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[Brighton Sky Blue]

If you were able to force these issues then I'm sure they would have tried.

Now it's a pretty pointless debate though. What needs to be done to get us a playable surface is the issue.

Well someone needs to fork out for better pitch maintenance staff than is currently available.

 

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[Liquid Gold]

Well someone needs to fork out for better pitch maintenance staff than is currently available.

The people that own the pitch and are contracted to do it.

Unfortunately they can't afford it and I doubt would agree to us doing it and withholding rent for it so it's going to go legal.

 

[robbiethemole]

The conspiracy theorist in me thinks sisu know Wasps are trying to manage their own administration around the corner the way that they did with ours.

What they're doing by not forcing the pitch is building up a significant enough charge against Wasps so we can force the admin and get someone more favourable to manage it which will result in a ccfc owned arena.

Christ, not that smug c**t Appleton again

 

[Deleted member 9744]

So sort the pitch ourselves and take it out of the rental package. Clearly Wasps didn't do anything because they're skint and if we're already committed to giving them money it's no extra expense

Yeah because it's that simple.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

The people that own the pitch and are contracted to do it.

Unfortunately they can't afford it and I doubt would agree to us doing it and withholding rent for it so it's going to go legal.

I guess if nobody tries then nobody's failed and both parties can appear to be in the right, all the while our season becomes more disrupted each week. Both sides need to actually talk to each other and realise they both look bad and are both losing out from this.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Yeah because it's that simple.

Who said it was? Just to make the effort.

 

[Deleted member 9744]

It's not our fault but it nevertheless looks like we didn't take any tangible action

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Because it's not our stadium.

 

[Deleted member 9744]

It wouldn't be any extra money above what we're already paying them

Of course it would. We'd still have to pay the rent. Wasps wouldn't agree to us fixing a pitch which they don't care about and taking it out if the rent.

 

[stupot07]

If you were able to force these issues then I'm sure they would have tried.

Now it's a pretty pointless debate though. What needs to be done to get us a playable surface is the issue.

Exactly. Just trying to shift the blame to the club is like trying to reorder the deckchairs on the titanic. Wasps are the stadium owners, they look after the pitch, they promised to relay a new pitch. Its entirely their fault. We are where we are.

I'm not sure where the cost if £100k comes from anyway, Wembley's pitch cost £250k to relay in 2010. With inflation that would cost £312k now.

Wembley's new £250,000 Desso pitch

WEMBLEY may have gone synthetic but the natural world, as well as the players, gave the new surface its blessing yesterday.

www.google.com

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[chiefdave]

Well someone needs to fork out for better pitch maintenance staff than is currently available.

We already paid, or at least contributed, to the heat lamps. Where does it end?

If we're paying the cost of everything because Wasps have no money then that's a major contract renegotiation which I doubt would be quick as we'll want that cost offset elsewhere at the very least

 

[chiefdave]

Exactly. Just trying to shift the blame to the club is like trying to reorder the deckchairs on the titanic. Wasps are the stadium owners, they look after the pitch, they promised to relay a new pitch. Its entirely their fault. We are where we are.

I'm not sure where the cost if £100k comes from anyway, Wembley's pitch cost £250k to relay in 2010. With inflation that would cost £312k now.

Wembley's new £250,000 Desso pitch

WEMBLEY may have gone synthetic but the natural world, as well as the players, gave the new surface its blessing yesterday.

www.google.com

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Was just going to say the same, the Telegraph when reporting on the planned pitch improvements mentioned how much Swansea pay to have a pitch suitable for duel sports.

Swansea spend around £30,000 every year to ensure the turf is in top condition, although, ahead of the 2019/20 campaign, the club forked out more than £550,000 to completely renew their pitch

 

[letsallsingtogether]

This extract from the EFL statement is quite worrying:

“In addition, the report confirmed that there is no maintenance work possible that would make the pitch safe in time for Tuesday’s game”

Might be lucky to get 2 home games this side of the world cup.

 

[Deleted member 9744]

We don't have access to the stadium and we can't unilaterally withhold rent.

Exactly. Some of the 'solutions ' people are suggesting here are so naive. As if Wasps would agree to any of this.

 

[Deleted member 9744]

it is but what in reality are we going to do about it?

I don't know but has it occurred to you that it's Wasps fault not ours?

 

[David O'Day]

Exactly. Some of the 'solutions ' people are suggesting here are so naive. As if Aasps would agree to any of this.

yeah like not signing players

 

[Nick]

Exactly. Some of the 'solutions ' people are suggesting here are so naive. As if Aasps would agree to any of this.

Because that way they can blame the club.

Same as people on social media begging for points deductions

 

[Saddlebrains]

Im sick of this

This will result in a Relegation scrap

No way this doesnt have an affect on the players and staff.

The one time we have a good season, the one time that for thte first time in 20 years it looked like we weren't a fucking backwards club with actual prospects and targets, all the off field stuff not being an issue then BAM

Wasps are cunts i bang that drum everyday, but now Boddy finally admits we've known about this for 2 months after flat out denying it the other day really fucks me off.

