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Liquid Gold

Liquid Gold

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Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
I guess that is the question we all want to know. How is the rest of the squad going to look?

Red flags are already flying a bit with me and Palmer. I totally accept this is a hill I am dying on at the moment, and I very much hope that I'm wrong. I just struggle to see how following six poor seasons in the championship, that the seventh will be good. If anyone can turn it round then I agree that is probably Viveash and Robins, but surely the odds are that it continues as it has been for so long. How many other players turn it around after such? We have to take risks, I accept that, but if after all these years in the championship, the positives are pretty much squared at 'he looks good on youtube' which makes it feel like my concerns are validated even more.
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You're losing your head looking at goals and assists.

Palmer is a good player and he'll fit in well here.

I've actually seen him play many times, he's popular down here and is a classy player that can do things few in our team are capable of.
 
Earlsdon_Skyblue1

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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Earlsdon_Skyblue1

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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Liquid Gold said:
You're losing your head looking at goals and assists.

Palmer is a good player and he'll fit in well here.

I've actually seen him play many times, he's popular down here and is a classy player that can do things few in our team are capable of.
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Why wouldn't you look at goals and assists? We have one number 10 who is amazing at everything apart from end product, and we really need more in that area. This is not just one season's worth of data we are looking at, he has failed to provide a good amount in six seasons in the championship.

He might be a 'classy player' in your eyes, and I am sure your experience watching him is valid, but how on any planet is that enough? If there is no end product then it is pointless. If he is going to be one of our highest paid players then there are a lot of question marks too.
 
Liquid Gold

Liquid Gold

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Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
Why wouldn't you look at goals and assists? We have one number 10 who is amazing at everything apart from end product, and we really need more in that area. This is not just one season's worth of data we are looking at, he has failed to provide a good amount in six seasons in the championship.

He might be a 'classy player' in your eyes, and I am sure your experience watching him is valid, but how on any planet is that enough? If there is no end product then it is pointless. If he is going to be one of our highest paid players then there are a lot of question marks too.
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You don't look at goals and assists because he hasn't been played forward enough at Bristol. They have mainly utilised him as a deeper player that doesn't suit his skillset. It's like moaning that Sheaf doesn't have enough goals and assists.
 
Earlsdon_Skyblue1

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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Liquid Gold said:
You don't look at goals and assists because he hasn't been played forward enough at Bristol. They have mainly utilised him as a deeper player that doesn't suit his skillset. It's like moaning that Sheaf doesn't have enough goals and assists.
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It is nothing like comparing him to Sheaf, come on. He has played a lot more advanced in most games and has had many more seasons under his belt. Sheaf doesn't score enough either, but that is a separate point. You might as well compare jelly and ice cream.

I get that you watched him, and got a bit excited, and I get others want us to sign someone because they are impatient, but look at the facts. We need players with end product, and his record is dismal, potential or not. Hopefully you can bump this at the end of the season and we can laugh about it, but based on his career so far, having him as a top earner seems a massive risk.
 
shmmeee

shmmeee

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Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
It is nothing like comparing him to Sheaf, come on. He has played a lot more advanced in most games and has had many more seasons under his belt. Sheaf doesn't score enough either, but that is a separate point. You might as well compare jelly and ice cream.

I get that you watched him, and got a bit excited, and I get others want us to sign someone because they are impatient, but look at the facts. We need players with end product, and his record is dismal, potential or not. Hopefully you can bump this at the end of the season and we can laugh about it, but based on his career so far, having him as a top earner seems a massive risk.
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His record when he’s on the pitch isn’t actually that bad. His problem is he’s never nailed down a starting place at this level.
 
Greggs

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Liquid Gold said:
You're losing your head looking at goals and assists.

Palmer is a good player and he'll fit in well here.

