Roald Dahl books (1 Viewer)

[Deleted member 5849]

If you feel you have to put a warning on them somewhere saying at the time of writing some of the language was culturally acceptable then do

Like the Tipper Gore inspired warning about bad language on rock albums... that meant even bands without bad language on their albums insisted on the warning sticker, as it made them look cool?

 

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[Nick]

I personally think that any history that people don't like should be instantly erased forever. Hitler was a horrible man, we should pretend it never happened.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

If you feel you have to put a warning on them somewhere saying at the time of writing some of the language was culturally acceptable then do but don’t rewrite them. They do something similar with Only Fools and Horses re-runs. It’s not acceptable today to refer to a corner shop in a manner it was regularly referred to in the 70’s and 80’s due to the owners origins for example, as Del Boy often does in Only Fools and Horses. Even though a lot of the owners were in fact from India not its neighbouring country.

For me it’s educational, it’s social commentary, it’s a measure of how far (the majority of us at least) have come in reshaping attitudes for the better. Writing out history is dangerous, whether that be a character’s name in a book or getting upset that the National Trust tells you where the money came from to build certain buildings, stately homes etc. Both left and right want to do it and it’s dangerous regardless of which “side” is doing it.

Or when they edited out some of the Major’s lines in Fawlty Towers, missing out the entire point that his character is a parody.

 

[David O'Day]

it's weird you folk getting upset over something the Dahl family are sound with

strange folk need to be angry at something

 

[skybluetony176]

I personally think that any history that people don't like should be instantly erased forever. Hitler was a horrible man, we should pretend it never happened.

That’s kind of the point. In Germany they don’t shy away from education on the atrocities committed by Nazi Germany, think it’s still part of the curriculum in Germany. One of the reasons they’re so apologetic about it. I’m watching a travelogue of a Dutch woman who motorcycling around the world. Currently on the period she was in South Africa, she isn’t shying away from Netherlands involvement in South Africa and is constantly apologising, especially it’s involvement in the diamond mining history. Try mentioning the Boer war in this country and the atrocities we committed and the right lose their shit, you get someone like Rees-Mogg on question time doing cartwheels in his head to deny and water down what we did.

Erasing or rewriting history is dangerous, you can’t learn anything from it.

 

[Nick]

it's weird you folk getting upset over something the Dahl family are sound with

strange folk need to be angry at something

Ironic.

 

[David O'Day]

Ironic.

hi alanis, still not figured out what irony is yet then

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

Ironic.

In the extreme.

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

it's weird you folk getting upset over something the Dahl family are sound with

strange folk need to be angry at something

But you chose Gerry Adams as your hero.

 

[shmmeee]

I think it’s ridiculous, especially as new offences have been introduced. Changing Cashier to Top Scientist for example, I see the aim but there’s nothing wrong with being a cashier. Similarly no reason to make Mathilda read Jane Austin just because she’s a girl. The witches wig bit is ludicrous as well.

It’s their IP and they can do what they want, but I’d like to see them sell both copies clearly labelled for a bit just to see which sells best. I know what my money is on.

 

[Grendel]

Or when they edited out some of the Major’s lines in Fawlty Towers, missing out the entire point that his character is a parody.

Same as Alf Garnett which was a send to character

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

I don’t think they’re running around burning old editions of Matilda, you’ll be perfectly able to read the version you want.

I suppose you could impose some sort of rule that would prevent any work of fiction from ever being edited or updated. I’m just not that keen to restrict free speech like that.

Is it " updating " ?

Same as Alf Garnett which was a send to character

......and then there's Love thy Neighbour ! Who always came out on top at the end of each episode ? A fact often missed amongst the choice language .

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

it's weird you folk getting upset over something the Dahl family are sound with

strange folk need to be angry at something

Don’t think the man himself would be.

 

[Terry_dactyl]

It seems Roald Dahl himself changed his original works due to his concerns about the potential racist depiction of the Oompa Lumpas.

 

[Grendel]

It seems Roald Dahl himself changed his original works due to his concerns about the potential racist depiction of the Oompa Lumpas.

he was very racist so I doubt that!

 

[rob9872]

That’s kind of the point. In Germany they don’t shy away from education on the atrocities committed by Nazi Germany, think it’s still part of the curriculum in Germany. One of the reasons they’re so apologetic about it. I’m watching a travelogue of a Dutch woman who motorcycling around the world. Currently on the period she was in South Africa, she isn’t shying away from Netherlands involvement in South Africa and is constantly apologising, especially it’s involvement in the diamond mining history. Try mentioning the Boer war in this country and the atrocities we committed and the right lose their shit, you get someone like Rees-Mogg on question time doing cartwheels in his head to deny and water down what we did.

Erasing or rewriting history is dangerous, you can’t learn anything from it.

Ffs Tony, only you could see this as an opportunity to shoehorn in something about JRM on a footie forum. Quite a skill you have there

 

[Nick]

Is it " updating " ?

......and then there's Love thy Neighbour ! Who always came out on top at the end of each episode ? A fact often missed amongst the choice language .

That's because people don't get context.

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

The oompaloompas are now " small people" rather than the highly offensive "small men"

Really ?

 

[Terry_dactyl]

he was very racist so I doubt that!

Maybe he just wanted to sell more books…

 

[Grendel]

Like the Tipper Gore inspired warning about bad language on rock albums... that meant even bands without bad language on their albums insisted on the warning sticker, as it made them look cool?

Are there actually age restrictions on books at all?

 

[rob9872]

Are there actually age restrictions on books at all?

I think Razzle is still 18+

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Are there actually age restrictions on books at all?

I think they tried with American Psycho.

 

[clint van damme]

I think they tried with American Psycho.

Not surprised!

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Not surprised!

As you said before, the film is better than the book-and probably less X rated

 

[richnrg]

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it should be "mum's"

 

[shmmeee]

See they’re now releasing the originals as well. Whining on the internet works people!

 

[TomRad85]

See they’re now releasing the originals as well. Whining on the internet works people!

Clearly marked as 'original edition' and 'little bitch edition' I hope.

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[chiefdave]

See they’re now releasing the originals as well. Whining on the internet works people!

Almost like it was all a big marketing stunt

 

[fernandopartridge]

See they’re now releasing the originals as well. Whining on the internet works people!

Told it was a marketing campaign

 

[fernandopartridge]

Anyway, I've just heard they're after Scorcese's back catalogue now, trying to tone it down for the woke brigade

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

If it were me I'd be using it as a marketing ploy. Make these changes but then soon after reprint them with the original texts. Could see them sell quite a few original texts afterwards as people make a 'protest' and to show their feeling.

 

[tisza]

always a slippery slope for me. Literature, the Arts etc need to be taken in the context of the times in which they were created. Artists accused of fat shaming in female portraits from 200/300 years when in fact they were a celebration of what was considered the epitome of beauty at the time another example.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Ohhhh you’re hard, showing off ‘cos…

 

[SBT]

Told it was a marketing campaign

Sounds a bit too Nathan For You to be real…

 

[clint van damme]

That damaged Koran malarkey in Wakefield is a bit disturbing as well.
Death threats to a 14 year old autistic boy?
They should find the culprits and jail them.