Officials (3 Viewers)

[Sky Blue Pete]

Trouble is Pete at the stage of new Referees being selected for and then enrolling on the course, many are told of mentors etc being available during those oh so nervous first few games. It never happens and the main reason is the Referees that are willing to make themselves available as a “mentor” are on fixtures aswell. We all know there is a shortage but this is also the vicious circle. I am actually on the mentorship/observer course which helps the next generation of referees so if your lad ever needs any help etc just let me know.
Hats off to him for putting himself forward-as we know the best referees are all in the stand…..

I’m thinking there must be other ways. For instance all clubs and parents doing a course or watching a video on respect or at minor league level adding a responsibility to the coaches to control parents. There are a number of creative solutions I think and thank you I’ll bear that in mind when and if he needs some proper advice rather than my nonsense

 

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[hill83]

The problem is what we are brought up to think as football fans.

I was taught that the referee is a wanker when I was 5, stood on my seat in the west terrace.
When you play the ref is always wrong even when you know they are right. Until that changes, and I highly doubt it will. We will eventually end up with no refs at amateur level.

See below.

FFS!! not this poisoned dwarf again, can't stand the fucker.

 

[SkyblueDad]

In the past youth team players were taught the rules of the game don’t know if they do now, but knowing the rules and applying them on field of play are two different things.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

That’s my mind made up I’m gonna get involved in the two local leagues and attempt to change some of the rules around parent expectations and roles and responsibilities of clubs coaches and parents

Also I was wrong earlier the guys at Coventry referees association have been welcoming supportive and encouraging and concerned for him, they are a credit to themselves in all this

 

[WestEndAgro]

There are large numbers of people who are interested and want to become referees though the Birmingham FA can't run enough course's to cater for everyone.
As soon as one's released (in Coventry) its booked within minute's. Number's are around 25, the majority is online learning then around 12 hours classroom, followed by 6 games with a mentor.
Doing mine in January £130.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

There are large numbers of people who are interested and want to become referees though the Birmingham FA can't run enough course's to cater for everyone.
As soon as one's released (in Coventry) its booked within minute's. Number's are around 25, the majority is online learning then around 12 hours classroom, followed by 6 games with a mentor.
Doing mine in January £130.

Don’t expect the games with a mentor. There’s also follow up sessions
It’s a great thing to get involved in and join the ref association they are truly supportive and generous in sharing their experience

 

[robbiethemole]

The problem is what we are brought up to think as football fans.

I was taught that the referee is a wanker when I was 5, stood on my seat in the west terrace.
When you play the ref is always wrong even when you know they are right. Until that changes, and I highly doubt it will. We will eventually end up with no refs at amateur level.

See below.

Let’s hope he shows me I’m wrong tonight hill, but I don’t think he will

 

[Adge]

That’s my mind made up I’m gonna get involved in the two local leagues and attempt to change some of the rules around parent expectations and roles and responsibilities of clubs coaches and parents

Also I was wrong earlier the guys at Coventry referees association have been welcoming supportive and encouraging and concerned for him, they are a credit to themselves in all this

The RA is a bit of a double edged sword-as a Referee I should be proactive in promoting it but also see it for what is-a business. Can be helpful though as a member and it can be beneficial when starting out to discuss with others about games/incidents etc.
I have also known of colleagues who when they needed the RA most (which is why members pay an annual fee to join) the help just wasn’t there.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

The RA is a bit of a double edged sword-as a Referee I should be proactive in promoting it but also see it for what is-a business. Can be helpful though as a member and it can be beneficial when starting out to discuss with others about games/incidents etc.
I have also known of colleagues who when they needed the RA most (which is why members pay an annual fee to join) the help just wasn’t there.

Oh no that’s a shame

 

[Adge]

Oh no that’s a shame

I’m hoping that your son may have a different experience with them. To be fair the Cov lot seem to be a bit more organized than the old boys club that I would attend at Stratford and Leamington. Is Will Doyle still involved?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

I’m hoping that your son may have a different experience with them. To be fair the Cov lot seem to be a bit more organized than the old boys club that I would attend at Stratford and Leamington. Is Will Doyle still involved?

Yep but younger people involved bringing it into the present day

 

[hill83]

Let’s hope he shows me I’m wrong tonight hill, but I don’t think he will

 

[kg82]

Thought Stroud got pretty much everything spot on tonight. Heard the crowd moan a couple of times at him, but the decisions he gave at those times were correct. Only thing I can think was a bit dodgy was Palmer’s throw-in, but I couldn’t tell if it came off the baggies man last or not.

