Sarah Everard (2 Viewers)

[Sky Blue Pete]

Don’t believe in the death penalty, although that’s mainly because I don’t see it as a punishment. It’s an easy way out. I believe that most criminals deserve a chance at redemption and turning their lives round after serving their time.

However, some crimes (pre-mediated murder/serial murder, noncing, rape) require a level of deviancy that I don’t believe can safely be (or should be) rehabilitated. Whole ilife sentence in the most very basic conditions. Yes it costs but I’d pay more tax in return for noncing to be a full life term at the first offence. The mind boggles that someome with a sexual interest in children can escape jail or be given a short sentence. Even if it’s viewing sick websites it’s a precursor to worse… just lock them up forever.

As for the old bill. I’ve had good and bad experiences. Got a right kicking in the street when I was pinched for fighting in my early twenties (deserved it to be fair) but a really decent detective looked after me and a few mates when the CPS brought charges following a serious assault. He was genuinely upset when the gang got suspended sentences. My Nan’s sister‘s husband is a retired copper and is a right racist twat.

What do you mean by noncing?
You would be potentially locking up 300000 for life it’s just not conceivable and requires a different answer

 

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[skybluetony176]

It’s all gone a bit Self Righteous Brothers on here.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

ive visited 2 Cat C prisons and 1 Cat d - it’s funny how you act like a smartarse but seemingly have zero experience at all

Mind me asking whether you were visiting a friend?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

It’s all gone a bit Self Righteous Brothers on here.

I’ve hungered for your touch

 

[skybluetony176]

I’ve hungered for your touch

If you hungered for my touch I’d say Oi! No! And give you a slap.

 

[PVA]

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Tremendous gif usage!

 

[Sick Boy]

A rape for a rape?

Depends on the crime doesn’t it? Previous offending history, behaviour in jail, etc. We can predict reoffending pretty well.

What about someone who financially ruins someone with fraud?

I am against the death penalty but think sentences (and the crime in general) for rape should be on par with murder and the conviction rate is beyond pathetic.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Yeah I'm good with that

I'm sure you think that this makes you look like you're a righteous person wanting fair justice and punishment for some horrific crimes. But actually it comes across that you just have a sadistic bloodlust that you're looking for an acceptable reason to be able to indulge.

It is possible to think the perpetrators of these crimes are terrible human beings that deserve severe punishment and that the public deserves to be protected from without thinking that said people need to killed in equally horrific ways to even it out.

If the death penalty worked places that have it wouldn't have any crime that required it and the punishment would be redundant. But that doesn't happen does it? And at the same time we never, ever get miscarriages of justice where the wrong person is convicted, in some cases even giving false confessions. So if a wrong person is convicted and then executed, doesn't that then become murder?

 

[rob9872]

I'm sure you think that this makes you look like you're a righteous person wanting fair justice and punishment for some horrific crimes. But actually it comes across that you just have a sadistic bloodlust that you're looking for an acceptable reason to be able to indulge.

It is possible to think the perpetrators of these crimes are terrible human beings that deserve severe punishment and that the public deserves to be protected from without thinking that said people need to killed in equally horrific ways to even it out.

If the death penalty worked places that have it wouldn't have any crime that required it and the punishment would be redundant. But that doesn't happen does it? And at the same time we never, ever get miscarriages of justice where the wrong person is convicted, in some cases even giving false confessions. So if a wrong person is convicted and then executed, doesn't that then become murder?

Nope. It was the forums Christian soundboard who suggested it, wouldn't have even crossed my mind so I flippantly posted a very short response. Not sure it warranted your long drawn out response, but thanks

 

[rob9872]

I am against the death penalty but think sentences (and the crime in general) for rape should be on par with murder and the conviction rate is beyond pathetic.

I agree with you, but it can't be unfortunately, otherwise the suggestion is that rapists will kill more often to try to cover up the chance of being caught.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Nope. It was the forums Christian soundboard who suggested it, wouldn't have even crossed my mind so I flippantly posted a very short response. Not sure it warranted your long drawn out response, but thanks

Not sure how to take that

 

[Skybluefaz]

the suggestion is that rapists will kill more often

Got a link to the study that backs up that claim?