I've actually seen him play many times, he's popular down here and is a classy player that can do things few in our team are capable of.
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Might aswell just keep playing Jamie Allen up there if goals and assists dont matter.
 
ccfc1234

ccfc1234

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8.6million up front or in instalments is not enough. Ollie McBernie nearly 20 million Rhian Brewester simular. I am sure others can add to that list. The going rate for a close to 20 goals a season forward is more than 8 million and when you factor in finishing/ scoring is his worst attribute it's a really bad deal.
His playing style suits the Robins philosophy really well and in my view we were 1 goal getting ACM to play with COH behind Vik away from the top 6. To let him go now would be senseless. 15+ million maybe, but nothing less.
 
Frostie

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ccfc1234 said:
8.6million up front or in instalments is not enough. Ollie McBernie nearly 20 million Rhian Brewester simular. I am sure others can add to that list. The going rate for a close to 20 goals a season forward is more than 8 million and when you factor in finishing/ scoring is his worst attribute it's a really bad deal.
His playing style suits the Robins philosophy really well and in my view we were 1 goal getting ACM to play with COH behind Vik away from the top 6. To let him go now would be senseless. 15+ million maybe, but nothing less.
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What players like McBurnie, Brewster etc. went for in the past isn't really relevant imo. Championship clubs simply don't spend those kind of fees nowadays so it would have to be a Premier League move & I'm not sure he's quite there yet. Clubs at that level would want to see more evidence that he can sustain it imo. They would be unlikely to persevere in the way we did if he went 12 games without scoring again for example. For that reason I can see us holding on to him or, at a push he could go abroad.

This is why I think Hamer is the more likely to get a move, less pressure on a CM than a Striker to make an immediate impact & we can likely find a willing PL club to take him for a sizeable fee.
 
Finham

Finham

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Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
Quite a few Swedish Internationals have played in Türkiye, so I could imagine this to be a move that wouldn't be so far-fetched. 10 million euros (even if some of us think he could be worth more), will be very appealing for the club I would imagine.
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The Ottoman & Swedish Empire's were close historically. The Swedish king even went to live in Turkey when he fell!: Charles XII of Sweden - Wikipedia
 
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Kilclines curly mullet

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ccfc1234 said:
8.6million up front or in instalments is not enough. Ollie McBernie nearly 20 million Rhian Brewester simular. I am sure others can add to that list. The going rate for a close to 20 goals a season forward is more than 8 million and when you factor in finishing/ scoring is his worst attribute it's a really bad deal.
His playing style suits the Robins philosophy really well and in my view we were 1 goal getting ACM to play with COH behind Vik away from the top 6. To let him go now would be senseless. 15+ million maybe, but nothing less.
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He is simply not worth £15 million
 
ccfc1234

ccfc1234

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Frostie said:
What players like McBurnie, Brewster etc. went for in the past isn't really relevant imo. Championship clubs simply don't spend those kind of fees nowadays so it would have to be a Premier League move & I'm not sure he's quite there yet. Clubs at that level would want to see more evidence that he can sustain it imo. They would be unlikely to persevere in the way we did if he went 12 games without scoring again for example. For that reason I can see us holding on to him or, at a push he could go abroad.

This is why I think Hamer is the more likely to get a move, less pressure on a CM than a Striker to make an immediate impact & we can likely find a willing PL club to take him for a sizeable fee.
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Not going to disagree there is uncertainty but let's see come the end of the window if inflated prices are a thing of the past. In my view he has the makings of a player who could be worth 20 million and for those reasons a sale now in what you describe as a depressed market would perhaps not make strategic sense.
 
ccfc1234

ccfc1234

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SlowerThanPlatt said:
The level of club reportedly interested in him so far Fulham, Middlesbrough and Besiktas doesn’t point to a £15m fee
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Agree right now but there is a player there who could be worth that. Players are signed for what they are now but if they are also in their early 20s what they could develop to be.
 
alexccfc99

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Middlesbrough apparently on the verge of signing Dwight Gayle and David McGoldrick - With the young lad Coburn also there maybe you could argue they’ve given up on Viktor?

can imagine he would want to be the focal point of any side now he is consistently getting in the Sweden squads
 
Sick Boy

Sick Boy

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alexccfc99 said:
Middlesbrough apparently on the verge of signing Dwight Gayle and David McGoldrick - With the young lad Coburn also there maybe you could argue they’ve given up on Viktor?

can imagine he would want to be the focal point of any side now he is consistently getting in the Sweden squads
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He's only a squad player for Sweden, isn't he?
If he was offered more wages at a club with more chance of going up, I doubt he'd be bothered about being the focal point.
 
