Do you want to discuss boring politics? (230 Viewers)

[PVA]

 

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[Sky Blue Pete]

Oh well Boris standing will go up in the county then

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

He’s saying over 60% of inflation is due to Brexit even though we are tracking at the same rate broadly as all other countries in Europe - even though our inflation levels have broadly been the same generally as EU countries - 40% is entirely due to
Energy increases so sorry this makes no sense. I think you’ve misunderstood percentage versus percentage points haven’t you?

Patronising !!!

He didn’t no and my comment aboutfood prices was not linked to his attributable figure no

 

[Grendel]

Patronising !!!

He didn’t no and my comment aboutfood prices was not linked to his attributable figure no

Well it makes no sense as what he’s saying is without brexit Tory economic policy in terms of inflationary control is the best in the western world in which case Sunak and Johnson are geniuses

Perhaps that’s what his point is?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Well it makes no sense as what he’s saying is without brexit Tory economic policy in terms of inflationary control is the best in the western world in which case Sunak and Johnson are geniuses

Perhaps that’s what his point is?

Whatever you want

 

[Ian1779]

Um…

She’s had 11 years to delete that as well…

 

[Grendel]

She’s had 11 years to delete that as well…

its hardly going to cross her mind. I guess she just saw the head of public prosecutions - a lantern jawed fellow with Hollywood looks apparently - said nothing to see here so nothing wrong in it.

What’s really ridiculous is someone digging posts made 11 years ago

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

its hardly going to cross her mind. I guess she just saw the head of public prosecutions - a lantern jawed fellow with Hollywood looks apparently - said nothing to see here so nothing wrong in it.

What’s really ridiculous is someone digging posts made 11 years ago

I mean the Starmer-Savile nonsense has been debunked countless times of course.

 

[shmmeee]

its hardly going to cross her mind. I guess she just saw the head of public prosecutions - a lantern jawed fellow with Hollywood looks apparently - said nothing to see here so nothing wrong in it.

What’s really ridiculous is someone digging posts made 11 years ago

I see you’ve swung behind her already, cheer up it’s just a bit of fun. You do wonder why people with political ambitions don’t clean their feed though.

 

[Grendel]

I mean the Starmer-Savile nonsense has been debunked countless times of course.

There are pictures of Tony Blair digging a hole with Jimmy Saville. There are delightful pictures of Gordon Brown grinning along with his wife congratulating Sir Saville and laughing with his gong.

Sir Starmer I’m sure if was Mr Brown then would have done the same. Frankly if this is being dug up on twitter Ms Truss must be more of a threat than I thought. I hardly think said tweet is a game changer do you?

 

[Grendel]

I see you’ve swung behind her already, cheer up it’s just a bit of fun. You do wonder why people with political ambitions don’t clean their feed though.

I was being somewhat facetious about swinging in behind her. She is strangely attractive though don’t you think?

 

[clint van damme]

There are pictures of Tony Blair digging a hole with Jimmy Saville. There are delightful pictures of Gordon Brown grinning along with his wife congratulating Sir Saville and laughing with his gong.

Sir Starmer I’m sure if was Mr Brown then would have done the same. Frankly if this is being dug up on twitter Ms Truss must be more of a threat than I thought. I hardly think said tweet is a game changer do you?

maybe not, but this is a step too far

 

[wingy]

Don't they know what they take off fuel taxes will soon enough be eaten into?

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Who's taken over from Mogg at the Df1800s?

His nanny.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

There are pictures of Tony Blair digging a hole with Jimmy Saville. There are delightful pictures of Gordon Brown grinning along with his wife congratulating Sir Saville and laughing with his gong.

Sir Starmer I’m sure if was Mr Brown then would have done the same. Frankly if this is being dug up on twitter Ms Truss must be more of a threat than I thought. I hardly think said tweet is a game changer do you?

Well a very poor Thatcher tribute act and the debunked line on Starmer excusing Savile are two different things

 

[Ian1779]

its hardly going to cross her mind. I guess she just saw the head of public prosecutions - a lantern jawed fellow with Hollywood looks apparently - said nothing to see here so nothing wrong in it.

What’s really ridiculous is someone digging posts made 11 years ago

You do raise a good point - that a lot of voters will be taken in by this line of yours even though it’s patently bollocks.

I’m sure you’ll be there though to put the truth out there….

 

[Ian1779]

maybe not, but this is a step too far

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I bet she didn’t even pay for it… claimed it back on expenses.

 

[Grendel]

You do raise a good point - that a lot of voters will be taken in by this line of yours even though it’s patently bollocks.

I’m sure you’ll be there though to put the truth out there….

