O'Hare bids (30 Viewers)

[KenilworthSkyBlue]

Yes fair enough. Though most of those cost nowhere near what was claimed - Clarke Harris was £125k

The season we sold mcnulty we made £5 million profits on player sales

No, I'd imagine all of those fees combined would've come to around £600K give or take.

Then you have to factor in the £1.6m extraction from SISU and what would've been used to cover operational costs.

With all transfers paid in instalments I'd imagine the fees also played a part in bridging the gap in income caused from our move to St. Andrews.

 

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[Sky Blue Pete]

Are you allowed to disclose who you were told by Pete?

No and it’s similar language but from the opposite perspective. Not sure how desperate as opposed to not sure how possible it will be not to sell. Only those who ain’t sharing that information are truly aware I would suggest. The rest is hearsay

 

[KenilworthSkyBlue]

The buyers want to buy the player, we want to sell the player. You can just flip your argument around and say we could talk to other buyers or wait until the next window. Its also not important whether that’s true, it’s important whether they think it’s true

Well you can't flip the arguement because there aren't presently other buyers that would pay what the club is asking.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

I think another 17% loan will cover the difference

Well at least one could work out the cost and benefit to selling and not selling. Unless anyone can cover our shortfall with cheaper finance I suppose we are where we are, not that anyone needs to be happy or content with it. Robins seems cool though

 

[Skybluebeliever]

Yes fair enough. Though most of those cost nowhere near what was claimed - Clarke Harris was £125k

The season we sold mcnulty we made £5 million profits on player sales

The £5 million profit was part of that from Maddison and Wilson add ons or new players sold , I’m unsure if the accounts split out the difference

 

[Grendel]

No, I'd imagine all of those fees combined would've come to around £600K give or take.

Then you have to factor in the £1.6m extraction from SISU and what would've been used to cover operational costs.

With all transfers paid in instalments I'd imagine the fees also played a part in bridging the gap in income caused from our move to St. Andrews.

I think it’s pretty clear that the club believed the hype around Hamer - offered him the contract with a high release clause and assumed there would be takers - that’s not materialised as he’s nowhere near a player a premier club would consider other than a low cost transfer opportunity

Now that’s flopped we have to look at something else

 

[Greggs]

I think another 17% loan will cover the difference

I'm no financial expert, not even close. But wouldn't paying 17% interest be preferable when your assets return of interest is roughly in the 1000%?
I'd rather pay back 17% while my original investment keeps multiplying. The 3 million we invested in Hamer, Gyokeres, O'hare and Sheaf is currently worth 30million.....and rising?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

I think it’s pretty clear that the club believed the hype around Hamer - offered him the contract with a high release clause and assumed there would be takers - that’s not materialised as he’s nowhere near a player a premier club would consider other than a low cost transfer opportunity

Now that’s flopped we have to look at something else

Do you ever stop and calculate how many times your pessimism has been proved right

 

[Grendel]

The £5 million profit was part of that from Maddison and Wilson add ons or new players sold , I’m unsure if the accounts split out the difference

It was Maddison and McNulty the accounts give a broad brush narrative on profit on sales

 

[Grendel]

I'm no financial expert, not even close. But wouldn't paying 17% interest be preferable when your assets return of interest is roughly in the 1000%?
I'd rather pay back 17% while my original investment keeps multiplying. The 3 million we invested in Hamer, Gyokeres, O'hare and Sheaf is currently worth 30million.....and rising?

Yes it’s clearly rising as evidenced by the queue down the road to buy

 

[KenilworthSkyBlue]

That’s interesting it’s not what I’ve been told but I suppose ‘not sure’ covers the difference

What have you been told then? As I find it difficult to believe anyone from the club would openly disclose confidential and sensitive financial information to the average fan.

Especially information that isn't particularly positive. They have nothing to gain in sharing that kind of information.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

What have you been told then? As I find it difficult to believe anyone from the club would openly disclose confidential and sensitive financial information to the average fan.

