Do you want to discuss boring politics? (307 Viewers)

[Terry Gibson's perm]

Was it just me that straight away looked for the wonderful Nadine sadly not on the list.

But good old Kwasi.

 

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[Deleted member 5849]

But still won't be differentiated from incorrectly filled out forms and thus recorded as a protest vote.

It has to specifically be an option on the ballet for it to be recorded and thus prove a level of dissatisfaction with politics.

It would perfectly serve the purpose of enough do it. You're trying to solve a problem that isn't there as so few are incapable of putting an x in the right place, the numbers are miniscule.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

It would perfectly serve the purpose of enough do it. You're trying to solve a problem that isn't there as so few are incapable of putting an x in the right place, the numbers are miniscule.

I understand (and agree) that the number of people that genuinely can't tick a box are few and far between, but while it's just put down as incorrect ballots they can keep deluding themselves it's just stupid proles that can't do it properly.

If you look at some of the ways people try and protest it doesn't work - like the cock draw in the box counted as a vote for that person. Chances are that was the last person the person wanted to vote for.

I did say at the start it would be if compulsory voting were brought in.

 

[SkyBlueSoul]

Honestly thought this was a comedian doing a bit but the punchline never arrived, turns out he’s a serious nobody

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I think both have been an unmitigated disaster. Both liars and cheats and only in it for themselves.

I think both have set both countries back a few years.

Without Trump I honestly don't think we would have the Roe vs Wade issue right now.

And Johnson has just created so much distrust amongst politicians and the public alike

At least Trump was an original rather than a tribute act. Roe v Wade however the evangelical right has been building up to it for decades and Trump getting to pick 3 justices in one term, which must be some kind of record, was the last thing that needed to fall into place.

I think those who founded the US, wrote its constitution and then the Bill of Rights would be appalled at what their country got up to in the centuries since and where it now finds itself. Even they understood the need to separate church and state, as a minimum.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Honestly thought this was a comedian doing a bit but the punchline never arrived, turns out he’s a serious nobody

These people go on about fresh ideas when they've been in charge for 12 years. Is that to admit they've been crap for that time?

 

[fernandopartridge]

It's telling that nearly all the Tory leadership candidates are going for more culture war nonsense. It's as if they literally have nothing to offer. They're a party of distraction burglars.

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[shmmeee]

Well Zahawi has confirmed he’s not a serious contender. Wants to lop £40bn off the NHS…

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Well Zahawi has confirmed he’s not a serious contender. Wants to lop £40bn off the NHS…

At least he’s honest enough to say he wants to give tax cuts to his mates while shrinking public services. Let’s see who else is

 

[skybluetony176]

At least he’s honest enough to say he wants to give tax cuts to his mates while shrinking public services. Let’s see who else is

There’s no magic money tree.

 

[shmmeee]

Talking about charging VAT as well.

 

[shmmeee]

At least he’s honest enough to say he wants to give tax cuts to his mates while shrinking public services. Let’s see who else is

Now waiting for Javid to promise no taxes whatsoever.

 

[shmmeee]

I’m sure Grendel will be all over this what with his concern for inflation.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Now waiting for Javid to promise no taxes whatsoever.

Yeah as I said a while back, Johnson going could be very bad news if you have a job in the public sector. Currently Sunak's looking like the sane one(!)

 

[PVA]

Well Zahawi has confirmed he’s not a serious contender. Wants to lop £40bn off the NHS…

Also trying to claim you can run the country whilst admitting you can't keep track of your personal finances is probably not a good look

 

[skybluetony176]

Levelling up doesn’t seem to be on anyones agenda either. Zahawi now trying to backtrack saying he was talking about 20% of personnel not budget. Not sure how that’s going to go down in places like Middlesbrough where the biggest employer is the civil service.

All I’m hearing is a return to austerity, because that worked last time.

 

[Ian1779]

Talking about charging VAT as well.

This is a good policy.

