Waggott: Is development director, Shaw and Carsley going nowhere (4 Viewers)

skyblu3sk

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THE new manager of Coventry City will have to rely on the squad Andy Thorn assembled and the backroom staff he leaves behind.
And he will also have to work closely with Steve Waggott who this week emerged as a key man – perhaps the key man – in the Sky Blues set-up.

Waggott was brought to the club by chief executive Tim Fisher, a former colleague at Charlton Athletic, to help negotiate transfers and loans and was subsequently installed as development director.

It was Waggott who rang Thorn on Sunday morning to tell him he had been sacked. And yesterday Fisher clarified his friend’s role, confirming: “Steve Waggott, as development director, heads up the overall football operation from the junior academy youngsters right through to the professionals, and is tasked with player recruitment.

“The first-team manager will work within that framework but is responsible for first team selection and coaching whilst determining and influencing the style of play of the Academy and the development squads through their respective managers.” On the face of it that seems to be the job description of a director of football or even a general manager. And Waggott will clearly have a major say in deciding whether Thorn’s successor is an in-house appointment or will be selected from the “plethora” of applicants who have contacted the club since the weekend.

Waggott told the Telegraph: “The manger is the most important person in the club; always has been, always will be, Everything revolves around him because, as the saying goes, their 90 minutes determines our 90 hours.

“We are looking for somebody with a high-grade CV who knows the league, knows where we are, knows the budget constraints and has worked in that environment before – somebody who can get us out of League One and is aware of what the needs are in the Championship.

“He has to be very keen on youth development because we want a seamless continuum of football from the age of seven to the first team.

“We’ve had discussions with Richard Shaw and Lee Carsley because historically what happens in football is that a manager comes in and brings his entire backroom staff, physios, everybody he’s worked with, everybody he thinks he can trust.

“That can’t be the case here – one
we can't afford it and two it wouldn't be right because these are two ambitious guys with their own ideas who have just wiped their feet on the welcome mat.

“Whoever comes in at the helm ­ and that's not discounting Richard or Lee ­ they'll be told `this is the club we are, this is the framework we've got, work with it' “We won't give false promises to anybody new who comes in; we'll be very transparent.
“I think there's a recognition across football in general that things are changing, that there has to be a financial constraint on how managers operate, but most of the applicants I’ve spoken to have said ‘you look as if you’ve got a strong squad who should take you up.” Most observers were surprised when Thorn – given a rousing vote of confidence after last season’s relegation – was axed after opening the League One campaign with three consecutive draws. But Waggott insisted: “I worked
very closely with Andy and I'm sure he would have thought it very unjust if we had let him go at the end of last season. He could have said `I haven't had a team, the resources were stripped away from me.' “He did have the opportunity to restructure the squad and the backroom staff. He was given the resources he felt he wanted and needed, and he had the summer and the pre-season but unfortunately it didn't work out.
“Throughout the summer, when we were restructuring the team with Andy, Richard Shaw, Lee Carsley, and Steve Ogrizovic, collective decisions were made about who were the players we wanted to bring in, who were the players out of contract who are probably on too high wages.

“The benchmark that we spoke about was that usually to get automatic promotion from League One you need 92 points ­ two a game.
“Different clubs work in different ways ­ chunks of five games, ten games ­ but Andy knew all along, from general discussions among us all, that the first three to four games were critical for the club to get off to a good start.
“He always knew the pressures ­ we all did.
“We have got without doubt if not the biggest the second or third biggest squad in the league and I would imagine that the budget, apart from Sheffield United, is the second biggest in the league.
“A load of new personnel came in which was a collective decision among the group of professional people we employ to look after the team.
“We delivered a team that he and his backroom staff asked us to put together, that all of us felt was without doubt strong enough to get off to a really solid start and be in a challenging position quite early.
“But it was the same general pattern of play we saw last season ­ not being able to close out a game, the nervousness, etc etc.
“You've got to give it time to gell and everything else, but we felt look ing at the fixtures that seven to nine points from the first three games was realistic.
“And it was the manner of losing a lead in three consecutive games.
“Yeovil's a tough place to go, Sheffield United we knew was going to be a test, but 2-0 up against Bury? Not being disrespectful, but we thought that we could put them away. “When they equalised we saw Andy turn and kick the hoarding. He knew that result and that second-half performance wasn't acceptable.“
 

Otis

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Well, it's nice in one sense that they are sticking by Shaw and Carsley, but hasn't a new manager got to do things his way? And of course there is no guarantee whatsoever that this pair will get on with the new manager. There has to be a chemistry, understanding and respect amongst a management team. You can't just throw people together and hope it will work.

If Shaw/Carsley weren't applying for the job then I would have them in on the interviews to aid the process, but as they are rival applicants that obviously can't be done.

Just can't expect the likes of Dennis Wise to come in and not have his own team.

I know these kinds of things have happened before, but I can't see it would work with the really strong-willed candidates ..... and it's a really strong-willed candidate we want isn't it? Not so sure anyway that it's anything more than a rarity to have to accept a team that contains a rival applicant.
 

ggrady

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He said we are looking for someone who knows league one and has experience. Does that rule out shaw?
 

covross

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I feel Waggot saying Shaw and Carsley are going nowhere has had a major effect on who will be Cov's next manager. Most of the names mentioned like there own staff, where as Dennis Wise's right hand man Poyet is in employment, that is why i believe our next manager will be Wise. The only other manager i can think of that would happily come in and work with Shaw and Carsley in place is Gordon Strachan, and the less said about that the better.
 

Otis

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Think quite a few of the applicants would accept those circumstances simply because they want a job.
 

