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AOM
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Larry the true mastermind behind pork markets
Brighton Sky Blue
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Mucca Mad Boys
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I think the fact the all the independent observers outside this country blame Brexit and say the U.K. has a unique issue because of the labour market and trade barriers suggests it’s got something to do with Brexit. With Brexit generally I find getting news away from U.K. sources is best for a dispassionate assessment.
I think we have escaped some of the EU inflation brought about by the war, but every source including the BoE puts at least some of the blame on Brexit. I mean it’s pretty basic economics: restrict supply of goods and workers and prices go up
The workforce has 1.2 million less people now than it did before COVID. Yes, Brexit would have had an impact, but certainly not 1.2m people.
Brexit hasn’t caused record numbers of early retirement, for example.
Are European observers truly ‘dispassionate?’ They also have a vested interest in Brexit not going well to avoid France and Italy (potentially others) going the same way.
Mucca Mad Boys
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I really haven’t cherry picked the data. We’ve outgrown the major EU economies since we left the EU and even outgrown those same economies since the referendum in 2016.
To judge Brexit less than 2 years into it is a bit silly. Of course there’s going to be some short term disruption.
Brexit’s Legacy Is Hotter UK Inflation Risk for Years Ahead
The UK will be stuck with searing inflation for years because of Brexit, according to strategists at Wall Street’s top banks.www.bloomberg.com
Trade barriers have added a 6% increase in Uk food prices
Food prices have increased by more in the Netherlands and Germany. How is that possible if they’re still in the EU and we’re not?
The UK literally haven’t implemented full import controls to avoid supply chain issues as the economy adapts.
A point to both of you… blaming any/all issues we have as a country on Brexit will have you sounding like those Eurosceptics that blamed everything on the EU.
Do you have any evidence to back this up?
Mucca Mad Boys
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Yeah, and the only half of the border check booths at Dover are manned by the French border police. Apparently we’ve shared our expected volumes with them and yet they’re operating at half capacity.
Again, not to be blamed on Brexit. A more appropriate target would be the French frontier police.
stupot07
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It is a mixture of both. The French have no provided enough resource, but Brexit means that proper checks are required on every single traveller. Dover port are complaining their are working slower than normal, they aren't, they're having to do more checks, stamp every book which will increase the time it takes to process each passenger.
I'd be surprised if the resource was significant less than a normal summer holiday pre brexit. And our current poor relationship with France post Brexit won't help either.
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Yes let's blame the French for something that wouldn't be an issue if we hadn't left the EU. And of course now we are not in the EU we have considerably reduced our ability to influence what the French do. It's a good job those who voted to leave knew what they were voting for.
Mucca Mad Boys
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The Eurozone as a whole grew a whole 0.1% more than the UK. Which includes higher growth rates in smaller economies with more scope to grow. Meanwhile, we’ve outperformed France, Germany.
Brexit Britain's economy has outpaced Germany since the EU referendum
With the 0.
www.telegraph.co.uk
This and the European stocks is literally on course to have its worst day since 2008.
clint van damme
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The Eurozone as a whole grew a whole 0.1% more than the UK. Which includes higher growth rates in smaller economies with more scope to grow. Meanwhile, we’ve outperformed France, Germany.
Brexit Britain's economy has outpaced Germany since the EU referendum
With the 0.
This and the European stocks is literally on course to have its worst day since 2008.
We have not outperformed Germany, and the German economy is currently nothing to shout about.
Brexit, two years on – so far, so bad
January 31 marks the two-year anniversary of the UK’s withdrawal from the EU. Investment Monitor examines how Brexit has hit the UK economy.
fernandopartridge
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Britain has allegedly seen its economy grow for the last 10+ years yet its people are worse off in real termsView attachment 25420
The Eurozone as a whole grew a whole 0.1% more than the UK. Which includes higher growth rates in smaller economies with more scope to grow. Meanwhile, we’ve outperformed France, Germany.
Brexit Britain's economy has outpaced Germany since the EU referendum
With the 0.
This and the European stocks is literally on course to have its worst day since 2008.
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shmmeee
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It’s not just European sources, mostly English language so American, Australian and Canadian.
And I doubt it’s fruit pickers and the like who work in the food chain who have suddenly decided to opt for early retirement.
To claim Brexit has had no impact whatsoever on the workforce, despite not so long ago it’s biggest cheerleaders celebrating that fact, is pure denialism. There’s a long way between “everything is Brexit” and “nothing is Brexit”. The consensus from literally everyone who isn’t Patrick Minford and knows about trade and economics is it’s going to damage trade. The idea was we’d get other benefits to outweigh that (“what cost freedom?” And all that)
shmmeee
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The Eurozone as a whole grew a whole 0.1% more than the UK. Which includes higher growth rates in smaller economies with more scope to grow. Meanwhile, we’ve outperformed France, Germany.
Brexit Britain's economy has outpaced Germany since the EU referendum
With the 0.
This and the European stocks is literally on course to have its worst day since 2008.