 

[PVA]

We need a larger civil service now after Brexit. Cutting it would be a disaster.

 

[SkyBlueSoul]

Also trying to claim you can run the country whilst admitting you can't keep track of your personal finances is probably not a good look

Sunak and Zahawi if they ever shared a house

 

[shmmeee]

This is a good policy.

It is. Not least because there’s no sane way to argue against it. It’ll bring out all the Rees-Mogg types to get all flustered about why no one will think of the Etonians.

 

[clint van damme]

So far all I've heard is Tudgenhat and Zahawi waffling on about corbyn and hunt going on about fox hunting.
They have absolutely nothing, they are a complete bunch of charlatans.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

It is. Not least because there’s no sane way to argue against it. It’ll bring out all the Rees-Mogg types to get all flustered about why no one will think of the Etonians.

Will probably put a good number of private schools out of business mind you and put more children into a state sector that needs more than a lick of paint.

 

[PVA]

Lovely to see all the blue on blue action. Smearing each other in the press.

Don't they know there's a war on

 

[CCFCSteve]

This is a good policy.

It is. But the money has got to be used to improve the state education system, in particular in deprived/inner city areas. I know that’s stating the obvious but too often we have tax rises/grabs in a certain area and it goes into the black hole….just look at what’s generated from motorists and how little of it has been spent on transport infrastructure over the years

I’ve worked with a couple of small independent schools in my previous life. These weren’t the Etons of this world, fees weren’t extortionate and many parents weren’t rich (they also did bursaries) but the schools in the local area were that shit the parents cobbled the cash together in a desperate attempt to give their kids a better start in life. These weren’t parents picking a fancy private school over a more than adequate state school up the road. Any changes to status has got to have these people in mind

I know this might upset some but it’s why I’ve never had an issue with grammar schools and academies, if done right in certain locations. I’ve got mates who went to a grammar school and god knows where they would’ve ended up if they had gone to their local comp

Ps I went to a local comp but was lucky it wasn’t in a bad an area which was fortunate as there was no way my mum could’ve afforded private for my brother and I …and probably no way I would have got into a grammar school even if one was near

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

She didn't even use Truss-ted. Curiously also no footage of Lavrov taking the piss out of her at her own press conference

 

[CCFCSteve]

Levelling up doesn’t seem to be on anyones agenda either. Zahawi now trying to backtrack saying he was talking about 20% of personnel not budget. Not sure how that’s going to go down in places like Middlesbrough where the biggest employer is the civil service.

All I’m hearing is a return to austerity, because that worked last time.

Heard Houchen earlier saying he’d not heard one candidate mention levelling up.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

It is. But the money has got to be used to improve the state education system, in particular in deprived/inner city areas. I know that’s stating the obvious but too often we have tax rises/grabs in a certain area and it goes into the black hole….just look at what’s generated from motorists and how little of it has been spent on transport infrastructure over the years

I’ve worked with a couple of small independent schools in my previous life. These weren’t the Etons of this world, fees weren’t extortionate and many parents weren’t rich (they also did bursaries) but the schools in the local area were that shit the parents cobbled the cash together in a desperate attempt to give their kids a better start in life. These weren’t parents picking a fancy private school over a more than adequate state school up the road. Any changes to status has got to have these people in mind

I know this might upset some but it’s why I’ve never had an issue with grammar schools and academies, if done right in certain locations. I’ve got mates who went to a grammar school and god knows where they would’ve ended up if they had gone to their local comp

Ps I went to a local comp but was lucky it wasn’t in a bad an area which was fortunate as there was no way my mum could’ve afforded private for my brother and I …and probably no way I would have got into a grammar school even if one was near

Grammar schools drive inequality in a slightly different way-as the government's own commissioned research into the subject in the mid 2010s highlighted. Academies have also created a whole new level of wasteage with CEOs and executive management staff who didn't exist before but now have appeared on enormous salaries to contribute relatively little.

There's a difference between an Eton or a Harrow and a Henry's or a Bablake.

