mark82
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I read it that they were quoted that price recently, rather than the player was in the league recently.
Gyökeres Bids (28 Viewers)
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I read it that they were quoted that price recently, rather than the player was in the league recently.
junglej13
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Concern I have with Gyökeres is that the Middlesbrough interest doesn't seem to be going away. It would seem to me his agent will know what is on offer and it would be of interest. Be painful to lose Gyökeres to Middlesbrough but sounds like they will come with a healthy bank account after a couple of sales, and we just need to get the best deal for the club... Which I think we will.
skybluepm2
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yet that’s the figure they’re sticking by for Spence.. a ‘championship’ player who, like Gyokeres has just had a fantastic season. Furthermore, they’re a Championship rival, why would we give one our star players away for less than we believe he’s worth, just because they are trying to pinch him on the cheap.
Can’t stand that sour faced, miserable fuck. Would love him to fail at Middlesbrough next season.
Grendel
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Frostie
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Terry_dactyl
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Ok…you’ve seen him.
I think that last paragraph is nonsense. On that basis players like Ian Wright or Jamie Vardy are absolute shite!
As you’ve agreed, strikers go for more money than fullbacks. We’re not really discussing who is the better player or who has the brighter future…we’re talking about how much money they will go for.
I therefore think it’s not inconceivable that Gyokeres is ‘worth’ as much as Spence.
Frostie
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The difference being, one is wanted by a Top 6 PL side with ambitions of Champions League whilst the others strongest suitor is a mid-table Championship side.
No Championship club is paying another Championship club the sort of fees quoted for Gyökeres or anyone else. This is why I think we'll keep hold of him for now.
You’ve just proved my point. You don’t need in-depth tactical knowledge to see the points I’m making
Terry_dactyl
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Well, it’s not unprecedented that a striker will move within the championship for £15mil, which is the figure that was said here…I’d be amazed if he went for £20-£25mil as potentially quoted elsewhere.
Yeah, I think we should definitely keep hold of him. Another season like last year and we could be looking at those figures.
SlowerThanPlatt
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Ambitions? I thought it was Spurs who want him who qualified for CL, if you’re talking about Spence?
Frostie
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It's happened once ever & that was 5 years ago to a relegated club with parachute payments.
Fees are going down in the Championship not up.
Frostie
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Yes, sorry - not brilliantly worded. I meant a team that should qualify & hope to even compete to win Champions Leagues.
SlowerThanPlatt
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Assombolonga was it? Rhodes went for a big fee too Championship to Championship
Terry_dactyl
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So, not unprecedented then!
Yeah, ok…hadnt appreciated the decline in transfer fees.
There have been a few big fees paid previously.
Frostie
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Yes, given that it was Boro then too & they ended up giving Assombalonga away for free I'm pretty sure they won't be risking similar again!
Think Rhodes was about £8m a decade ago.
Largest Championship to Championship deal in last few seasons was Harry Arter from Bournemouth to Forest for allegedly c.£5m although I don't believe given his lack of appearances that Forest ever paid anywhere near that. Either way, another unmitigated disaster
Terry_dactyl
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Not quite the right list but still the top championship signings…
KenilworthSkyBlue
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Those two players are massive exceptions to the rule though. Using those examples to support your arguement doesn't disprove mine.
I do think it's inconceivable though otherwise by your own logic Maddison or Bellingham shouldn't have gone for more than McBurnie or Bowen (yes I know a winger), or Cash and Webster for more than Che Adams or Armstrong. Just becasue he's a striker doesn't mean he's automatically worth more than any other player regardless of their talent.
Terry_dactyl
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I think it kinda does. I’m sure if we were to go through the league’s history we could come up with countless players who have developed later than others, or countless players who have been excellent when young ie that faded to have mediocre careers. I don’t think either of us can be bothered to do that.
I’ve accepted your point, as @Frostie points out, a transfer fee to another championship club is unlikely to be the same as Spence commands, if he goes to Spurs for £15mil. Given the more recent decline in money spent by championship clubs on other championship players.
I’ve accepted your point, as @Frostie points out, a transfer fee to another championship club is unlikely to be the same as Spence commands, if he goes to Spurs for £15mil. Given the more recent decline in money spent by championship clubs on other championship players.
KenilworthSkyBlue
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Oh man. By the looks of it you might give Gyokeres to them for free
Not really, I think the club should certainly hold out for his maximum worth. I just don't conform to the idea that a club would realistically pay £15m or higher for him though.
Sky Blue Pete
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If he stays we have little wriggle room to improve the squad which is Gyok Ohare and Hamer all improve again next season might not be such a bad thing
KenilworthSkyBlue
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The issue is Pete, all aforementioned players go into the final year of their contracts next summer. The club at present are in the driving seat with regards to what they can demand from interested parties.
However, if any of the three suffer injuries/drop of form then come next summer their valuation won't be as strong, nor will the club's negotiating position - exacerbated by the fact all only have one year left on their current deals, meaning we pretty much won't have a choice to sell if there's an indication they aren't looking to extend their deals. Obviously it could go the other way, but it's a concern they'd be stupid not to consider.
The club are obviously pushing the rhetoric that they're not in a position to sell, however if bids come in that are attractive then it might be too difficult to turn down.
Frostie
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He'll never admit it but I bet MR would quite like to move Hamer on sooner rather than later.
KenilworthSkyBlue
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But saying he might not because countless players haven't isn't really all that relevant. The point is at present he is a player that is considered to have a very bright career ahead of him and that's supported by the fact Spence is attracting serious interest from Spurs and Gyokeres' only definitive interest so far has been from a mid-table Championship side. Both might flop or one may oust the other completely, but at present I know who I'd happily put my money on.
Exactly, the aftereffects from the pandemic have to be factored in as there's clearly a significant correlation there. Championship clubs, apart from Bournemouth and Fulham, are now far more hesitant/unable to pay big fees on players.
Terry_dactyl
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SlowerThanPlatt
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Allegedly, that would appear more realistic than £25m
SeaSeeEffCee
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What do you think the reasoning behind that is?
Sky Blue Pete
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Money to invest and wages for different players
KenilworthSkyBlue
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Hamer's new contract is likely completely financially unsustainable in the long run and he's one that Robins feels he can probably most afford to lose out of the three. At a guess.
SkyblueDad
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His contract will be within budget
Sky Blue Pete
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It’s not some itk have said
SlowerThanPlatt
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Nah Rupert knows better
Legia Sky Blue
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Some posters on here give the impression they are quite happy to lose Hamer and/ or Gyokeres for whatever fee the potential buying club see fit to offer us. Feels like I am in a minority thinking we should keep them unless someone offers us a ridiculous fee. I would rather we see where we are in January or at the end of the season, taking that chance on injuries or loss of form. To me the upside outweighs the downside. Despite what some seem to think, these players will not easily be replaced. Get it wrong and we could easily become relegation candidates.
Grendel
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We have a thin squad and the wages for o hare and hamer can’t be sustained. We need to sell one to avoid borrowing more Wonga loans
Legia Sky Blue
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I agree its a balancing act but I just don't buy into the argument that these players will all automatically lose their value in the next 12 months. They might, they might not. I just think the upside of keeping all 3 at the moment outweighs selling them. Of course, I accept if they become unsettled and push to leave then that dynamic changes, or if someone offers silly money, but as of now I think as a club we are better keeping all 3 and limiting any further transfer incomings to loans than selling them for £5m a piece.