Well you would think they wouldn't want someone giving away inside transfer information either but here we are

 

[KenilworthSkyBlue]

Well you would think they wouldn't want someone giving away inside transfer information either but here we are

True. But I doubt SBB is an average fan and would have access to such information.

He's clearly very close to the club, rather than BD for instance who quite obviously formerly had connections to a particular player.

Any notion that similar information would be shared with a fan is pretty ridiculous.

 

[robbiekeane]

Well you can't flip the arguement because there aren't presently other buyers that would pay what the club is asking.

How on earth do you know

 

[Rusty Trombone]

Well at least one could work out the cost and benefit to selling and not selling. Unless anyone can cover our shortfall with cheaper finance I suppose we are where we are, not that anyone needs to be happy or content with it. Robins seems cool though

The owners can cover it with cheaper finance Pete, there's no reason they need to keep adding to the debt with high interest costs. They don't want to as they don't want any third party having a possible claim on the club. You've posted before that you've been told that the owners want the interest to be loaded on as it means they can secure their investment, which is an odd claim as it's no more secure whether the interest is at 3% or 50%.

You like to believe the best in people Pete, but I think you need to be a bit more sceptical about what you're hearing on occasion.

 

[KenilworthSkyBlue]

How on earth do you know

Funnily enough because if there was O'Hare would be gone by now?

 

[robbiekeane]

I think it’s pretty clear that the club believed the hype around Hamer - offered him the contract with a high release clause and assumed there would be takers - that’s not materialised as he’s nowhere near a player a premier club would consider other than a low cost transfer opportunity

Now that’s flopped we have to look at something else

All ridiculous conjecture and you have no idea

 

[robbiekeane]

Funnily enough because if there was O'Hare would be gone by now?

Why? The windows not over yet? How do you know what’s been offered and how close it is? How do you know clubs aren’t willing to pay our valuation?

 

[LastGarrison]

No and it’s similar language but from the opposite perspective. Not sure how desperate as opposed to not sure how possible it will be not to sell. Only those who ain’t sharing that information are truly aware I would suggest. The rest is hearsay

Pure and simple.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

True. But I doubt SBB is an average fan and would have access to such information.

He's clearly very close to the club, rather than BD for instance who quite obviously formerly had connections to a particular player.

Any notion that similar information would be shared with a fan is pretty ridiculous.

Fair point

 

[djr8369]

The owners can cover it with cheaper finance Pete, there's no reason they need to keep adding to the debt with high interest costs. They don't want to as they don't want any third party having a possible claim on the club. You've posted before that you've been told that the owners want the interest to be loaded on as it means they can secure their investment, which is an odd claim as it's no more secure whether the interest is at 3% or 50%.

You like to believe the best in people Pete, but I think you need to be a bit more sceptical about what you're hearing on occasion.

Presumably the finance they supply is money from their fund and as they need to offer their investors a high interest rate the interest we pay reflects that.

 

[Sbarcher]

If any of the “bigger” Championship clubs have a poor start over the first 3 or 4 games they may well start to think about a panic buy. This may inflate the price of our players.

 

[KenilworthSkyBlue]

Why? The windows not over yet? How do you know what’s been offered and how close it is? How do you know clubs aren’t willing to pay our valuation?

I don't. But as he's still here it's a pretty fair assumption that currently there aren't clubs willing to meet the club's valuation for O'Hare or any of their current key assets.

That may change later on in the window but for now the signs aren't looking brilliant.

The issue certainly Championship clubs will have later on in the window though is the majority of their budgets have likely been spent, leaving little to no room for a big fee.

 

[djr8369]

I think it’s pretty clear that the club believed the hype around Hamer - offered him the contract with a high release clause and assumed there would be takers - that’s not materialised as he’s nowhere near a player a premier club would consider other than a low cost transfer opportunity

Now that’s flopped we have to look at something else

Or more likely that’s the contract they were able to get the player and agent to agree to.

