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duffer

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fatso said:
I think you'll find we had a fantastic vaccine roll out, and an unprecedented response to the pandemic when compared to much of the rest of Europe, even down to the nightingale facilities that thankfully wernt called upon, the deaths were tragic, but inevitable, that's the nature of a pandemic. but hey, don't let that temper your hyperbole.

There's much he got wrong during his tenure, but the response to the pandemic wasn't one of them (imo)
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Hmm. Too little, too late on the initial lockdown cost thousands of lives. If not tens of thousands.

Vaccine roll-out, fair enough, but by any independent measure our initial handling of covid was an appalling public health failure. Thousands died whilst the Government dithered.

www.telegraph.co.uk

Coronavirus: Dithering and delay cost 21,000 lives in spring, analysis confirms

An Imperial report studying the first two waves to hit the UK found only lockdown brought R below 1 – and ‘acting early’ is critical
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The deadly delay resulted from ministers’ failure to question scientific advisers, resulting in a dangerous level of “groupthink,” lawmakers said.
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The death rates aren't much to shout about either.

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Mortality Analyses - Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center

How does mortality differ across countries? Examining the number of deaths per confirmed case and per 100,000 population. A global comparison.
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You're obviously welcome to your opinion, but I don't think it's supported by the facts.
 
duffer

duffer

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fatso said:
I'm more than happy with my vaccine decision, I looked at my personal situation and chose not to take a new vaccine with no long term testing, for a flu like virus with a survival rate in excess off 99%
Others will make their own decision according to their own circumstances.
I certainly haven't criticised him for his handling of the pandemic.
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Which basically says that you were happy with the handling of the pandemic because ultimately you didn't think it was serious.

It's not an evidence based opinion, anyone who thinks covid is the same as the flu isn't thinking straight.

Of course you're happy with your choice, but don't pretend it was based on a proper understanding of the science or the numbers, because it wasn't.

Luckily most people didn't think like you, otherwise hardly anyone would've bothered getting vaccinated. Anyway, this is old ground covered elsewhere.

I think it's clear that your opinion on the government's handling of the pandemic is similarly flawed though, I'm afraid, as evidenced above.
 
Otis

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duffer said:
Which basically says that you were happy with the handling of the pandemic because ultimately you didn't think it was serious.

It's not an evidence based opinion, anyone who thinks covid is the same as the flu isn't thinking straight.

Of course you're happy with your choice, but don't pretend it was based on a proper understanding of the science or the numbers, because it wasn't.

Luckily most people didn't think like you, otherwise hardly anyone would've bothered getting vaccinated. Anyway, this is old ground covered elsewhere.

I think it's clear that your opinion on the government's handling of the pandemic is similarly flawed though, I'm afraid, as evidenced above.
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Yup and the government line has always been about the vaccines hasn't it. No mention of the delays and Boris going against the science.

Very disingenuous
 
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Otis said:
Yup and the government line has always been about the vaccines hasn't it. No mention of the delays and Boris going against the science.

Very disingenuous
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The Government had nothing to do with the development of the vaccines and the roll out was organised by the NHS. It's outrageous that Johnson and Zahawi try to claim credit.

The real failing in the pandemic was the absence of a contingency plan, and I suspect that is what the public enquiry will find whenever it reports. To be fair the biggest blame there lies with Theresa May.
 
shmmeee

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Was just at the doctors and the nurses were talking about how much they liked Javid. Don’t get it myself but there you are.

I think him and Sunak are the only ones that might save them at the next GE. Will be interesting to see if the members can get over their racism, though maybe they won’t get a choice if those two are the final pair.
 
David O'Day

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shmmeee said:


Was just at the doctors and the nurses were talking about how much they liked Javid. Don’t get it myself but there you are.

I think him and Sunak are the only ones that might save them at the next GE. Will be interesting to see if the members can get over their racism, though maybe they won’t get a choice if those two are the final pair.
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sunak is too thin skinned and will be easy to paint as an austerity monster
 
David O'Day

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Frostie said:
Worth remembering that they all knew what he was like & were happy to back him when it suited their own ambitions.
They didn't revolt because they suddenly found out what he's like, they revolted because the public finally twigged.
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aye they are cunts
 
duffer

duffer

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rob9872 said:
A sad day. Thanks for the memories Boris.

Well done on getting Brexit done, you were fantastic through Covid and have led the world in our Ukraine efforts, not to mention keeping that antisemite out of No10.
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A sad day indeed.

Thank you, Boris, for exposing the party of law and order as the completely corrupt sham that it is.

And for highlighting the utter hypocrisy of clapping for the NHS whilst simultaneously running it into the ground.

Thank you too, for drawing the xenophobic ("I'm not a racist but letter-boxes, watermelon smiles, etc. etc.") idiots who believe anything that's painted on a bus, out of the closet.

Their unwavering support for a man without the faintest shred of decency or honesty (or competence!) helps us see them for what they truly are.

I only wish I'd sold my shares in that high-vis company sooner.
 
Philosoraptor

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Think it is customary to at least let the corpse cool for a day before you put in your Leadership bid.

Those showing an interest in the media at the moment I doubt are any serious contenders.
 
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