Jamie Allen is Guilty of War Crimes (20 Viewers)

[Robinshio]

Well we did sign him 3 or 4 years ago to be fair

That game at Rotherham in League 1 he looked many years over the hill
He may be like Benjamin Button

 

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[fernandopartridge]

Well we did sign him 3 or 4 years ago to be fair

...and to be fair he's improved as a player in every season.

I don't know how much truth there is in the idea that as he was a relatively late starter to full-time / professional football (2010 I assume when he signed for Crawley at 23) means that his football age or mileage is probably a bit lower than your average 36 year old. He's never been quick anyway so even if he's lost a bit of speed it's offset by the speed in the head gained by experience.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

...and to be fair he's improved as a player in every season.

I don't know how much truth there is in the idea that as he was a relatively late starter to full-time / professional football (2010 I assume when he signed for Crawley at 23) means that his football age or mileage is probably a bit lower than your average 36 year old. He's never been quick anyway so even if he's lost a bit of speed it's offset by the speed in the head gained by experience.

I remember reading an interview with Paul Power who suggested similar when he was in Everton's title winning season.

Mind you, he retired the following season at the age of 34!

 

[Evo1883]

Fadz was also quite instrumental in our league 1 season

 

[olderskyblue]

Allen is vital to the way we play, and easily deserves his place in the team. We’d all like a better player in there instead, but we don’t have one at the club…

Hamer’s passing in the first half against Hudds was dreadful, and that was actually mostly short simple passes, same for Sheaf, yet fans pick up on Allen’s passing, even though the stats show it was the best of the lot. Weird.

 

[clint van damme]

If running is what he's in there for, maybe we should just get a professional runner.
I though footballers were supposed to be able to play a bit.

Are you serious?
The current EPL leaders wont entertain taking on a player unless they're a good athlete.
Not sure how some people can't quite grasp the importance of running to the game!

 

[clint van damme]

Seems to be you are either Team Allen or Team Palmer atm. I don't have a massive problem with either whilst also hoping we can improve to a point that they are considered to be more squad players.

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Both are fine for a mid table championship side.
If we really want to have a go at the play offs we'll need an upgrade but upgrading them alone won't be enough.

 

[fatso]

I like Fadz and he has done well this season but at 37 in a couple of weeks there is no way he would walk into a top 6 teams starting line up, I don't believe Bidwell would either.

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And yet ironically, had he not got injured, he could be at a top 6 club right now.

 

[fatso]

Are you serious?
The current EPL leaders wont entertain taking on a player unless they're a good athlete.
Not sure how some people can't quite grasp the importance of running to the game!

You've just said it yourself, a good player AND an athletes, Allen is not a good player.

Yes he runs around a lot and covers a lot of ground, but so does a blind dog running after a tennis ball.

 

[clint van damme]

And yet ironically, had he not got injured, he could be at a top 6 club right now.

What, with Jamie Allen in it?!

 

[clint van damme]

You've just said it yourself, a good player and an athletes, Allen is not a good player.

He's good enough for us at the moment.
Nonsense to say otherwise.

 

[fatso]

What, with Jamie Allen in it?!

Despite, not with.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Despite, not with.

OK, put Kasey Palmer as one of the three then

 

[Jamesimus]

tbf, such a team would be dominated in the air.

The three centre backs would be two Jamie Allen's stacked on top of each other, to make it fair.

 

[fernandopartridge]

tbf, such a team would be dominated in the air.

Allen in keeping with his war criminal status has a stock of surface to air missiles so no problems there

 

[WestEndAgro]

I've been critical at times, and he's clearly limited, some strengths but not enough to be a "stand out"..
He's done ok but nothing more.

 

[Nick]

Jamie

Are you serious?
The current EPL leaders wont entertain taking on a player unless they're a good athlete.
Not sure how some people can't quite grasp the importance of running to the game!

Bring Bright back.

 

[procdoc]

Mainly the bit when it's suggested that he isn't a waste of space.

I've been consistent in that, throughout his time here, he was in the bomb squad at one time, and imo should of stayed there.
He's the only consistent choice that MR picks that absolutely baffles me.

you are without doubt absolutely fucking clueless.

