Do you want to discuss boring politics? (237 Viewers)
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fernandopartridge
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I know what you're saying but you're talking about a party in government with known links to private health insurance. If it isn't nailed down or even if it is they will try to sell it.
shmmeee
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Sure. But pick your battles. Should be a case for a better company rather than just outright no data.
fernandopartridge
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You pick yours, she's a relatively irrelevant MP
shmmeee
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It was just an example of something I was talking about earlier. I work in data so data use is kinda my hobby horse.
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With there being City politics, I missed the 'real' stuff! Cut in threshold for top rate of income tax is surprising for a Tory 
at a glance I can't see anything about cuts to budgets, so can someone fill me in if there are any actual cuts, or holding as-is rather than rising with inflation?
at a glance I can't see anything about cuts to budgets, so can someone fill me in if there are any actual cuts, or holding as-is rather than rising with inflation?
shmmeee
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With there being City politics, I missed the 'real' stuff! Cut in threshold for top rate of income tax is surprising for a Tory
Council tax is up, so they can blame councils.
Cuts seem to be kicked until after next election.
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Well at least that's my job sort of secure, I suppose.
David O'Day
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grim 55bn in tax and spending cut hitsWith there being City politics, I missed the 'real' stuff! Cut in threshold for top rate of income tax is surprising for a Tory
living standards back to 201 levels
shmmeee
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In all seriousness, I'd always take tax rises for more public spending. In some kind of perverse way I guess we've got that now in that it stops extreme cuts, but I'd rather we went a bit further and spent our way out of recession, but actually funded that spending.As long as you don’t live in a house you’ll be fine
shmmeee
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Same. Though the 5% a year doesn’t touch the sides compared to local govt cuts.
As far as I’m concerned anyone who refuses to tax wealth seriously doesn’t give a damn about fiscal stability.
Brighton Sky Blue
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We’ll eat like Romans
fernandopartridge
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Real wages still behind where they were in 2008 and to fall further. Tories and their voters are an economic catastrophe for the majority.
shmmeee
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Taken a global powerhouse with a seat at every important table and turned us into an irrelevant backwater laughing stock.
fernandopartridge
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fernandopartridge
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Who was in government for the majority of these falls in real household disposable income?
Be interesting to overlay each parliament on it - look at the 'dark days' of the 70s there TORY CUNTS
Be interesting to overlay each parliament on it - look at the 'dark days' of the 70s there TORY CUNTS
Ian1779
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AD 201 sounds about right.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Hypocaust bills went through the roof that year.
David O'Day
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2013 but yeah it's gonna get roman
clint van damme
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Going to hit a lot of vulnerable people. Still nothing on non dom which could have raised aa few bob and sneaking under the radar is they upturn they're predicting next year is funded by a 12p per litre rise in fuel duty
fernandopartridge
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Imagine having an economy that is mostly reliant on consumer spending and having a government and BOE that actively works to reduce it. Keep price inflation down yet taxes are up and job losses are many.
clint van damme
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David O'Day
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Hunt today was telling Labour you "can't borrow your way to growth".
Surely the CX should understand the basics of capitalism.
Surely the CX should understand the basics of capitalism.
JAM See
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They've basically kicked the can down the road for a couple of years, knowing they won't be in power then.With there being City politics, I missed the 'real' stuff! Cut in threshold for top rate of income tax is surprising for a Tory
Nuskyblue
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Based on nothing other than reading this thread (my goto politics digestive) any top rate tax band fuckery is gotten around by the top earners?With there being City politics, I missed the 'real' stuff! Cut in threshold for top rate of income tax is surprising for a Tory
What I heard on the radio sounded like austerity2?
fernandopartridge
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The UK government does not really borrow money, it creates gilts to sell investments to the market. There is no reliance on selling bonds to fund spending it's just a choice.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Got the distinct impression that they're effectively assuming they'll lose the next election so make it so all the shit stuff happens after that and they can say "Labour's fault".
Of course Labour can change the plan, but in reality no matter what anyone does it's going to be pretty bad. So if Labour do change it then Tories say "it was bad because they changed the plan and ours was better." If Labour don't they say they were right all along and Labour just copied their plans.
All while handily not mentioning the reason we have to go through this shit is because of a Tory party that has mismanaged the economy for over a decade and let an absolute lunatic take charge for a month that was long enough to put us massively in the shit.
JAM See
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Increase taxes on wealth, to increase investment, which will lead to growth.
It's really not difficult.
Anything else is ideology.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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I'm very much in the increasing public spending and investment, especially on infrastructure, during tough times and recession, as a means of creating stimulus as people have jobs and can use that to create demand elsewhere and thus more jobs. Plus there's fewer people on benefits etc so you can save spending there.
But even so that will still have some lag time to have an effect and there will be some pain in the interim.
I've never got austerity in the public sector as you're killing the one thing that could help you out of the mess - demand. And usually pushed by people that themselves rely heavily on debt to further their improve their own wealth.
It's quite mind boggling.
shmmeee
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duffer
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Uh oh. Just as we were getting along so well.
I work in data too, and GDPR is a real pain in the arse but I'm 100% in favour of it. The key is the ability the opt-out of your personal data being processed, which in some cases is very much the smart thing to do.
There's nothing more personal I can think of than your medical data, and sending it to the States (which is somewhat lax on data controls) is a really poor idea. Sending it to Palantir, given their links to the Police and security services (and the Republicans and Trump for good measure), even less so.
If the data was genuinely anonymised that would be one thing, but by the look of it this is pseudo-anonymisation, which isn't that hard to unravel if you've got the time and a few different sources available. It's right to kick up about it, imho.
UK hospital patient data set to enter Palantir system
'You'll be hearing from us,' say privacy campaigners who previously forced the government to back down
Brighton Sky Blue
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Was in a union meeting tonight where some higher level individuals were very upset that I didn’t want the national conference to call for union action on climate change. Even more upset that we were discussing the proposals in less time than article whatever of the union rule book says-by a whole 2 days.
No wonder the real left in this country achieves sod all
No wonder the real left in this country achieves sod all