

 

[stupot07]

We still have one of the lowest turnovers in the league. The 2020/21 season we were the fourth lowest in the league with £11.8m per year, above only Blackpool, Peterborough and Hull.

Coventry City in Championship spending power league table

Clubs in the Championship are braced for significant changes in the rules which dictate how much they can spend on transfers and wages

www.coventrytelegraph.net

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[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

It isn't ridiculous at all. Hamer plays well in part due to how good sheaf is in his role. In my opinion sheaf is far more valuable than hamer.

Sheaf is better and more valuable than Hamer? Hamer only plays well due to Sheaf?

You started early this morning!

 

[WGABSOOS]

Sheaf is better and more valuable than Hamer? Hamer only plays well due to Sheaf?

You started early this morning!

He is though. I didn't expect you to agree though in fairness

 

[Saddlebrains]

Free transfers wages and signing on fees. Contract extensions and increases. Training ground improvements.

A normal club shouldnt take training ground improvements out of the playing budget

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

He is though. I didn't expect you to agree though in fairness

Please explain it to me.

Hamer is being quoted at as somewhere around 8 million. You think someone would offer us more than that for Sheaf?

 

[WGABSOOS]

A normal club shouldnt take training ground improvements out of the playing budget

So how do we pay for those then given the current situation?

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

What I don't understand is the following.


Last season we got Gyok for 1, Mill, sheaf for 750k

So that's 1.75 million in fees

Season before, Hamer for 1.3, Walker for a reported 1 Mill

So, an average of around £2 Million in Transfer fees seems available to MR in the summer yes?


So when we have record season ticket sales, a much higher average attendance than planned for, a better F+B and rental deal, along with club record merchandise sales, why the fuck are we apparently so skint?

This is the bit that gets me. We've done our bit, everything asked of us all, financially and vocally. About time they did

And this is coming from someone whos actually a SISU advocate since 2017

Don’t we also owe the football league money? We loaned off them during Covid.

don’t get me wrong I do want investment, I don’t see why we can’t spend what we usually do, I’m just not hitting the panic button 4 days in, and being depressed for the whole time.

 

[KenilworthSkyBlue]

What I don't understand is the following.


Last season we got Gyok for 1, Mill, sheaf for 750k

So that's 1.75 million in fees

Season before, Hamer for 1.3, Walker for a reported 1 Mill

So, an average of around £2 Million in Transfer fees seems available to MR in the summer yes?


So when we have record season ticket sales, a much higher average attendance than planned for, a better F+B and rental deal, along with club record merchandise sales, why the fuck are we apparently so skint?

This is the bit that gets me. We've done our bit, everything asked of us all, financially and vocally. About time they did

And this is coming from someone whos actually a SISU advocate since 2017

£2.3 EFL loan due in a year I think and £4m losses (largely made up of interest owed to SISU), Ryton pitch improvements, increased contracts for Hamer, O'Hare, Godden, Hyam and Allen - the latter of which have been stated as being unsustainable for the club to pay, instalments on Sheaf and Gyokeres to pay. General club overheads that will be in need of covering also.

Probably the best part of £45k pw going out on Kane, Walker, Dacosta, Hilssner, Kelly and Waghorn - all players in need of moving on.

 

[mr_monkey]

A normal club shouldnt take training ground improvements out of the playing budget

There isn't such a thing as playing budget though, there is just budget so robins et al get a pot of money and they choose what to spend it on

 

[WGABSOOS]

Please explain it to me.

Hamer is being quoted at as somewhere around 8 million. You think someone would offer us more than that for Sheaf?

Creative players get higher bids. Sheaf is more valuable to the team not financially but purely playing wise. Who would you rely on defensively if we are under the cosh? Hamer gets booked every game hardly disciplined. Sheaf performing his job allows hamer the time to create .

 

[Saddlebrains]

i wont be panicking just yet

However one thing i will say

If we do lose Gyok or Hamer and dont replace at all

We will go down

 

[fernandopartridge]

The Robins comments re operating with a smaller squad are a u turn on his close of season comments so something has changed.

That might be the price to pay for retaining the prized assets, if so, I am generally OK with it.

 

[Saddlebrains]

That might be the price to pay for retaining the prized assets, if so, I am generally OK with it.