 

[Jamesimus]

You've just said it yourself, a good player AND an athletes, Allen is not a good player.

He didn't say that. He said "good athlete", which is different.

 

[shmmeee]

His great great great great great great great great great grandfather was an antelope?

No he was a Chevrolet

 

[shmmeee]

Are you serious?
The current EPL leaders wont entertain taking on a player unless they're a good athlete.
Not sure how some people can't quite grasp the importance of running to the game!

Its not the be all and end all though! You have to be able to actually do something with a football as well.

 

[fatso]

Its not the be all and end all though! You have to be able to actually do something with a football as well.

Not according to some on here it would appear.

 

[Samo]

No he was a Chevrolet

A Chevrolet called Vlad? Now your'e just being silly.

 

[CCFCSteve]

Not even the first Jamie allen to come up when googled, get rid

Ps agree with the crux of NWs post. Like a couple of others he’s the one that fans pick on when there’s plenty of others that perform worse….also see Bidwell, Dabo, Eccles etc. They’ll see the one or two bad things but miss the good. You need a mix of players in a team and certain ones will be integral to the system even if they aren’t necessarily stand out individuals. Allen’s been one of those this season even though a couple of his recent performances haven’t been quite up to his level pre World Cup break…same as most !

 

[clint van damme]

Its not the be all and end all though! You have to be able to actually do something with a football as well.

Of course, but they put a massive emphasis on athleticism.

 

[Evo1883]

Its not the be all and end all though! You have to be able to actually do something with a football as well.

What do you think jamie allen should be doing , you keep saying this , it's a meaningless thing to say without context

 

[shmmeee]

Of course, but they put a massive emphasis on athleticism.

But strength, speed and skill are all parts of athleticism, not just stamina.

 

[shmmeee]

What do you think jamie allen should be doing , you keep saying this , it's a meaningless thing to say without context

Impacting the game. Not fluffing shots and breaking down attacks. Winning the ball, creating goals, beating men, anything that involves touching the football that the other players all do.

He’s a nothing midfielder, the sort that would poodle about in a Phil Neale or Amy Thorn team doing not much but making safe passes. He’s not an AM by any stretch of the imagination.

 

[Evo1883]

Impacting the game. Not fluffing shots and breaking down attacks. Winning the ball, creating goals, beating men, anything that involves touching the football that the other players all do.

So who in our team should he be doing it like?

 

[shmmeee]

So who in our team should he be doing it like?

In his position? O’Hare or Palmer.

 

[Evo1883]

In his position? O’Hare or Palmer.

Which one is allen and which one is palmer , per 90

 

[shmmeee]

Which one is allen and which one is palmer , per 90 View attachment 28275

Palmer is on the right. Actually tries to make things happen. Allen’s forward passing percentage is by far the worse of all our midfielders.

Also Allen has played 91% of all minutes, Palmer 54%. We’re only just starting to see the best of Palmer now he’s having a run of games.

 

[Evo1883]

Palmer is on the right. Actually tries to make things happen. Allen’s forward passing percentage is by far the worse of all our midfielders.

I think what I'm getting at is he offers something to the team , with the football at his feet . The stats show he does things better than others ..is he amazing ? No

But to suggest he's a nothing midfielder is a pretty shit take

You can't build a team full of flair , normally it doesn't work

 

[shmmeee]

I think what I'm getting at is he offers something to the team , with the football at his feet . The stats show he does things better than others ..is he amazing ? No

But to suggest he's a nothing midfielder is a pretty shit take

What does he do? I don’t want my AMs to have high pass completion, I want them trying to split defences. Forwards generally have some of the lowest in the side because of that. He doesn’t win the ball, even by your stats he’s 0.5 recoveries ahead of Palmer who is apparently lazy and never presses.

Would he make it into your first XI if we rebuild in the summer?

 

[Evo1883]

What does he do? I don’t want my AMs to have high pass completion, I want them trying to split defences. Forwards generally have some of the lowest in the side because of that. He doesn’t win the ball, even by your stats he’s 0.5 recoveries ahead of Palmer who is apparently lazy and never presses.

Would he make it into your first XI if we rebuild in the summer?

No , but it doesn't mean he's a shit footballer , we need a squad