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Grendel

Grendel

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shmmeee said:
Problem with this position is if you only accept Brexiters it condemns us to poor quality leaders forever more. We’ve seen first hand in the Tory party that that level of ideological purity does to a cohort of politicians.
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ironic given the previous leader and shadow chancellor were the biggest Brexiters of anyone and certainly meant it far more than Johnson
 
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skybluetony176

skybluetony176

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Grendel said:
Starmer is a europhile he will fudge the single market issue near election time if he hasn’t been booted out before then
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Boris is a europhile who pretended to be a brexiteer and then made such a hash of it you can only assume it’s deliberate so at some point we join again.
 
shmmeee

shmmeee

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Grendel said:
ironic given the previous leader and shadow chancellor were the biggest Brexiters of anyone and certainly meant it far more than Johnson
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And you thought they were high quality?

The same issue can be seen on the left where the majority of the talent was sat on the backbenches because they weren’t pure enough.
 
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Grendel

Grendel

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shmmeee said:
And you thought they were high quality?

The same issue can be seen on the left where the majority of the talent was sat on the backbenches because they weren’t pure enough.
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Well I thought McDonnell was
 
Ian1779

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This is absolute nonsense. Nobody tried to circumvent a deocratic decision. In fact, offering up a vote on every decision made at every point would be true democracy. It was as much that the Leader of the Opposition was a) perceived as an IRA and terrorist sympathiser, so lost a huge number of floating votes, and b) caught himself between wanting to leave the EU in actuality, and his party's preferred policy so came across as vague, insincere and bumbling (indeed, a magnified version of his main performances) c) said policy going more hardcore because they saw the Lib Dems polling well on their commitments to work out a deal to stay in the EU, so wanted a piece of that, therefore making their ownposition appear muddled and insincere, while also taking votes of the Lib Dems to neither party's advantage d) the opposition parties were unable to co-ordinate a policy through parliament due to them detesting the Leader of the Opposition, and said Leader being unwilling to compromise in any way to work out a deal with other parties, and e) a total lack of co-ordination across electoral seats, which saw opportunities lost and losses magnified.

Johnson did indeed offer an end to stalemate, and in that he has delivered as promised. Still, Starmer is committing to keeping the current deal, so that ought to please everybody.
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Respectfully I disagree.

Whilst the more politically astute would indeed agree with your points, the majority of people saw a simple binary choice - between a party ready to ‘do’ Brexit and a party ready to ‘stop’ Brexit.

A message our media was more than happy to share far and wide.
 
shmmeee

shmmeee

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Grendel said:
Well I thought McDonnell was
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McDonnell is the closest the SCG has to quality and even he pulled the red book trick which backfired spectacularly and is best known for supporting the IRA and wishing Thatcher dead. And I like the guy generally. But you can’t claim an abundance of talent when Richard fucking Burgon makes the front bench.

We have two broad church parties, you can’t demand ideological purity on either side without letting the loonies run the asylum.
 
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Grendel

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Grendel said:
ironic given the previous leader and shadow chancellor were the biggest Brexiters of anyone and certainly meant it far more than Johnson
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Why is PVA laughing at this is it untrue?
 
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Grendel

Grendel

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shmmeee said:
McDonnell is the closest the SCG has to quality and even he pulled the red book trick which backfired spectacularly and is best known for supporting the IRA and wishing Thatcher dead. And I like the guy generally. But you can’t claim an abundance of talent when Richard fucking Burgon makes the front bench.

We have two broad church parties, you can’t demand ideological purity on either side without letting the loonies run the asylum.
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It’s just ridiculous though isn’t it?

Honestly in some respects I don’t mind Rayner either. At least she’s a conviction politician and has something about her and is growing into her role.

The funny thing is it’s the tories that have been diluted. Johnson is just a lazy liberal really. I can’t think of anybody left in the Tory party that’s truly Tory - Raab perhaps

it’s a bit of a sad day in uk politics when we have Starmer as the voice of the left - he’s right midfield I must admit I’d rather lose an election to Rayner and McDonnell at least it’s an agenda - not one I remotely support but it would get politics back on track. Now its Starmer with a bit of Ed Davy thrown in
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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Grendel said:
It’s just ridiculous though isn’t it?

Honestly in some respects I don’t mind Rayner either. At least she’s a conviction politician and has something about her and is growing into her role.

The funny thing is it’s the tories that have been diluted. Johnson is just a lazy liberal really. I can’t think of anybody left in the Tory party that’s truly Tory - Raab perhaps

it’s a bit of a sad day in uk politics when we have Starmer as the voice of the left - he’s right midfield I must admit I’d rather lose an election to Rayner and McDonnell at least it’s an agenda - not one I remotely support but it would get politics back on track. Now its Starmer with a bit of Ed Davy thrown in
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Indeed, I have had Tory friends complaining that Johnson isn’t right wing enough. Patel is surely enough of an immigrant hating bully to satisfy them though?
 
skybluetony176

skybluetony176

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Even if you put the sexual harassment aside you have to remember that this is a guy who got the whips job as part of the shake up to address the party culture within the party

 
stupot07

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skybluetony176 said:
Even if you put the sexual harassment aside you have to remember that this is a guy who got the whips job as part of the shake up to address the party culture within the party

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Why have they even got a (subsidised) bar/pub in their work place? I'd face disciplinary action if I popped to the pub for a couple of pints at lunch time and then came back tipsy in the afternoon.

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PVA

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So we'd go from a corrupt habitual liar as PM to a bloke who thinks the police don't investigate historical crimes. Great.

To be fair though he would be far better than the incumbent.
 
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skybluetony176

skybluetony176

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stupot07 said:
Why have they even got a (subsidised) bar/pub in their work place? I'd face disciplinary action if I popped to the pub for a couple of pints at lunch time and then came back tipsy in the afternoon.

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Apparently a lot of parliament business is done in the bars is the standard justification. Off course they could always be dry bars if only during the standard working day, no alcohol to be served until after 7pm for example.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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PVA said:
Fabricant is unhinged.

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Northern Tory MPs:


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duffer

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PVA said:
It's quite remarkable that these people can shout about Starmer not prosecuting Jimmy Savile and then on live television literally defend a sex offender because he's in their party. This fucking country

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So he committed 'inappropriate behaviour' but wasn't "guilty" of it. Presumably his hands just do their own thing without any conscious control. (I have this exact same problem when I'm trying to hit a ball with a cricket bat, in all fairness).

The only reason he's not on the sex offenders list is because no one has taken their complaint to the police, thus far at least. I fancy someone who wasn't a rich, Tory MP, might find themselves in a more awkward position.
 
Ian1779

Ian1779

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stupot07 said:
Why have they even got a (subsidised) bar/pub in their work place? I'd face disciplinary action if I popped to the pub for a couple of pints at lunch time and then came back tipsy in the afternoon.

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There something like 30 bars in the place.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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PVA said:
This article is a few months old but the person who wrote it has confirmed that Pincher is the man accused.

What a lovely chap.



metro.co.uk

Tory MP 'spiked four men with date rape drug and licked one victim's nipples'

Allegations are said to be swirling in Westminster that the male politician used the substance on another Tory MP who woke up to find his nipples being licked.
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Can we just skip to the part where the argument is ‘nobody cares about the attempted sexual assault’?
 
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wingy

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Pretty extraordinary if that article is accurate and I haven't misunderstood it Incidents dating back to 2002 and 2009.
 
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