 

[shmmeee]

The problem is what we are brought up to think as football fans.

I was taught that the referee is a wanker when I was 5, stood on my seat in the west terrace.
When you play the ref is always wrong even when you know they are right. Until that changes, and I highly doubt it will. We will eventually end up with no refs at amateur level.

See below.

Must be hard but they need to see it as pantomime, like the bad guys in wrestling. Get a few refs like this:

 

[robbiethemole]

Yep ok hill, he got the important decision correct. Have a Happy Christmas lads and lasses

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

The problem is what we are brought up to think as football fans.

I was taught that the referee is a wanker when I was 5, stood on my seat in the west terrace.
When you play the ref is always wrong even when you know they are right. Until that changes, and I highly doubt it will. We will eventually end up with no refs at amateur level.

See below.

Equally anyone can see if it’s a young lad in the middle and maybe just think before giving the abuse.

 

[Londonccfcfan]

Corr blimey 2 good refs in a row.

 

[hopesprings]

That’s a really good point about academy trainees doing reffing as part of their football education.
I have to say that football as a whole has a real problem if my 15 year olds experience is replicated up and down the country.
Coaches are 50/50 about supporting young refs, parents are about 30/70 in their awareness of the need to support and encourage young referees.
Safeguarding is an utter joke
@Adge really interested in how to make a meaningful difference in this as I’m shocked at the lack of awareness from people in and around the local under age games
50% of young refs give up within 12 months.
The fa has not even phoned or emailed to check how he’s doing
Coaches are as quick to challenge every decision as parents and it’s against the grain for a coach to go out their way to make things easier for him
The ref secretaries are good especially in the Saturday morning league which is just below academy level.
If you don’t look after those youngsters and encourage them you don’t get the numbers progressing right to the top level.
I think adults just treat refs like shit and it’s just not ok.
In 8 games one parent has said thanks - just wow

I have been on for years about getting acadamy kids to have to do ref courses. I would actually make it a necessity to be able to sign pro fessional forms. I would start the 15-16 year olds reffing younger kids. hopefully the consequence of that would be the younger kids(and their parents) would respect the ref as actually they themselves would be looking at them hoping that they woud be at the acadamy in their place in a few years. It is a big step but evolution would then lead to more and more palyers actually knowing the laws of the game, realising that reffing isnt that easy, giving more respect would then be automatic making reffing a little easier and in those circumstances more would want to actually do it possibly professionally. Should and could be a win win.... I will kep hoping that one day the powers that be would at least discuss and try

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

I have been on for years about getting acadamy kids to have to do ref courses. I would actually make it a necessity to be able to sign pro fessional forms. I would start the 15-16 year olds reffing younger kids. hopefully the consequence of that would be the younger kids(and their parents) would respect the ref as actually they themselves would be looking at them hoping that they woud be at the acadamy in their place in a few years. It is a big step but evolution would then lead to more and more palyers actually knowing the laws of the game, realising that reffing isnt that easy, giving more respect would then be automatic making reffing a little easier and in those circumstances more would want to actually do it possibly professionally. Should and could be a win win.... I will kep hoping that one day the powers that be would at least discuss and try

They’re mostly dinosaurs but that’s such a great shout

 

[thekidfromstrettoncamp]

Corr blimey 2 good refs in a row.

Gave your quote a like.Never thought i'd be saying that about Keith Stroud he must have had some extra training

 

[Speedie's Head]

That's two pens out of Stroud this season.

 

[wingy]

Would have been a great game for Sky.

 

[pusbccfc]

That's two pens out of Stroud this season.

