Ben sheaf (3 Viewers)

[clint van damme]

Don’t think he’s alone in that to be fair.

He's not, and all the big three have obvious difficiencies, but I can't believe people can't see it in Sheaf, it happens every game.

 

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[Brighton Sky Blue]

He's not, and all the big three have obvious difficiencies, but I can't believe people can't see it in Sheaf, it happens every game.

Some people form ideas of players in their minds and they’re hard to shake even with evidence. He is very good at regaining possession though, much better than when he started. So at least when he does lose the ball he’s sometimes able to win it back.

 

[clint van damme]

THANKYOU!!!!!!

Hamer too , but most people are comfortable pointing out hamers faults

It's weird. Got involved in so many arguments on here regarding O'Hare last season but at no point did I, or his other defenders try and argue he was a good finisher!

 

[clint van damme]

Some people form ideas of players in their minds and they’re hard to shake even with evidence. He is very good at regaining possession though, much better than when he started. So at least when he does lose the ball he’s sometimes able to win it back.

Don't get me wrong, I really like him, but he has his flaws.

 

[Evo1883]

It's weird. Got involved in so many arguments on here regarding O'Hare last season but at no point did I, or his other defenders try and argue he was a good finisher!

Sheaf makes some lovely balls , and he breaks up play so well .. he made a 50 yard pass against a team this season that was like wow .. ( and that's where people want to end the conversation )

 

[clint van damme]

Sheaf makes some lovely balls , and he breaks up play so well .. he made a 50 yard pass against a team this season that was like wow .. ( and that's where people want to end the conversation )

I'd imagine you're referring to the pass to Vik against Luton which was sensational

 

[Evo1883]

We also have to remember that a ball recovery can be as simple as the opponent passing you the ball by mistake from 20 yards ( just making sure people are aware of that )

Quite simply , the opponent gives the ball away and the first player to receive it or the loose ball will get the recovery

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Don't get me wrong, I really like him, but he has his flaws.

The problem is as much where he loses possession as it is how often. But again, I think as a team we’ve been sloppy on the ball and got ourselves into trouble. He’s obviously part of that.

Plucking this out of the air but I’d wager a big chunk of our goals conceded come from unforced errors giving possession away.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

We also have to remember that a ball recovery can be as simple as the opponent passing you the ball by mistake from 20 yards ( just making sure people are aware of that )

Quite simply , the opponent gives the ball away and the first player to receive it or the loose ball will get the recovery

I wasn’t referring to stats just what I see

 

[Evo1883]

I'd imagine you're referring to the pass to Vik against Luton which was sensational

I do like the lad , I get myself tangled in these discussions and I come off it looking like I hate him , he was hugely frustrating when he first arrived and I wasn't his biggest fan .. I can't say that anymore , I rate him .. but we have to be able to discuss his problems

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I do like the lad , I get myself tangled in these discussions and I come off it looking like I hate him , he was hugely frustrating when he first arrived and I wasn't his biggest fan .. I can't say that anymore , I rate him .. but we have to be able to discuss his problems

To be honest he strikes me as a level headed character who can take constructive criticism.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Btw , I think sheaf is a good player , one of the clubs best players.. let's not let me trying to have a balanced view on him get in the way of that

Nobody seems to have an issue when I say viks finishing let's him down at times

I do agree, and I think it causes a heavier response when people flat out won't acknowledge any criticism for certain players. It certainly drives me up the wall. No one is saying they want Sheaf to do badly, and even his biggest critics can acknowledge the good stuff he does, and at times he is great. It is just getting silly how even the smallest comment is met with flat out denial or some ridiculous excuse as to why.

You even see on the match thread, as you say, he does 3 or 4 shit things and it is ignored, then he does a decent pass and 'immense from Sheaf', '9/10 today for Sheaf'. At times this season he has stood out as one of the weaker players and that isn't reflected in that thread, or the ratings one. I even spend some games just watching him for ages to try and work out what I am missing, and I still don't really get it. We saw the same thing with COH and his finishing/final ball. He misses a near on open goal and... 'Yeah, but he feeds the giraffe's at West Midlands Safari Park'. Just more or less anything to deflect away.