 

[junglej13]

I’m not sure the it can be kicked as far as January to be honest , think it could be more immediate than that

I'm in the minority but the O'Hare deal falling through I didn't see as a positive. Good to hear we aren't rolling over but SBB has said repeatedly we need to sell one this summer. Would much prefer O'Hare gone as opposed to Hamer or Vik. Hope Burnley come back once Cornet or McNeill are sold. The sooner the better for me so Robins can adapt the squad.

 

[Grendel]

I'm in the minority but the O'Hare deal falling through I didn't see as a positive. Good to hear we aren't rolling over but SBB has said repeatedly we need to sell one this summer. Would much prefer O'Hare gone as opposed to Hamer or Vik. Hope Burnley come back once Cornet or McNeill are sold. The sooner the better for me so Robins can adapt the squad.

Yet no one seems interested in buying hamer

 

[Bugsy]

Yet no one seems interested in buying hamer

How would u know that. Grendel its the start of a new season we haven't lost a game yet, playing well, scoring goals and all I see from u is negative nelly about finances which is out of everyone's control anyway. Lighten up for once please and look forward to what might be another good positive season....PUSB

 

[Grendel]

All ridiculous conjecture and you have no idea

Thats what wasps fans say about bond repayments

 

[Legia Sky Blue]

If we take the last fee it will inevitably be lower as we start to panic

You obviously never watched the Will Grigg signing episode on Sunderland Til I Die!!

With over 5 weeks until the transfer window closes it is impossible to tell what the situation will be at that point. There will inevitably be teams that unexpectedly underperform, who as a result will be more desperate to buy their way out of their slow start, both in the PL and in the Championship. There is also the unknown variable of how well we start and how well the 'big 3' start as individuals. If any of them start the season on fire then their value will only increase. Alternatively if they start poorly or get injured the dynamic goes the other way. As with many spats you get in, the argument is far more nuanced than the black and white absolutes you like to deal in.

 

[mark82]

I think it’s pretty clear that the club believed the hype around Hamer - offered him the contract with a high release clause and assumed there would be takers - that’s not materialised as he’s nowhere near a player a premier club would consider other than a low cost transfer opportunity

Now that’s flopped we have to look at something else

Still a month of the window left yet. A lot of deals get done towards the back end of the window, which admittedly isn't great for us finding replacements.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

The owners can cover it with cheaper finance Pete, there's no reason they need to keep adding to the debt with high interest costs. They don't want to as they don't want any third party having a possible claim on the club. You've posted before that you've been told that the owners want the interest to be loaded on as it means they can secure their investment, which is an odd claim as it's no more secure whether the interest is at 3% or 50%.

You like to believe the best in people Pete, but I think you need to be a bit more sceptical about what you're hearing on occasion.

No reason to on this occasion as they’ve been absolutely bang on although it helps it’s mostly it’s not player sales or purchases etc

 

[ccfc1234]

Not sure there is a need for all the pessimistic self hating nature of some of these comments!!!!

We might sell Moore and keep the big 3 until next summer at least. SISU are well capable of taking a strategic decision.

 

[SeaSeeEffCee]

Would guess we’ll either end up selling Hamer for less than we’d have liked or sell Gyokeres.

 

[CCFCSteve]

I think it’s pretty clear that the club believed the hype around Hamer - offered him the contract with a high release clause and assumed there would be takers - that’s not materialised as he’s nowhere near a player a premier club would consider other than a low cost transfer opportunity

Now that’s flopped we have to look at something else

By all accounts we turned down at least £5m for Hamer. If he hadn’t signed a new contract we’d have been under pressure to sell for less

The club still holds the whip hand on all three players at the moment hence the push for higher prices. We might ultimately have to accept less than these current valuations if we need the cash, however, I’m not sure we can complain at the moment….and I’m saying that as no fan of SISU

 

[KenilworthSkyBlue]

Not sure there is a need for all the pessimistic self hating nature of some of these comments!!!!

We might sell Moore and keep the big 3 until next summer at least. SISU are well capable of taking a strategic decision.

As mentioned in the relevant thread, any fee received for Moore is likely to be in the lower end of six figures.

Due to his age, Bournemouth, or any club for that matter, isn't paying a significant fee for him, especially when he'd be being brought in as a No.2.