As poor as he was against Blackpool there was no way MR was going to drop him after one bad game.
Moore had 3 absolute shockers in a row before being dropped.
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As poor as he was against Blackpool there was no way MR was going to drop him after one bad game.
Moore had 3 absolute shockers in a row before being dropped.
Sky Blue Pete
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Fergusons_Beard
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Best save percentage in the division and best defence as well!
City’s no 1!
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fernandopartridge
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Yes but he's faced barely any shots per Frostie's post above.
shmmeee
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Yep. Basically because we’ve restricted teams to long shots mostly he’s faced not many and most have been the sort you’d expect to save. As @Frostie often points out there’s a better stat that reflects the quality of shots faced, dunno if he’s got that handy for Wilson. I’d expect he looks a lot worse on that.
rob9872
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The flip side of that though is that he kills time, races out like a maniac occasionally, falls on the ball, distributes differently and organises things in a different way that mean he doesnt have to face those scenarios as often. If he's playing to his strengths and avoiding situations that's also good.
shmmeee
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“differently” is certainly one word for how he distributes
I’m not having a go, just saying how that stat hides a lot of nuance.
shmmeee
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Would you get Reece Charles-Cook back? All time clean sheets in a row record holder…
larry_david
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Those 2 against Rotherham were pretty shocking, certainly the first he was caught in no man's land.
Both against Blackpool were shite too and if i'm being really critical, that Burnley shot could have been saved.
However, he's made some saves, he's tightening up on his wild and rash actions since him and the GK coach had a heart to heart and he's doing well.
Legia Sky Blue
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No one seems to have commented on Wilson pulling out from diving at the QPR players feet (Chair I think) in the 1st half, when he ended up putting the ball in the side netting. Wilson has previous form for recklessly diving in on similar occasions in the last few years and conceding a penalty, so it was encouraging to see him making a more level headed decision. I know it could be argued that Chair might have still scored, but that was far more difficult than scoring from the penalty spot, which was the likely alternative if Wilson had dived in, so fair do's to him.
Sick Boy
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I mentioned during the game that we got away with it. He’d be fine as back up next season but we need to get a proper number one in.
Legia Sky Blue
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The game I remember him flying in recklessly last season was against Huddersfield. If he had dived in likewise on Saturday think Chair would have bought a penalty out of it, the same as O'Brien did in that Huddersfield game.
rob9872
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Of course not, but that's an awful comparison and we were also L2 then
Sick Boy
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We were in League One.
rob9872
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Just watched all 3 highlights back.
I'll concede the 2nd v Blackpool he should have come out and colllected and arguably position on the first Rotherham goal (although lots if team mistakes before him and 1 on 1 is still a tough ask). The other 3 not him imo. Tella's was a really good finish, the 2nd Rotherham he actually saved the first shot clean through and the other he came to cover RB and couldn't retreat quick enough. I don't think we'd be blaming any other keeper for those.
shmmeee
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Just making the point that clean sheets alone don’t tell you much about the quality of a keeper.
Londonccfcfan
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Id go as far and say, its our weakest link.
We all know that.
Wilsons done a job tbf. Nothing more.
If we can improve in January then we must do.
WestEndAgro
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I'll take a shit keeper who gets clean sheets all day long.
steve cooper
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Have we totally written Moore off then?
Frostie
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Yeah, exactly right.
Save % is basically worthless as a stat as it totally disregards both the quality and quantity of shots faced. You could have 1 keeper save 1 simple shot & have a 100% save percentage while another saves multiple really difficult shots that you'd never expect them to save but concedes say 1 in 10 of them. Who is the better shot stopper?
The stats used to show Wilson with the best Save % have him at 77.1% & Rotherham's Viktor Johansson at 77.0% (others actually have Johansson ahead). Johansson has made 50 saves more than Wilson (87 vs 37) though so not exactly a fair comparison.
Post shot expected goals (PSxG) is the best judge of the quality of shots. Think of it as a reverse xG, basically assesses how likely a Shot on Target was to be scored & therefore how likely a goalkeeper should be to save it.
Wilson has conceded 11 goals from a PSxG of 11.2 so very, very marginal over performance.
By comparison John Ruddy has conceded 20 goals from a PSxG of 26.9 i.e. he has theoretically prevented 7 goals more than you'd expect the average keeper to.
Wilson's PSxG is by far & away the lowest in the league, i.e. he faces far fewer high quality shots than any other goalkeeper therefore it stands to reason that he should concede far fewer goals & save a high % of shots.
shmmeee
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If adult discussion about the strengths and weaknesses of our players upsets you, maybe internet football forums aren’t for you.
We all support Wilson, we all wish him the best, we’re just saying the stats don’t support the idea he’s the best keeper in the league, at all.
PUSB-We_are_going_up
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Surely my JP profile picture is enough to persuade you
DannyThomas_1981
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Agreed Nick, and thought that save against Wigan was actually more impressive.
rob9872
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Touche! My opinion is that I don't always look for the negative. Maybe forums aren't for you?
covcity4life
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But he's clearly nowhere near as bad as likes of @Sick Boy made out is he?
Sick Boy
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I know you rate him highly but I can’t see there being a queue of Championship clubs trying to sign him as we go into the new year and his deal runs out.
He’s fine as back up but he’s not good enough to be our number one.
covcity4life
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Why do you keep saying this? You are getting too defensive and trying to avoid saying you got it wrong.
I do not rate him especially highly. I am saying he is nowhere near as bad as you made out he was.
Do you still think he's utter shite? Yes or no?
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Weren't you saying this sort of stuff about Hyam though?