Anyway, the team is doing really well at the moment, and let's hope he plays well tonight.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Not defend at all costs, but come on. One was picked up by Arsenal as a kid then moved to a Championship club. The other at Rochdale before Burton and dropping to L1 before almost being let go when the club got promoted.

Neil Wood came from a background of Man Utd, Cyrille Regis from a non league background...

 

[Grendel]

I do like the lad , I get myself tangled in these discussions and I come off it looking like I hate him , he was hugely frustrating when he first arrived and I wasn't his biggest fan .. I can't say that anymore , I rate him .. but we have to be able to discuss his problems

He is sometimes inconsistent. His pace is an issue at higher levels and sometimes his decision making is just bizarre. He’s a good player at this level though and an asset

 

[Evo1883]

He is sometimes inconsistent. His pace is an issue at higher levels and sometimes his decision making is just bizarre. He’s a good player at this level though and an asset

He's 100% an asset , he makes my starting 11 every match when he's on his game no problem

 

[Grendel]

Neil Wood came from a background of Man Utd, Cyrille Regis from a non league background...

As did Stuart Pearce

 

[Deleted member 5849]

ou even see on the match thread, as you say, he does 3 or 4 shit things and it is ignored, then he does a decent pass and 'immense from Sheaf', '9/10 today for Sheaf'. At times this season he has stood out as one of the weaker players and that isn't reflected in that thread, or the ratings one. I even spend some games just watching him for ages to try and work out what I am missing, and I still don't really get it. We saw the same thing with COH and his finishing/final ball. He misses a near on open goal and... 'Yeah, but he feeds the giraffe's at West Midlands Safari Park'. Just more or less anything to deflect away.

I notice it more, tbh, because if someone like Allen does something shit, it's met with 'that's why he's not Championship level'.

If our players did no shit things, they'd be playing at a level far above us!

 

[shmmeee]

Neil Wood came from a background of Man Utd, Cyrille Regis from a non league background...

Where were they all aged 24?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

As did Stuart Pearce

As did Max Biamou

 

[shmmeee]

I notice it more, tbh, because if someone like Allen does something shit, it's met with 'that's why he's not Championship level'.

If our players did no shit things, they'd be playing at a level far above us!

Difference with Allen is there’s nothing special to outweigh the bad. Hamer gives the ball away, then scores a screamer or pings a ball onto a pinhead across the pitch. O’Hare misses a sitter then dribbles through three men. Allen runs into another dead end or kills and attack and the best we’ve got is he ran a lot.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Where were they all aged 24?

Ian Wright didn't play in the top flight until he was 26.

McFadzean, incidentally, also has a background of non league and Burton, so therefore must deserve dropping ahead of, I dunno, Dean Leacock?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Difference with Allen is there’s nothing special to outweigh the bad. Hamer gives the ball away, then scores a screamer or pings a ball onto a pinhead across the pitch. O’Hare misses a sitter then dribbles through three men. Allen runs into another dead end or kills and attack and the best we’ve got is he ran a lot.

He scored on Tuesday then assisted on Saturday

 

[Deleted member 5849]

or pings a ball onto a pinhead across the pitch

Allen has also done that this season. I assume his instructions, for the benefit of the team, are to keep it simple however.

 

[Evo1883]

Difference with Allen is there’s nothing special to outweigh the bad. Hamer gives the ball away, then scores a screamer or pings a ball onto a pinhead across the pitch. O’Hare misses a sitter then dribbles through three men. Allen runs into another dead end or kills and attack and the best we’ve got is he ran a lot.

2 goals and an assist in his last 5 matches though .. that's better than he ran alot

 

[shmmeee]

Allen has also done that this season. I assume his instructions, for the benefit of the team, are to keep it simple however.