 

[Grendel]

Grammar schools drive inequality in a slightly different way-as the government's own commissioned research into the subject in the mid 2010s highlighted. Academies have also created a whole new level of wasteage with CEOs and executive management staff who didn't exist before but now have appeared on enormous salaries to contribute relatively little.

There's a difference between an Eton or a Harrow and a Henry's or a Bablake.

this is clearly though a scheme to be aimed at all schools in the private sector then I would assume

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

this is clearly though a scheme to be aimed at all schools in the private sector then I would assume

Looks that way. If in Coventry for example Henry's and Bablake went pop as a result of the measures then good luck finding places in the city's comps for them-they're already massively oversubscribed

 

[CCFCSteve]

Grammar schools drive inequality in a slightly different way-as the government's own commissioned research into the subject in the mid 2010s highlighted. Academies have also created a whole new level of wasteage with CEOs and executive management staff who didn't exist before but now have appeared on enormous salaries to contribute relatively little.

Thats why I mentioned they needed to be done in the right way, with a greater focus on getting bright kids from poor backgrounds out of underperforming schools in deprived areas…and at least an element of control over the chief execs !

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Thats why I mentioned they needed to be done in the right way, with a greater focus on getting bright kids from poor backgrounds out of underperforming schools in deprived areas…and at least an element of control over the chief execs !

All we would be doing there is creating a 3 tier education system. We need to move on from deciding children's futures based on an arbitrary test taken at the age of 11.

 

[CCFCSteve]

this is clearly though a scheme to be aimed at all schools in the private sector then I would assume

Thats the concern. As I mentioned the couple of small independents I came across were nothing of the like (and already struggling financially) and if they go under there will be a negative impact on a lot of poorer kids lives

 

[Grendel]

Looks that way. If in Coventry for example Henry's and Bablake went pop as a result of the measures then good luck finding places in the city's comps for them-they're already massively oversubscribed

That’s the point some study I read somewhere said it would generally mean about 400,000 extra places in comprehensive education and cost far more than it saves

 

[shmmeee]

It is. But the money has got to be used to improve the state education system, in particular in deprived/inner city areas. I know that’s stating the obvious but too often we have tax rises/grabs in a certain area and it goes into the black hole….just look at what’s generated from motorists and how little of it has been spent on transport infrastructure over the years

I’ve worked with a couple of small independent schools in my previous life. These weren’t the Etons of this world, fees weren’t extortionate and many parents weren’t rich (they also did bursaries) but the schools in the local area were that shit the parents cobbled the cash together in a desperate attempt to give their kids a better start in life. These weren’t parents picking a fancy private school over a more than adequate state school up the road. Any changes to status has got to have these people in mind

I know this might upset some but it’s why I’ve never had an issue with grammar schools and academies, if done right in certain locations. I’ve got mates who went to a grammar school and god knows where they would’ve ended up if they had gone to their local comp

Ps I went to a local comp but was lucky it wasn’t in a bad an area which was fortunate as there was no way my mum could’ve afforded private for my brother and I …and probably no way I would have got into a grammar school even if one was near

I don’t thunk you’ll find many Labour supporters who are against increased education funding.

If you’re serious about offering what private students have to all student (or anything close to it) you’re looking at doubling the state education budget though. Personally I’m all for that, I don’t think you get many better returns on investment than education, but good luck selling that to a public still stuck on a kitchen table view of national economics.

On this specific policy, I believe the point is to use the money for covid catchup (which the government have gone very quiet on and as a parent I see no evidence of).

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

That’s the point some study I read somewhere said it would generally mean about 400,000 extra places in comprehensive education and cost far more than it saves

Thinking about it locally you've got Solihull, Henry's, Bablake, Rugby, Warwick, King's High etc. Suddenly all those kids enter the state system which is already overstretched-unless the plan is for the state to take over or academise these places. And if so, good luck keeping most of those private school teachers in the system-they work in that for a reason