David O'Day
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let them eat turnips
Do you want to discuss boring politics? (19 Viewers)
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let them eat turnips
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Twisting his words? he says it's on the list, and is happy to confirm it and indeed has! The difference is Steve may be worryingly righty at times, but he does at least have a brain, and is aware of what words are...
You're worse than Private Pike and Captain Mainwaring!
Just accept it's on the list, back down eh, accept that you can be wrong. It's a fine quality to have. While you're at it, apologise for ganging up on me when all I'm doing is trying to say the Truth.
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fernandopartridge
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How you can come on here and pontificate on voting when you didn't even bother at the last General Election god only knows
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Don't start on his voting history ffs!
Grendel
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skybluetony176
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clint van damme
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What??!! He didn't vote? The fella who's telling everyone they have to vote for Starmer to stop the tories? Haha!
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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Because it is an easy go-to blame that most people won't challenge. It isn't just companies like this though, see the port of Dover, Eurostar etc. They've been coming out with loads of shit which I can say is categorically untrue based on my countless times travelling through/with them. A perfect front for poor mismanagement.
As another poster has said, there are many genuine reasons to criticise Brexit, but it frequently goes completely overboard (no pun intended).
fernandopartridge
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How many times have you travelled with Sainsburys?
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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If they set up a service, they would probably be more efficient than Eurostar. Even Grendel's taxi company could achieve that.
Astute
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He even pulled you up for misquoting him and saying at the very bottom of the list as in slightest affect. You came out with quoting him totally differently.
One person quoting another coming out with bullshit is ganging up? Yeah OK.
Will leave you to your fantasies
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Are you alright?
Astute
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I am now but had enough of this Brexit bullshit.
If anyone knows how shit it is it is me. To keep our dream alive my wife had to move to France with the three youngest in 2019. Then Covid hit. There was 14 months my children couldn't see me. Then we found out my wife had cancer. Then Brexit stopped me from being with my wife through her treatment. These are just the standout points.
And the odd few who push everything they can to be the fault of Brexit piss me off. Just like those who deny Brexit has caused major problems do whenever they get the chance. It has been one massive total fuckup.
I know lots of people who have been split up and worse because of it. The whole thing is a joke.
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Firstly, very sorry to hear about your wife.
Secondly, and I mean this in the nicest possible way, has the stress maybe got to you a little, so you can't see things clearly?
Astute
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Everyone should vote for Starmer? Here we go again.
I have said since before he git the position that I see him as our best chance. I still do. But he is only the best out of a very bad bunch. And that includes all parties. Or would you like to quote me with what your statement says?
Astute
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I see things very clearly. I see things from both sides as well as from the French side. A friend of mine who is French told me he is glad they will never get the choice. Says the EU is as corrupt as the French government. But they are better off in than out.
The arguing has split families down the middle. It is shocking that it was allowed to happen. But who am I to disagree with the result?
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You don't, you're muddling people into a general, you're ascribing things to people they haven't said, and you're collecting people together in a paranoid delusion that they're ganging up on you. I can certainly say that is not the case! Everybody here has their own view and sometimes it coincides with others, and sometimes it doesn't. Even by the standards of this board (and wwe've all managed our moments!) it's... unusual.
I'm guessing at the time you were happy with it though? Just not expecting how it came to be further down the line?
shmmeee
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Do you import a lot when you’re travelling?
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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I think you've missed the point mate. Or, like the other poster, make some attempt at a joke rather than address where I was coming from.
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Amsterdam?
shmmeee
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I may have. I thought you were saying because you’d travelled to Europe concerns about goods import issues weren’t valid. Why has this poor management just so happened to coincide with us leaving the EU?
I mean it’s hardly surprising that you leave a customs Union and supply chains suffer.
Astute
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Look at how many times I ask those to quote what they imply I have said. It is constant.
Not happy now and never have been.
What I do remember before the vote was being asked what could be good about leaving. I gave a list including not enough housing for those who have already come to live in the UK. Also the NHS couldn't cope and would get worse....which it has. The roads are always full. In France I set my cruise control at 81mph. I rarely have to turn it off. But does all this make me a Brexiteer?
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tbf... have you seen the government we have? Not sure what they'd be able to manage, Brexit or no!
shmmeee
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But France is in the EU? And the NHS has declined since we left? All of these related to immigration which IIRC has gone up post Brexit.
shmmeee
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Well to be pedantic, they’re only in power because of Brexit. Any normal time and half these jokers wouldn’t be anywhere near cabinet.
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You said you were voting leave for your younger children, and that you wanted out of the EU. That's why I think you voted leave!!!
There's nothing wrong with changing your mind(!)
Astute
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They are much better now but we're a nightmare previously. I once saw a 12 mile tailback of parked up lorries waiting to cross. These days it nearly always runs smoothly.
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They are, and Brexit can cause the government that causes this issue, but not be the cause of this issue (if that makes sense!). Anyway, we've all agreed that Brexit is on the list of causes, so all's well in the world and we can go back to some proper politics again!
Astute
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IIRC was asked why anyone would vote leave. My point was for my children. At one stage I had a wobble and got pissed off about everything but it didn't last long.
I still fear for the youth of today. Properties are getting more expensive and there seems no end to it. Too many people chasing too few properties. Not owning your home leaves you with a poor retirement however much your income is. And no government for as long as I can remember has done anything about it.
shmmeee
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It’s not rocket science. Build more houses and use the state to build them. Private developers have pretty consistently completed something like 400k/year for decades. Clearly there’s no much more capacity there. The drop came when local authorities stopped building, so start that up again. Hopefully Labour see through their plans there.
skybluetony176
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Desmond Swayne adamant that it’s nothing to do with brexit and everything to do with extreme weather in Morocco. Unfortunately he’s just turned down another path he’s in denial about. Climate change. Due to its geographical location Morocco is one of the most susceptible countries in the world to the effects of climate change. Got a feeling that there’s a few high profile brexiteers that will follow him down that path. Being a brexiteer and climate change denier often go hand in hand.
Astute
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Illegal immigration has gone up.
I remember the pre Brexit immigration numbers. I put them at between 2 and 3 million. Got told I was an idiot. Maybe I am an idiot. Turned out it was close to 4 million who needed the right to stay.
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No, you said very specifically "I want out of the EU" and "the main reason I am voting leave is for my younger children." There is no equivocation to be had!