He did it once and it was so noteworthy everyone talked about it. Yes I’m sure Robins is in the dressing room saying “Jamie if you notice a defence splitting ball on that’s over ten yards, just leave it for the good of the team”

Maybe Sheaf is told to give the ball away for the good of the team too. Hey Vik, miss a few sitters so the other strikers don’t feel bad

 

[clint van damme]

Some people form ideas of players in their minds and they’re hard to shake even with evidence. He is very good at regaining possession though, much better than when he started. So at least when he does lose the ball he’s sometimes able to win it back.

Exhibit A your honour

Difference with Allen is there’s nothing special to outweigh the bad. Hamer gives the ball away, then scores a screamer or pings a ball onto a pinhead across the pitch. O’Hare misses a sitter then dribbles through three men. Allen runs into another dead end or kills and attack and the best we’ve got is he ran a lot.

 

[Evo1883]

So I need to get this straight

Best pass accuracy in the team is because he passes 5 yards

Played a superb ball to vik for the goal Saturday btw

Does nothing but runs around alot

 

[shmmeee]

2 goals and an assist in his last 5 matches though .. that's better than he ran alot

He is certainly in a purple patch.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

2 goals and an assist in his last 5 matches though .. that's better than he ran alot

Remember the corner challenge thing they did, oh, pre-season the one before this? He was second only to Hamer for his ability to bend the ball in towards goal, too.

The lack of technical ability is nonsense. He's not on Hamer's level technically, or even Sheaf's, but if we talk about him underhitting passes, then O'Hare does that regularly too (to such an extent that I assume the training pithes are cut to different / shorter lengths than one used for Rugby too?) and can't shoot straight either, but nobody (well... next to nobody ) says he's useless and shouldn't be in the team!

 

[Evo1883]

Fuck knows but what I do know is I'm out and the mighty sky blues have a game tonight ..

 

[shmmeee]

So I need to get this straight

Best pass accuracy in the team is because he passes 5 yards

Played a superb ball to vik for the goal Saturday btw

Does nothing but runs around alot

Spot on. And the assist for Vik wasn’t even in the top five passes the team played that game. It was a fairly basic ball across the box unchallenged. (Which yes to be fair he was because he’d run a lot to a good position).

Why do you think Robins told him he wasn’t needed at the start of last season if he’s one of the best players at the club?

 

[clint van damme]

2 goals and an assist in his last 5 matches though .. that's better than he ran alot

Yeah, the he just runs around tag is lazy nonsense.
My biggest gripe with Allen is he constantly turns his back on the opposition goal when receiving the ball in good positions.

If he could take the ball in his stride and drive forward he create so many good situations.
But what you see is what you get withhimbut he's nowhere near as bad as some make out.

 

[Evo1883]

Spot on. And the assist for Vik wasn’t even in the top five passes the team played that game. It was a fairly basic ball across the box unchallenged. (Which yes to be fair he was because he’d run a lot to a good position).

Why do you think Robins told him he wasn’t needed at the start of last season if he’s one of the best players at the club?

Never said he was one of the clubs best players tbf .. I said he's worthy of his place and his performances have been good .. he's certainly good enough to be a championship squad player no doubt

 

[clint van damme]

Spot on. And the assist for Vik wasn’t even in the top five passes the team played that game. It was a fairly basic ball across the box unchallenged. (Which yes to be fair he was because he’d run a lot to a good position).

Why do you think Robins told him he wasn’t needed at the start of last season if he’s one of the best players at the club?

The Robins wanted him gone argument disproves your point because Robins now plays him every game so are you saying Robins is now wrong?

 

[shmmeee]

Never said he was one of the clubs best players tbf .. I said he's worthy of his place and his performances have been good .. he's certainly good enough to be a championship squad player no doubt

Yeah totally. Handy backup for the first team. Nice and cheap and will do a job. But we’ve got people here who want to drop Sheaf or Palmer for him and that’s nuts.