Well also if we talk about shape shifting on policy and ideology over the years - I doubt Mr Starmer will be going there

I once voted for the Green Party

 

[skybluetony176]

Are you saying if we stayed in the eu our inflation levels would be far lower than any other EU country? Why? It suggests are economic policy within the eu has been vastly superior to every other country? Is that something you agree with?

Germany has 8.1% inflation ours is what 9.2% so you think we’d be at 4.5%? Do you seriously think that’s credible?

Well, there’s little doubt that the pound would be stronger against the dollar. And if nothing else given oil is traded in USD the price of fuel would certainly be cheaper than it is now.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Starmer: I hated being investigated by police over Beergate - BBC News

 

[oakey]

Starmer isnt very entertaining.
He needs a few wisecracks, a funny hairstyle or fatuous promises.
Perhaps he should call in Bannon for some tips.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Painful viewing

 

[Otis]

Painful viewing

It is hard to stay awake when he's talking isn't it.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

I agree in a way, you can’t knock someone for changing or altering views over time, in fact it’s what should happen if circumstances or information changes.

It’s whether she truly believes in what she is now saying that I think most people are questioning

Circumstances change. Politicians from Starmer to Truss in Labour/Tories need to accept the verdicts from 2016 and 2019, irrespective of their previous held positions.

Brexit is and was always going to cause disruption because you’re upending a 50 year status quo.

I was a Remainer and in favour of a second referendum. But the electorate delivered A) the Leave vote in 2016 and B) a stonking majority for the Tories and their Brexit deal in 2019.

Any politician worth their salt needs to move on from the Remain v Leave debate and work to take advantage of the potential/perceived benefits of Brexit.

If after 15-30 years we decide the Brexit experiment has fundamentally failed and wish to rejoin the EU, then a party can run on a manifesto to rejoin.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

It is hard to stay awake when he's talking isn't it.

Even the interviewer feels awkward telling him that people find him boring and bland. Definite milk and korma man

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

4 percent of inflation is directly down to brexit. Absolutely disgrace

Not sure how you came to that conclusion. Eurozone inflation in June was 8.1% v UK inflation of 9.4%. That’s a 1.3%

Few things to note:
- UK growth from Q4 in 2019 to Q1 in 2022 is stronger in than Germany, France and Italy
- UK exports to the EU are in a good place and have grown in 2022 to ‘record levels’ according the ONS - it’s imports that have collapsed
- the Eurozone is at a record low with the the USD (likewise with the pound)
- food prices increases as a % is lower than the EU average (Germany and Netherlands)
- French inflation is lower than the UK’s, but their government has responded to the crisis by taking measures to keep prices down (e.g. nationalising EDF) whereas the UK has put more money into welfare system e.g. energy rebates
- there are also realistic fears that the Eurozone is on the verge of another crisis
- Both the German and French economies are in a bad place and on the verge of recession

Undoubtedly, there have been challenges that can be related to Brexit e.g. staff shortages. Even labour shortages is complex, more people in their 50s are retiring early and stuff like that.

The point is, the grass may seem greener elsewhere, but it really isn’t and there’s a tendency to readily blame things on Brexit. It’s a low resolution argument and doesn’t consider wider factors.

 

[clint van damme]

Not sure how you came to that conclusion. Eurozone inflation in June was 8.1% v UK inflation of 9.4%. That’s a 1.3%

Few things to note:
- UK growth from Q4 in 2019 to Q1 in 2022 is stronger in than Germany, France and Italy
- UK exports to the EU are in a good place and have grown in 2022 to ‘record levels’ according the ONS - it’s imports that have collapsed
- the Eurozone is at a record low with the the USD (likewise with the pound)
- food prices increases as a % is lower than the EU average (Germany and Netherlands)
- French inflation is lower than the UK’s, but their government has responded to the crisis by taking measures to keep prices down (e.g. nationalising EDF) whereas the UK has put more money into welfare system e.g. energy rebates
- there are also realistic fears that the Eurozone is on the verge of another crisis
- Both the German and French economies are in a bad place and on the verge of recession

Undoubtedly, there have been challenges that can be related to Brexit e.g. staff shortages. Even labour shortages is complex, more people in their 50s are retiring early and stuff like that.

The point is, the grass may seem greener elsewhere, but it really isn’t and there’s a tendency to readily blame things on Brexit. It’s a low resolution argument and doesn’t consider wider factors.

There is no such thing as eurozone inflation.
Each country has its own rate, with Frances significantly lower than the other major nations.

And blaming Brexit for everything may be a ''low resolution argument' but so is not admitting its a factor in some of our current troubles.

I agree we need to try and make it work, unfortunately we have a lame duck government full of talentless career politicians whose answer to everything is to start spouting about tax cuts and wokeness

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

There is no such thing as eurozone inflation.
Each country has its own rate, with Frances significantly lower than the other major nations.