BurbageSkyBlues

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This sounds akin to the west brom model- not a bad thing, IMO. It leads to long term stability, particularly if you lose a good manager in the future.

They have a fantastic infrastructure, a spine to their club, such that it does not upset the cart when they are either forced to change, or want to change, their manager. The club has a recruitment, academy and development infrastructure to admire.
 

Otis

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Not sure.

Both come from the London area too so they you would think they must know each other anyway.
 

covross

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They did play together here, Wise definitely played in Shaw's testimonial against Celtic. SISU's interview was probably like, 'we have no money, no transfer budget, you have to work with the squad Thorn has assembled'. Candidate - 'well at least i can bring in my own trusted coaching staff in to help fight the cause' SISU - yeah about that erm......
 

Otis

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Maybe they are already friends then. If so it would make sense for Wise to be the man.
 

Colonel Mustard

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I'm really impressed with what I'm hearing from Waggott and Fisher. Sounds like the football side of things is in good hands. Time to stick some money on promotion.
 

Ccfc1979

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Didn't Shaw and Wise leave on the same day when we finished 8th under Adams. Sure they did. Remember the aptly named 'lap of honour' ;)
 

wal3590

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Yeah Wise definitely played and scored in the Shaw testimonial, not sure if hes ever played with Carsley though? And Wise n shaw may hav spent some time at Milwall together?
 

Colonel Mustard

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Huh... On another thread Fisher is reported saying Thorn selected the new players. On this one, Waggott is reported saying it was a collective decision. Strange.

Reading what we have about Waggott - his new role, his background in football, his and Fisher's fastidious approach to club management - it is hard to imagine that SW didn't have at least as much say in the signings as AT. Which is not to give or take credit from either man because it's still way to early to evaluate the new signings.
 

stupot07

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Both Boothroyd and AT last season had to work with existing coaching staff.

I would imagine a fair few that applied might not fancy the job once the framework has been outlined. It's one thing expressing interest, throwing your hat in the ring to finding out the nitty gritty and deciding the club is a good fit for you.
 

kg82

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I'm really impressed with what I'm hearing from Waggott and Fisher. Sounds like the football side of things is in good hands. Time to stick some money on promotion.

I've got to agree. Waggott seems to talk a lot of sense and he seems to be working as hard as anyone on the football side of things. I said before I don't care who manages us, as long as the man who does is the right man! Easier said than done, but it's sort of what Waggott's saying here - someone has to come in and integrate straight into the backroom squad, someone who can work with them harmoniously.
 

woody11462

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Huh... On another thread Fisher is reported saying Thorn selected the new players. On this one, Waggott is reported saying it was a collective decision. Strange.

I read it as Thorn puts forward the names of who he wants and it's down to Waggott to get them. I imagine they will have discussions and SW might put forward suggestions though.
 

Grendel

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I read it as Thorn puts forward the names of who he wants and it's down to Waggott to get them. I imagine they will have discussions and SW might put forward suggestions though.

Fisher said the other night all 3 coaches put a whole list of players to Waggot and he then went to see who he could sign.
 

Nick

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I like the fact that Waggot seems to negotiate and get things done rather than just signing people and giving out contracts for the sake of it. Was he here when Bell / Baker got theirs?
 

skyblueman

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I like the fact that Waggot seems to negotiate and get things done rather than just signing people and giving out contracts for the sake of it. Was he here when Bell / Baker got theirs?

Good Point Nick - I do find it quite annoying that Fisher & Waggot seem to be making out they are quite blameless in all this - if they were as close to all this as they are making out they should have realised AGES ago that it wan't going to work out with AT so why didn't they do something about it much much earlier.

What chance has the next manager got - or rather what chance is he going to get? 5 games? 10?
 

CCFCSteve

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Good Point Nick - I do find it quite annoying that Fisher & Waggot seem to be making out they are quite blameless in all this - if they were as close to all this as they are making out they should have realised AGES ago that it wan't going to work out with AT so why didn't they do something about it much much earlier.

What chance has the next manager got - or rather what chance is he going to get? 5 games? 10?

Ridiculous comment. Reading both articles by Fisher and Waggott suggests it was what happened last season as much as what happened this. Having said that if the new manager lost his first 10 games Id be happy to call for him to be sacked !

Nick - I didnt think Waggott was around when those contracts were dished out, not sure about Fisher. To be fair Waggott appeared to at least negotiate the sales of Bigi and Keogh (Keoghs in particular looked a decent bit of business considering his remaining contract)...rather than the usual CCFC receive sh*te offer, CCFC accept shite offer.
 

dongonzalos

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I am concerned that Waggot has too much say.

If we get a strong willed manager such as Wise there could be a personality clash.
Slimey like Waggot so he will back him and we could be in for a lot of turbulance.

So if you thought we had a yes man in Thorn I can't see how that is going to change.
 

Grendel

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I am concerned that Waggot has too much say.

If we get a strong willed manager such as Wise there could be a personality clash.
Slimey like Waggot so he will back him and we could be in for a lot of turbulance.

So if you thought we had a yes man in Thorn I can't see how that is going to change.

Waggot is doing more good for this club than anyone in the last 2 years.
 

SkyBluegilby

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I for one am becoming more and more impressed with Waggott. The bloke seems to be speak a lot of sense and obviously can spot a player or two.

I like the fact that he ahas said that the managers rople will still be and always will be the most important role in the club....

Reading that though I really think it sounds like we going to go with an older head for the appointment. Im not sure how the dynamic would work with Wise, Shaw and Carso given they are all similar age with similar ambitions.
 

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