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Yorkshire SB

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Sick Boy said:
He's only a squad player for Sweden, isn't he?
If he was offered more wages at a club with more chance of going up, I doubt he'd be bothered about being the focal point.
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I think he definitely would be. World Cup on the horizon, he will be desperate to be involved.

It wasn’t something I’d considered, but could give us a better chance of keeping hold of him.

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Deity

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SlowerThanPlatt said:
The level of club reportedly interested in him so far Fulham, Middlesbrough and Besiktas doesn’t point to a £15m fee
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The Spence fee is an interesting benchmark. If as speculated it’s £15m rising to £20m for a right back with a questionable off the pitch life ( according to Warnock ) then what does that make a striker worth ??
 
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KenilworthSkyBlue

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Deity said:
The Spence fee is an interesting benchmark. If as speculated it’s £15m rising to £20m for a right back with a questionable off the pitch life ( according to Warnock ) then what does that make a striker worth ??
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You're surely joking. Spence is one of the most exciting young players coming out of the Championship last season.
 
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Deity

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KenilworthSkyBlue said:
You're surely joking. Spence is one of the most exciting young players coming out of the Championship last season.
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Right backs don’t tend to go for more than centre forwards … however exciting they are. Both he and Vik have had one exciting season in the Championship. That’s it.
 
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KenilworthSkyBlue

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Deity said:
Right backs don’t tend to go for more than centre forwards … however exciting they are. Both he and Vik have had one exciting season in the Championship. That’s it.
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Spence is 21 with all the traits you want from a wing-back and a great deal of potential, a full England U21 international and had an outstanding season, playing a big part in helping Forest achieve promotion to the PL.

He's not a benchmark at all.

Fans vastly overestimate Gyokeres' worth. If he is to go he won't be sold for anywhere near £15m.
 
Terry_dactyl

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KenilworthSkyBlue said:
Spence is 21 with all the traits you want from a wing-back and a great deal of potential, a full England U21 international and had an outstanding season, playing a big part in helping Forest achieve promotion to the PL.

He's not a benchmark at all.

Fans vastly overestimate Gyokeres' worth. If he is to go he won't be sold for anywhere near £15m.
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Vik is a full Swedish international and has scored at that level, with all the traits you’d want from a striker/forward, he’s had an outstanding season in a team many were surprised were still challenging for playoffs until near the end of the season, scoring 17 goals along the way. He also scored against Premier league opposition.

Strikers do tend to go for more than fullbacks…
 
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Deity

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KenilworthSkyBlue said:
Spence is 21 with all the traits you want from a wing-back and a great deal of potential, a full England U21 international and had an outstanding season, playing a big part in helping Forest achieve promotion to the PL.

He's not a benchmark at all.

Fans vastly overestimate Gyokeres' worth. If he is to go he won't be sold for anywhere near £15m.
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I wish I was negotiating with you. If Vik gets 8-10 goals by Xmas you will get more than £15m in January. Young forwards have always commanded a premium, always will.
 
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KenilworthSkyBlue

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Terry_dactyl said:
Vik is a full Swedish international and has scored at that level, with all the traits you’d want from a striker/forward, he’s had an outstanding season in a team many were surprised were still challenging for playoffs until near the end of the season, scoring 17 goals along the way. He also scored against Premier league opposition.

Strikers do tend to go for more than fullbacks…
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Of course they do, I've not said otherwise. But any notion that Gyokeres warrants equal to or more than Spence in terms of a fee is utterly ridiculous given the latter's demand, potential and quality.

Gyokeres' erratic finishing and lack of consistency in front of goal likely would put off a number of potential suitors.
 
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