And blaming Brexit for everything may be a ''low resolution argument' but so is not admitting its a factor in some of our current troubles.

I agree we need to try and make it work, unfortunately we have a lame duck government full of talentless career politicians whose answer to everything is to start spouting about tax cuts and wokeness

To clarify, ‘Eurozone inflation’ is the average inflation in countries that have adopted the Euro. Inflation is between c.9 and c.11% in the Netherlands and Belgium respectively whilst Estonia’s inflation is an eye watering c.20%.

If the issues are related to poor governance, that’s a totally different thing to Brexit and people need to recognise that.

Brexit really hasn’t been the disaster economically that was predicted. There will be disruption and time period for companies to adapt to the new changes, particularly SMEs.

 

[clint van damme]

To clarify, ‘Eurozone inflation’ is the average inflation in countries that have adopted the Euro. Inflation is between c.9 and c.11% in the Netherlands and Belgium respectively whilst Estonia’s inflation is an eye watering c.20%.

If the issues are related to poor governance, that’s a totally different thing to Brexit and people need to recognise that.

Brexit really hasn’t been the disaster economically that was predicted. There will be disruption and time period for companies to adapt to the new changes, particularly SMEs.

Brexit has not delivered what we were told it would, its as simple as that.
No 40 trade deals.
Been awful for agriculture and fishing.
No 350 mil a week for the NHS.
GFA in jeopardy.

In your previous post you cherry picked some quarterly figures but if you look at the UKs performance as a whole since Brexit it's significantly behind other European nations.


Like you, I don't want another referendum so the politicians have to make this work, wont happen with this useless mob and I don't think stay in your lane Starmer has got it in him either though I think he has a rudimentary knowledge of European geography and doesn't think drones get scared off by barking dogs unlike the PM in waiting so I suppose that's something.

 

[David O'Day]

brexit is a disaster

the uk is poorer
supply chains are more expensive

 

[PVA]

What’s really ridiculous is someone digging posts made 11 years ago

Yes imagine how sad you'd have to be to do that

 

[shmmeee]

To clarify, ‘Eurozone inflation’ is the average inflation in countries that have adopted the Euro. Inflation is between c.9 and c.11% in the Netherlands and Belgium respectively whilst Estonia’s inflation is an eye watering c.20%.

If the issues are related to poor governance, that’s a totally different thing to Brexit and people need to recognise that.

Brexit really hasn’t been the disaster economically that was predicted. There will be disruption and time period for companies to adapt to the new changes, particularly SMEs.

I think the fact the all the independent observers outside this country blame Brexit and say the U.K. has a unique issue because of the labour market and trade barriers suggests it’s got something to do with Brexit. With Brexit generally I find getting news away from U.K. sources is best for a dispassionate assessment.

I think we have escaped some of the EU inflation brought about by the war, but every source including the BoE puts at least some of the blame on Brexit. I mean it’s pretty basic economics: restrict supply of goods and workers and prices go up

 

[SkyBlueCharlie9]

Dover in absolute chaos, M20 motorway blocked town at a standstill. Perfect storm of shocking government with no pressure planning and Brexit, ruining thousands of peoples holidays after 2 years of shite. Government just blame the French and covid as predicted yet this has been expected for months and months.
Also prevents Europeans coming here and harms the economy. How can the Torys allow us to be effectively become cut off from the continent again. Movement and connections drive our economy yet ferry and channel tunnel have ground to halt. We are a laughing stock.

 

[PVA]

Dover in absolute chaos, M20 motorway blocked town at a standstill. Perfect storm of shocking government with no pressure planning and Brexit, ruining thousands of peoples holidays after 2 years of shite. Government just blame the French and covid as predicted yet this has been expected for months and months.
Also prevents Europeans coming here and harms the economy. How can the Torys allow us to be effectively become cut off from the continent again. Movement and connections drive our economy yet ferry and channel tunnel have ground to halt. We are a laughing stock.

Dover was massively pro-Brexit IIRC.

'We knew what we voted for!'

 

[Deleted member 9744]

Dover in absolute chaos, M20 motorway blocked town at a standstill. Perfect storm of shocking government with no pressure planning and Brexit, ruining thousands of peoples holidays after 2 years of shite. Government just blame the French and covid as predicted yet this has been expected for months and months.
Also prevents Europeans coming here and harms the economy. How can the Torys allow us to be effectively become cut off from the continent again. Movement and connections drive our economy yet ferry and channel tunnel have ground to halt. We are a laughing stock.

None of these things should come as a surprise, but to a chaotic Government they do every time. Never mind Liz will sort it all out.