I really think we will be playing elsewhere again, and if that happens them sorry il be asking for my hard earned £450 spent on me and the kids season ticket money back.

I'm not going through that shit again

Might sack this and twitter off for a few days now as its really getting me down.

 

[OldBedrocker]

We could have relaid there out not signed say palmer - we have to answer to tbe EFL and not wasps it’s our problem

Even if we could when would we relay? They told us in June when there were 2 concerts then the CWG no window to do it

 

[Dirk Turpin]

I look forward to the wasps statement claiming the EFL and the turf specialists have an agenda against them

 

[Deleted member 9744]

Who said it was? Just to make the effort.

I'd go and do it myself if I could but it's not my stadium.

 

[Grendel]

I don't know but has it occurred to you that it's Wasps fault not ours?

Where have I said otherwise. What would you do about it?

 

[Briles]

Im sick of this

This will result in a Relegation scrap

No way this doesnt have an affect on the players and staff.

The one time we have a good season, the one time that for thte first time in 20 years it looked like we weren't a fucking backwards club with actual prospects and targets, all the off field stuff not being an issue then BAM

Wasps are cunts i bang that drum everyday, but now Boddy finally admits we've known about this for 2 months after flat out denying it the other day really fucks me off.

I really think we will be playing elsewhere again, and if that happens them sorry il be asking for my hard earned £450 spent on me and the kids season ticket money back.

I'm not going through that shit again

Might sack this and twitter off for a few days now as its really getting me down.

I'd still trade where we are now from where we were. It's all relative. If someone offered you this situation 5 years ago you'd snap their hand off. I get it's frustrating, especially as we have bought season tickets off the back of an amazing season. But ground sharing is always and always will be, shite

 

[chiefdave]

Just popped on the Wasps forum in the hope they might finally now be acknowledging there's a problem only to find Shugs saying he hopes Wasps don't make any statement and "It’s quite obvious everything is being done to get it right". Completely delusional.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Absolute nonsense isn't it. It comes across as wasps apologist nonsense.

The idea we would just take it off the rent is bonkers. Wasps would take us to court for not paying rent.

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No it isn't, you agree with Wasps that given they can't invest in the pitch you will invest some of the rent in it, no court needs to be involved in basic commercial negotiation

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[fernandopartridge]

I just don't see how 'we can't afford to spend £100k on a pitch' turns into 'ok we'll lose out on £100k in rent and you do the pitch'

Because the loss of rent isn't immediate but could be spread across the year or even two years

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[Nick]

No it isn't, you agree with Wasps that given they can't invest in the pitch you will invest some of the rent in it, no court needs to be involved in basic commercial negotiation

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So why didn't they use the rent paid for it already?

 

[OldBedrocker]

Realistically what action could the club have taken. What they were told was that a new pitch wasn't being laid as promised. It doesn't then follow automatically that Wasps are going to do fuck all to ensure the current pitch is fit for purpose. You can still have a reasonable exception that the most basic criteria of leasing a football stadium would be met.

Exactly they said “we’re not relaying the pitch” not “we’re not relaying the pitch and doing fuck all to the current one”

 

[fernandopartridge]

So why didn't they use the rent paid for it already?

Because it's a large capital outlay

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[Nick]

Because it's a large capital outlay

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As it would be for us also?

 

[stupot07]

No it isn't, you agree with Wasps that given they can't invest in the pitch you will invest some of the rent in it, no court needs to be involved in basic commercial negotiation

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That entirely relies on wasps agreeing. They need cash flow, they aren't arsed about the pitch.

How much do you think a new pitch would cost. ChiefDaves most up to date figures for Swansea 2019/20 for a dual use pitch cost £500k. How much annual rent do we actually pay? £600k? £750k? Can wasps really afford in a monthly drop from £50k- 62.5k per month rent income to £8.3k- 21.1k per month when we take the cost of the pitch off it? They are the verge of going pop and in need of a handout.

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[Liquid Gold]

Because the loss of rent isn't immediate but could be spread across the year or even two years

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I don't think they have that amount of time tbh

 

[Deleted member 9744]

Because the loss of rent isn't immediate but could be spread across the year or even two years

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Why would they agree to that?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

We already paid, or at least contributed, to the heat lamps. Where does it end?

If we're paying the cost of everything because Wasps have no money then that's a major contract renegotiation which I doubt would be quick as we'll want that cost offset elsewhere at the very least

Which is working towards the conclusion that the people in charge of neither CCFC nor Wasps are fit for purpose

 

[Ash]

That entirely relies on wasps agreeing. They need cash flow, they aren't arsed about the pitch.

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The thing is, Wasps will need a safe playable surface as well for when their season starts, think a lot of people are overlooking this fact when they say they couldn’t give a fuck about it.

The fact there’s been an independent agronomist inspecting the pitch and deeming it unsafe will have them a lot more worried than before.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Therefore it's them breaking the agreement.

We know from the other side how difficult it is to get any remedy when somebody breaks an agreement however.