Both deserved

 

[Speedie's Head]

Both deserved

Means nothing in our league. I've warmed to him

 

[Adge]

Interestingly……

 

[chiefdave]

Interestingly……

Wants PGMO officials on live TV to explain decision-making

Think I've probably made this point before but in the NHL (ice hockey) where they have video replay the reason for a decision being made is pretty swiftly relayed to the media and then broadcast to the public

99& of the time its pretty obvious why a decision has been made, they work on the basis of needing conclusive video evidence to overrule a decision on the ice, but very occasionally you'll get an extended stoppage followed by a decision that doesn't seem to match what you're seeing on TV replays (and in the arena on the big screen). When that happens within minutes there's an explanation and the accompanying footage, normally from a camera angle not available to TV and it all makes sense. The end result is there's very little complaint about how the system works

What we don't need is something like we see now on BT Sport where they bring a ref in who will never disagree with the match officials

The other thing that is desperately needed IMO is an acknowledgement of the limitations of VAR for offside decisions. I can't believe that there is still a refusal to take into account the appropriate margin of error. The technology simply isn't able to provide they level of accuracy being applied. When you do the maths on players speed, ball movement and frame rate the margin of error is considerable

 

[Adge]

I think what people (regular fans) still can’t except regarding VAR is unfortunately it is black and white when deciding decisions such as offside. By this I mean before VAR was introduced, people wanted DEFINITE clarity if the ball was over the line (when GLT was introduced) or if a penalty decision had been missed or if an assistant referee had given an incorrect marginal (to the human eye) decision regarding offside.
Now that we have that, people still won’t accept if a players “toe nail” is offside! Offside is offside if that’s a toe nail/upper body etc-there is no grey area which is what Jo Public wanted (definitive). Can’t have it both ways I’m afraid-now it’s here to stay they want rid of it again!

 

[chiefdave]

I think what people (regular fans) still can’t except regarding VAR is unfortunately it is black and white when deciding decisions such as offside. By this I mean before VAR was introduced, people wanted DEFINITE clarity if the ball was over the line (when GLT was introduced) or if a penalty decision had been missed or if an assistant referee had given an incorrect marginal (to the human eye) decision regarding offside.
Now that we have that, people still won’t accept if a players “toe nail” is offside! Offside is offside if that’s a toe nail/upper body etc-there is no grey area which is what Jo Public wanted (definitive). Can’t have it both ways I’m afraid-now it’s here to stay they want rid of it again!

People wanted VAR to stop the huge errors, what we've ended up with is people being judged a mm offside and 5 minutes being spent looking at super slo mo for the slightest bit of contact in the box. We don't need to get rid of VAR, we need to use the technology properly which for some reason other sports manage but not football.

The technology simply isn't accurate enough to say 'offside is offside if that’s a toe nail / upper body etc-there is no grey area'. It would be great if it was true but unfortunately the maths doesn't back it up.



Cricket, for example, acknowledges this with Hawkeye and 'umpires call', which allows for the margin of error inherent in the technology, football needs to do the same

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

People wanted VAR to stop the huge errors, what we've ended up with is people being judged a mm offside and 5 minutes being spent looking at super slo mo for the slightest bit of contact in the box. We don't need to get rid of VAR, we need to use the technology properly which for some reason other sports manage but not football.

The technology simply isn't accurate enough to say 'offside is offside if that’s a toe nail / upper body etc-there is no grey area'. It would be great if it was true but unfortunately the maths doesn't back it up.

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Cricket, for example, acknowledges this with Hawkeye and 'umpires call', which allows for the margin of error inherent in the technology, football needs to do the same

Assistant referee call would be interesting but it would stop the whinging

 

[Deleted member 9744]

People wanted VAR to stop the huge errors, what we've ended up with is people being judged a mm offside and 5 minutes being spent looking at super slo mo for the slightest bit of contact in the box. We don't need to get rid of VAR, we need to use the technology properly which for some reason other sports manage but not football.

The technology simply isn't accurate enough to say 'offside is offside if that’s a toe nail / upper body etc-there is no grey area'. It would be great if it was true but unfortunately the maths doesn't back it up.

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Cricket, for example, acknowledges this with Hawkeye and 'umpires call', which allows for the margin of error inherent in the technology, football needs to do the same

The technology could be accurate enough if they change the offside rule to count any part of the body. In the diagram in your post then the player would clearly be offside.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Not every part can play the ball

 

[SBAndy]

The technology could be accurate enough if they change the offside rule to count any part of the body. In the diagram in your post then the player would clearly be offside.

That just changes the reference point.

 

[Johhny Blue]

Not every part can play the ball

Ok everything but internal organs

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Ok everything but internal organs

No hands and arms up to the arm pit

 

[shmmeee]

Fuck this body part bollocks. Go back to clear space. I’m sorry but if you’re on the other side of the pitch a couple of CM doesn’t make any difference. And if you’re right next to them it shouldn’t either.

(and before anyone else does the joke, yea Tyler Walker has proved you can play the ball with your bollocks)