 

[Skybluefaz]

The solution to male violence can't be more violence. State sanctioned or otherwise.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Nope. It was the forums Christian soundboard who suggested it, wouldn't have even crossed my mind so I flippantly posted a very short response. Not sure it warranted your long drawn out response, but thanks

They suggested it flippantly in a "it's so horrific no-one could possibly think that's ok"

You just nonchalantly went "yep, sounds perfectly acceptable to me". So even though you didn't think of it, when it was mentioned it didn't seem to cross you as something that was massively beyond the pale.

The correct response was "of course not, that absolutely barbaric."

 

[rob9872]

They suggested it flippantly in a "it's so horrific no-one could possibly think that's ok"

You just nonchalantly went "yep, sounds perfectly acceptable to me". So even though you didn't think of it, when it was mentioned it didn't seem to cross you as something that was massively beyond the pale.

The correct responsible was "of course not, that absolutely barbaric."

Thanks. Just because I disagree with you doesn't mean you know what I'm thinking either, but interpret it to suit your opinion of me. However nothing to those who actually consider suggesting it. Strange how this place works that you have to stand behind the people you favour whatever the subject matter.

 

[shmmeee]

I am against the death penalty but think sentences (and the crime in general) for rape should be on par with murder and the conviction rate is beyond pathetic.

I agree on both counts. Rape causes as much lifelong damage as child abuse and murder. Very hard crime to prosecute sadly as evidence is often hard to come by. Not sure what can be done to improve it other than general safety measures for women and encouraging people to come forward. The girl I know was “lucky” that the guy who raped her walked her to a cash point with video to rob her first, without that he’d probably never have been convicted.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

I agree on both counts. Rape causes as much lifelong damage as child abuse and murder. Very hard crime to prosecute sadly as evidence is often hard to come by. Not sure what can be done to improve it other than general safety measures for women and encouraging people to come forward. The girl I know was “lucky” that the guy who raped her walked her to a cash point with video to rob her first, without that he’d probably never have been convicted.

We can also bring up our sons to treat women with respect and jump on influencers like Andrew Tate from a great height to ensure that they understand that with strength comes responsibility. We need to find some way dont we

 

[skybluetony176]

We can also bring up our sons to treat women with respect and jump on influencers like Andrew Tate from a great height to ensure that they understand that with strength comes responsibility. We need to find some way dont we

Exactly this. On one non uniform day my daughters were handed a dress code so the boys don’t lose control of themselves. Happy to say that in my eldest daughter’s year they organised a boycott of the dress code and deliberately wore what they weren’t supposed to wear. Also proud to say my daughter was one of the ringleaders. When the school got wind they threatened to exclude anyone who broke it and send them home, fortunately there was enough of them that they knocked that idea on the head. I don’t think they’ve issued a dress code for girls on non uniform day since.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Exactly this. On one non uniform day my daughters were handed a dress code so the boys don’t lose control of themselves. Happy to say that in my eldest daughter’s year they organised a boycott of the dress code and deliberately wore what they weren’t supposed to wear. Also proud to say my daughter was one of the ringleaders. When the school got wind they threatened to exclude anyone who broke it and send them home, fortunately there was enough of them that they knocked that idea on the head. I don’t think they’ve issued a dress code for girls on non uniform day since.

I do agree with shmmeee about ensuring daughters know how to protect themselves and all that that entails. I was so proud of my younger daughters group of friends how they look out for one another and take care of one another.

 

[shmmeee]

Something I wasn’t aware of that my GF showed me the other day is a safety check thing on her phone that basically allows her to say what she’s doing (e.g. walking alone) and a check in time and if she doesn’t respond on her phone after that time it alerts people in her contacts along with her location. Seems a good balance between “women shouldn’t be out alone” and “women can do what they want with no worries about violent men”. Should be standardised and publicised IMO.

 

[skybluetony176]

WTAF! This wasn’t happening in the first place! Staggering.

Police forces ordered to check existing staff in same way they vet recruits

The order follows the serving Met Police officer David Carrick admitting to being a serial rapist.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Deleted member 9744]

WTAF! This wasn’t happening in the first place! Staggering.

Police forces ordered to check existing staff in same way they vet recruits

The order follows the serving Met Police officer David Carrick admitting to being a serial rapist.

www.bbc.co.uk

Seems amazing that it isn't standard practice. But this is the sort of 'regulation and red tape' that the Tories tend to oppose. And it's the sort of thing the public tend to oppose too (too much management and bureaucracy) until something goes wrong or comes to light.