Some serious cherry picking here, the damage had already started by Q4 2019. If you zoom out a bit it’s obvious:
clint van damme
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The article he's linked is written by someone who writes for Brexitcentral. A website which can find no downside to Brexit, so you can imagine how impartial this fella is.
Sky Blue Pete
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No one is doing that. Fundamentally brexit has negatively impacted our economy and will continue to do so
Sky Blue Pete
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Someone called it on here. Beggars belief the standards people have slipped to
Brighton Sky Blue
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What a car crash on both sides
Brighton Sky Blue
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'What I want is someone who says what he means'
Voted for Johnson
Voted for Johnson
Sky Blue Pete
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Classic whataboutery from all of them. Our country is going to hell because we don’t value intelligence and considered debate and although everyone is entitled to an opinion they are not all equal and valid
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SkyBlueSoul
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Although obviously not about our government etc, this video always comes to my mind when talking about how it's not necessarily the most intelligent people making the decisions on behalf of everyone. The moment of realisation on his face at the end...
Sky Blue Pete
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Yeah sure I agree. It’s not really intelligence it’s the gove comment about we don’t need experts anymore - twat!!
Don’t need a brain surgeon get your mate down the pub
It’s such a crock of shit
Tbf if that can knock a few landlords out of the equation as well might bring a few 50+ back into the workforce.
duffer
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The Eurozone as a whole grew a whole 0.1% more than the UK. Which includes higher growth rates in smaller economies with more scope to grow. Meanwhile, we’ve outperformed France, Germany.
Brexit Britain's economy has outpaced Germany since the EU referendum
With the 0.
This and the European stocks is literally on course to have its worst day since 2008.
I'm sorry, but it simply isn't true to say that we've grown faster than Europe since Brexit. There is literally no evidence to support that statement.
There might be some positives around Brexit (though neither I nor the minister in charge of finding them seem to be able to identify any), but economically it would seem that choosing to cut ourselves out of probably the largest trading bloc on the planet has not been a resounding success.
Who could have seen that coming, eh.
The UK economy has fallen far behind the EU since Brexit
Britain’s GDP per head has grown just 3.8 per cent since the referendum, while the EU’s has grown by 8.5 per cent.
www.newstatesman.com
Brexit, two years on – so far, so bad
January 31 marks the two-year anniversary of the UK’s withdrawal from the EU. Investment Monitor examines how Brexit has hit the UK economy.
Wrong thread everyone !…oh and is Tony ok ? I’m a bit unnerved there’s a Brexit discussion going on and he’s not involved. (sorry, couldn’t resist 
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A couple of comments. Nearly all the current economic issues are global and although Brexit hasn’t helped (and would definitely have had a negative impact on GDP), it is a relatively minor part in the grand scheme of things. Also, people should keep a close eye on what’s happening in the Eurozone/EU in the coming months. There are some fundamental issues with a close economic/political union across very different economies and cultures and these get tested in tough times. I honestly think this could be as critical a period as any in recent times for the bloc
That being said, the government has no doubt fucked up some things post Brexit with an overly aggressive ‘ERG’ approach. I’d hoped that post Johnson the relationship with the EU could be repaired and many of the issues resolved, or at least significantly improved…unfortunately we now have the likelihood of Truss with the old ERG gang in tow
).A couple of comments. Nearly all the current economic issues are global and although Brexit hasn’t helped (and would definitely have had a negative impact on GDP), it is a relatively minor part in the grand scheme of things. Also, people should keep a close eye on what’s happening in the Eurozone/EU in the coming months. There are some fundamental issues with a close economic/political union across very different economies and cultures and these get tested in tough times. I honestly think this could be as critical a period as any in recent times for the bloc
That being said, the government has no doubt fucked up some things post Brexit with an overly aggressive ‘ERG’ approach. I’d hoped that post Johnson the relationship with the EU could be repaired and many of the issues resolved, or at least significantly improved…unfortunately we now have the likelihood of Truss with the old ERG gang in tow
Brighton Sky Blue
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Wrong thread everyone !…oh and is Tony ok ? I’m a bit unnerved there’s a Brexit discussion going on and he’s not involved. (sorry, couldn’t resist
A couple of comments. Nearly all the current economic issues are global and although Brexit hasn’t helped (and would definitely have had a negative impact on GDP), it is a relatively minor part in the grand scheme of things. Also, people should keep a close eye on what’s happening in the Eurozone/EU in the coming months. There are some fundamental issues with a close economic/political union across very different economies and cultures and these get tested in tough times. I honestly think this could be as critical a period as any in recent times for the bloc
That being said, the government has no doubt fucked up some things post Brexit with an overly aggressive ‘ERG’ approach. I’d hoped that post Johnson the relationship with the EU could be repaired and many of the issues resolved, or at least significantly improved…unfortunately we now have the likelihood of Truss with the old ERG gang in tow
Speak for ourselves
Appreciate we’ve got our own problems, but at least we’ve only got ours to worry about…to some extent
Brighton Sky Blue
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Well the Union remains as precarious as ever with a good number of Brexiteers surprisingly casual about potentially causing the break up of the country. More may leave the EU but it has never been and will never be a nation state.