As would i be.

Keeping the 3 of them, adding 2 cb a lwb even all as loans sign me up

 

[mr_monkey]

i wont be panicking just yet

However one thing i will say

If we do lose Gyok or Hamer and dont replace at all

We will go down

Like we were sleepwalking to going down last season and the season before you mean

If we lose either of course we will replace them, you have to think of the long game at the moment, we have been a shell of a club for years and are still recovering from that

 

[KenilworthSkyBlue]

That might be the price to pay for retaining the prized assets, if so, I am generally OK with it.

I'd imagine that's more down to the fact that he knows it's going to be incredibly difficult to move players on without shouldering a significant proportion of their wages.

 

[rexo87]

i wont be panicking just yet

However one thing i will say

If we do lose Gyok or Hamer and dont replace at all

We will go down

We wouldn't at all. There's going to be some poor sides this season. Brum Reading Rortherham Wigan are going to be awful. We should absolutely replace anyone we sell but we wouldn't go down unless we sold all of them

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[GaryMabbuttsLeftKnee]

Exactly this is exactly the point. Everyone expects us to sell our best players at some point but the whole 'model' falls apart if you don't replace.

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You're right it definitely does, and it's definitely a worry. That said, and I am not saying that they are this forward thinking by any stretch, but if they didn't reinvest in a possible future saleable asset this window, it could be a business decision to plug a gap, with a free or a loan, as the right player wasn't available and they have one lined up for next summer etc. That would be a very glass half full look at it, and wouldn't expect many fans to accept it, but it would make more sense than overspending on the wrong player this window.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

What I don't understand is the following.


Last season we got Gyok for 1, Mill, sheaf for 750k

So that's 1.75 million in fees

Season before, Hamer for 1.3, Walker for a reported 1 Mill

So, an average of around £2 Million in Transfer fees seems available to MR in the summer yes?


So when we have record season ticket sales, a much higher average attendance than planned for, a better F+B and rental deal, along with club record merchandise sales, why the fuck are we apparently so skint?

This is the bit that gets me. We've done our bit, everything asked of us all, financially and vocally. About time they did

And this is coming from someone whos actually a SISU advocate since 2017

Good questions and it’s a wait and see. Was palmer free?

 

[NortonSkyBlue]

Such a ridiculous arguement. A small amount of extra investment in the playing squad doesn't equate to the club plunging itself into crisis.

We're asking for the majority of what the club makes to be kept within the club and reinvested back.

You know the parameters the manager works to yet you still bitch and moan like anything is going to change.

 

[Grendel]

What I don't understand is the following.


Last season we got Gyok for 1, Mill, sheaf for 750k

So that's 1.75 million in fees

Season before, Hamer for 1.3, Walker for a reported 1 Mill

So, an average of around £2 Million in Transfer fees seems available to MR in the summer yes?


So when we have record season ticket sales, a much higher average attendance than planned for, a better F+B and rental deal, along with club record merchandise sales, why the fuck are we apparently so skint?

This is the bit that gets me. We've done our bit, everything asked of us all, financially and vocally. About time they did

And this is coming from someone whos actually a SISU advocate since 2017

Wage escalation and the ability to maintain the wages - its going to be between £17 - £20 m a year now

 

[Nick]

We're asking for the majority of what the club makes to be kept within the club and reinvested back.

Isn't it?

 

[KenilworthSkyBlue]

Isn't it?

Well clearly not if as is being suggested any fee likely received won't be given back to Robins to reinvest back into the playing squad?

 

[Nick]

Well clearly not if as is being suggested any fee likely received won't be given back to Robins to reinvest back into the playing squad?

You said kept within the club? Make up your mind what you are annoyed about.

 

[KenilworthSkyBlue]

You said kept within the club? Make up your mind what you are annoyed about.

I meant with regards to transfers.

 

[Nick]

I meant with regards to transfers.

Much more to things than transfer fees though.

Im going to wait until the end of the window to see how it looks.

 

[KenilworthSkyBlue]

Wage escalation and the ability to maintain the wages - its going to be between £17 - £20 m a year now

£17m would be my guess - including all staff. If it was £20m, that would equate to every player at the club being on £15k pw.