 

[rob9872]

Seems amazing that it isn't standard practice. But this is the sort of 'regulation and red tape' that the Tories tend to oppose. And it's the sort of thing the public tend to oppose too (too much management and bureaucracy) until something goes wrong or comes to light.

This is a conplete police failing let's keep the politics bollocks to the other thread

 

[skybluetony176]

This is a conplete police failing let's keep the politics bollocks to the other thread

The instruction has been issued by the government while it reviews the whole process. This is absolutely politics related. If it isn’t then what’s the point of the government.

 

[rob9872]

Shock horror Tony is on the blame the government for everything bandwagon. Fk me you're boring.

 

[rob9872]

I'm sure SBD, PVA, NW & the usual suspects will all be along shortly to ad to the unrelated pile on.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I'm sure SBD, PVA, NW & the usual suspects will all be along shortly to ad to the unrelated pile on.

Eh? Where have I been in this thread recently?

Or is that what you're hoping for, secretly?

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Seems amazing that it isn't standard practice. But this is the sort of 'regulation and red tape' that the Tories tend to oppose. And it's the sort of thing the public tend to oppose too (too much management and bureaucracy) until something goes wrong or comes to light.

You do get the 'wasteful bureaucracy' and pen-pushers line designed to be the red rag that always gets the same response - wasteful, need to be more efficient - to take away from underfunding. They rarely mention that stuff like this is what that bureaucracy does, along with letting police officers actually get on with policing instead of sitting behind a desk writing reports.

 

[skybluetony176]

Shock horror Tony is on the blame the government for everything bandwagon. Fk me you're boring.

It’s clearly the fault of several governments that this most basic of checks hasn’t been happening all along. Happy now?

 

[Marty]

It’s clearly the fault of several governments that this most basic of checks hasn’t been happening all along. Happy now?

Businesses are just as bad, I was working with a convicted paedophile for a number of years, and it only came to light when his mugshot was on the telegraph site, once he was convicted for a second time for the same offence.

All those dirty perves should be locked away.

 

[SBT]

Something I wasn’t aware of that my GF showed me the other day is a safety check thing on her phone that basically allows her to say what she’s doing (e.g. walking alone) and a check in time and if she doesn’t respond on her phone after that time it alerts people in her contacts along with her location. Seems a good balance between “women shouldn’t be out alone” and “women can do what they want with no worries about violent men”. Should be standardised and publicised IMO.

It’s outrageous that it’s even necessary. Not sure having to rely on an app that tracks my movements and automatically alerts my contacts at all hours of the night would fit many people’s definition of “doing what they want with no worries”.

 

[skybluetony176]

Businesses are just as bad, I was working with a convicted paedophile for a number of years, and it only came to light when his mugshot was on the telegraph site, once he was convicted for a second time for the same offence.

All those dirty perves should be locked away.

A) they aren’t. See yesterday’s conversation about statistics. The Met on it’s own bucks the national average by 30+% on domestic abuse and sexual abuse.

B) the actual point is that the entity in charge of policing criminals doesn’t actually check it’s own database for the history of the people it employs to do that job.

C) businesses don’t have the same responsibility as the police for policing.

 

[Deleted member 9744]

This is a conplete police failing let's keep the politics bollocks to the other thread

It is a political issue.

We have a Government that is ideologically opposed to regulation and well resourced public services so these things will keep happening.

Since they came into power in 2012 they have abolished a number of regulators and watered down the vetting and barring provisions. They know that this is superficially popular with the electorate who call for more front line officers/professionals/health care workers without realising the impact of taking away management and regulation. If you don't have oversight this is the outcome.

The loss of all the EU protections will make this even worse of course.

 

[shmmeee]

It’s outrageous that it’s even necessary. Not sure having to rely on an app that tracks my movements and automatically alerts my contacts at all hours of the night would fit many people’s definition of “doing what they want with no worries”.

It is. And to be honest I think a lot of the worry is psychological rather than statistical so anything that makes women feel more comfortable doing something they might otherwise not is a win for me. It’s a fair point though.

 

[SBT]

It is. And to be honest I think a lot of the worry is psychological rather than statistical so anything that makes women feel more comfortable doing something they might otherwise not is a win for me. It’s a fair point though.

I mean, the app isn’t a bad idea per sé, but at some point the onus for tackling these crimes has to stop falling on the targets and start falling on the perpetrators and those who excuse their actions. It’s the same reason why more stab vests aren’t the solution for knife crime, or metal detectors aren’t the solution to school shootings.